Are we giving up on Kaberle too fast?

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    Are we giving up on Kaberle too fast?

    He's the popular whipping boy right now, just as Horton was a few months ago.  Granted, Kaberle has less time to make us believers, but can he up his game and become a factor - starting TONIGHT??  Come on Tomas, you may never be this close to a cup again!
     
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    Horton's issue was always effort, which is something that really sticks in the craw of a hard-working fan base. We want to see our teams compete hard win or lose. Once Horton raised his compete level, the fans got behind him.


    Kaberle is different. Just doesn't seem like the talent is there, which makes it easy to shrug our shoulders and say it's time to move on.

    I don't think anyone WANTS to see him struggle. Just calling it like it is. A proud New England tradition.
     
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    Horton's issue was always effort, which is something that really sticks in the craw of a hard-working fan base. We want to see our teams compete hard win or lose. Once Horton raised his compete level, the fans got behind him. Kaberle is different. Just doesn't seem like the talent is there, which makes it easy to shrug our shoulders and say it's time to move on. I don't think anyone WANTS to see him struggle. Just calling it like it is. A proud New England tradition.
    Posted by asmaha

    Asmaha, I disagree that effort was ever a problem during Horton's time as a Bruin.Like Horton, Kaberle could win over the fan base with a few timely points. The Bruins fan base has a serious case of the "what have you done for me lately" mentality.
     
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    Horton was on fire after the first 10gms think he was scoring at greater than  a 50goals pace. Kaberle has done nothing since he got here.

    Things I remember Kaberle doing

    Weakly turning the puck over behind the net GM1 MTL

    Cross Ice Laser to set off Ryder for a goal GM3(4?) MTL

    Weakly Turning the puck over behind the net GM1 TBL

    AFAIK he didnt even play vs philly. I think that he has the talent but right now he's not mentally or physically there. He looks out of shape and intimidated most nights. If signed and made to workout with Chara all summer we'd see a much improved Kabs next year. Its just a question of whether or not he plays himself out of a contract. At this point i'd say maybe he has.

     
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    Horton was on fire after the first 10gms think he was scoring at greater than  a 50goals pace. Kaberle has done nothing since he got here. Things I remember Kaberle doing Weakly turning the puck over behind the net GM1 MTL Cross Ice Laser to set off Ryder for a goal GM3(4?) MTL Weakly Turning the puck over behind the net GM1 TBL AFAIK he didnt even play vs philly. I think that he has the talent but right now he's not mentally or physically there. He looks out of shape and intimidated most nights. If signed and made to workout with Chara all summer we'd see a much improved Kabs next year. Its just a question of whether or not he plays himself out of a contract. At this point i'd say maybe he has.
    Posted by I-Like-Hockey

    I suspect you might change your mind if he has 2 or more points in tonight's game.
     
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    No intensity....lazy D to D to get rid of the puck....slow skater....won't stop/ reverse if he can glide....weak shot....dislikes board work....seems to want the season to end...

    Back to TO next year, or wherever....Let him go.
     
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    Dez - I meant that when fans were getting down on Horton, the whole "laziness" and "he has a history of disengaging' nonsense came out. I personally don't think he had a lack of effort, I was more saying that's what the perception was. You and I know the real thing was point production and it cured all ills when he started scoring again. On that point you're dead right.
     
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    He's the popular whipping boy right now, just as Horton was a few months ago.  Granted, Kaberle has less time to make us believers, but can he up his game and become a factor - starting TONIGHT??  Come on Tomas, you may never be this close to a cup again!
    Posted by hangnail


    I don't think anybody's giving up on him.  From the team perspective they have tried coddling him as much as possible.  That technique did not work.  Now you try to shame him into better play through public calls for accountability.  I'm sure from the inside there have been far more variations on the attempts to motivate him, from the outside these are the two obvious and visible methods that we can see.
     
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    An enigma to me. Cannot understand why Chiarelli has been so sold for so long. He is a slower skater than expected; he is not noted for his checking capability; His passes are usually good; He doesn't really shoot; but, Savvy was usually a pass first for a score, and Kabs doesn't have that same game; he obviously doesn't fit into Julien's "system" very well. Why is that, if he is so experienced?? Has he performed better than Kamfer?? Too many questions so far.
     
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    In Response to Re: Are we giving up on Kaberle too fast? : I suspect you might change your mind if he has 2 or more points in tonight's game.
    Posted by dezaruchi



    Maybe I will. If its a turning point and not just a flash in the pan(ahem Ryder), the last thing this team needs is to have another player who plays well only once every 15-20gms.

    The "what have you done for me lately" thing doesnt work with Kaberle either, its more like "what have you ever done as a bruin" I know its a small sample size but he has not done much. No wonder people are down on him.
     
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    I haven't given up on Kabby. I have noticed when Kaberle wants to rush the puck he finds himself alone cause the Bruins forwards have gone for a change. I feel that if Kaberle can get it going he will help us out in crunch time. I also believe the time is now to pair him up with Chara and give him the green light to push the offence. We have 3 nice pairs Chara/Kaberle, Siedenberg/Boychuck, and Ference/McQuaid.

    We have not seen Kabs's best yet and hopefully it comes at the right time. The Bruins need his help if they are going to win the Cup.

    PS maybe try Campbell on the PP cause nothing else is working.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKNWQ0LNdqM

    I love that goal.
     
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    Dez - I meant that when fans were getting down on Horton, the whole "laziness" and "he has a history of disengaging' nonsense came out. I personally don't think he had a lack of effort, I was more saying that's what the perception was. You and I know the real thing was point production and it cured all ills when he started scoring again. On that point you're dead right.
    Posted by asmaha


    To be fair to Horton, if I were a young millionaire living in Florida and playing for a horrible team that no one cares about, my effort might be a little lackluster too so his history of disengaging is understandable to a point.

    I think Horton now "gets it" about the need for conistency in effort. He has been doing very well up to this point in the playoffs.

    As for Kaberle, well it might be either a case of him being past his prime or an inability to adjust to a new setting considering he did play for Toronto for the better part of a decade. Either way, however, he is in for a major dissapointment come July 1 when his UFA offers will be  less then kind...
     
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    Kaberle's performance on the ice speaks for itself. He is what he is & I never had high hopes for him in Boston. Never did like the idea of trading for him. To say the least he has been a huge bust. I think all the heat he is taking for his play is very justifiable. P.C. gave up way too much for this guy. Brian Burke made out like a bandit on this one! Will P.C. cut his losses & let him walk as a ufa at the end of the season?
     
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    Kaberle has reached a new level of suckatude.  He's worse than Wideman and has definately played himself out of a contract.  God, I hope he has.

    Dez, he could make stretch pass to Ryder every game from here on in and still be a huge liability on the backend.  And, since when did you become the expert on Boston's fanbase?  That was a good one.

    I think they should scratch Kaberle, dress 5 defensemen and give Seguin a regular shift.  His offensive ability far out-weighs both Kaberle's offensive and defensive capabilities, combined.
     
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    Horton's issue was always effort, which is something that really sticks in the craw of a hard-working fan base. We want to see our teams compete hard win or lose. Once Horton raised his compete level, the fans got behind him. Kaberle is different. Just doesn't seem like the talent is there, which makes it easy to shrug our shoulders and say it's time to move on. I don't think anyone WANTS to see him struggle. Just calling it like it is. A proud New England tradition.
    Posted by asmaha


    asmaha i disagree with horton not giving effort issue. that's the one thing i thought he has always brought this year. i thought that he received alot of flack from bruins because of the lack of scoring over a long period of time during the season. he was hot early and didn't really get back on track until after the all-star break.
    kaberle i have given up. what a bust. and like 98% of bruins fans i wanted chiarelli to make the move. the body of work is there too if he still manages to pass the eye test on some bruins fans. 36 games 1 goal 11 assists for 12 points and a plus +9. he has been awful. its a shame to cause think of what juggernaut this team would be if this guy came as advertised? but i honestly hope he can turn it around like shupe and dez tell me cause i am fully prepared to apologize for being wrong but there isn't much time left. as far as a contract with the bruins goes there is not way i don't care if a labodimey is done were his brain is put into charas body. kaberle is just not that player anymore. slow disinterested and doesn't like to go into the dirty areas. chiarelli will pass.
     
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    To answer the question, yes.  Kaberle is the second-most prolific Defenseman scorer in the NHL post-lockout.  He is not fast, he is not physical, but he is good.  He is also, contrary to what seems to be public opinion, not bad defensively.  He is plus-6 in the playoffs, and plus for his career despite playing most years for a dismal defensive team and despite getting most of his points on the pp.  You can be unhappy with his production, you can not like his style, but to say he is a bad player or lacking in talent is not correct.  You can't score more points than anyone but Lidstrom without talent.  I think he has been fine but not outstanding.  I tend to blame his adjustment from Toronto to a real team, a lack of finish from teamates, somewhat weak strategy from Geoff Ward and bad luck for Kab's lack of numbers.  The situation reminds me a lot of Larry Murphy in Toronto being the whipping boy, fans saying he was too slow, then getting traded to Detroit and being a key piece of two cups.  As long as the fans don't start booing Thomas K, I think he'll deliver some key moments.  He already has.
     
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    No intensity....lazy D to D to get rid of the puck....slow skater....won't stop/ reverse if he can glide....weak shot....dislikes board work....seems to want the season to end... Back to TO next year, or wherever....Let him go.
    Posted by CarolinaClamMan


    Skating and passing is Kaberle's game.  He is a great skater!!  The rest I agree with.  He has not played well and lacks the intensity needed for play-off hockey.  That could be because he played for the Laffs.  Play-offs, you're talking play-offs!!!?  Not in Toronto, so he has not seen the play-offs since 2004. 
     
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    To answer the question, yes.  Kaberle is the second-most prolific Defenseman scorer in the NHL post-lockout.  He is not fast, he is not physical, but he is good.  He is also, contrary to what seems to be public opinion, not bad defensively.  He is plus-6 in the playoffs, and plus for his career despite playing most years for a dismal defensive team and despite getting most of his points on the pp.  You can be unhappy with his production, you can not like his style, but to say he is a bad player or lacking in talent is not correct.  You can't score more points than anyone but Lidstrom without talent.  I think he has been fine but not outstanding.  I tend to blame his adjustment from Toronto to a real team, a lack of finish from teamates, somewhat weak strategy from Geoff Ward and bad luck for Kab's lack of numbers.  The situation reminds me a lot of Larry Murphy in Toronto being the whipping boy, fans saying he was too slow, then getting traded to Detroit and being a key piece of two cups.  As long as the fans don't start booing Thomas K, I think he'll deliver some key moments.  He already has.
    Posted by OatesCam


    Plus, who would the B's replace him with in the line-up? Hnidy is their first option and he can barely play 4 minutes a game plus there is no way he will be quarterbacking the PP. Kaberle will play. Let's hope Ward finally figures out a way to use him more effectively....
     
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    He's the popular whipping boy right now, just as Horton was a few months ago.  Granted, Kaberle has less time to make us believers, but can he up his game and become a factor - starting TONIGHT??  Come on Tomas, you may never be this close to a cup again!
    Posted by hangnail



    He has had 3 good games (his first 3) since he arrived.  How long do you think it should take to judge whether or not he is a fit here?  He is definatly not worth resigning.
     
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    In Response to Are we giving up on Kaberle too fast? : He has had 3 good games (his first 3) since he arrived.  How long do you think it should take to judge whether or not he is a fit here?  He is definatly not worth resigning.
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    I didn't say anything about resigning him.  My point was I think he can be better - I'm still waiting for him to show me something.  When is that going to happen, if ever?  I'd like it to start tonight.
     
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    He's the popular whipping boy right now, just as Horton was a few months ago.  Granted, Kaberle has less time to make us believers, but can he up his game and become a factor - starting TONIGHT??  Come on Tomas, you may never be this close to a cup again!
    Posted by hangnail


    In 36 games with the Bruins 12 points ...with is a .3 pts per game = for a 82 games season ....a big 27 points ....WOW ...I would ship him to Russia with a free ticket one way only ....in the KHL ...

    Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011-2012-2013
    Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011-2012-2013
    Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011-2012-2013




     
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    Ya know. I'm one to always give one a chance as i did toward everyone on this team. I was fired up when we got kaberle, allot of others were saying not good blah blah but i was like you know he on a new team, gotta give guy a chance to adapt. kelly and peverly has some what adapt more than kaberle. I mean i don't know what could get you this more fired up than being in the eastern conf. play off game one step away from the cup. So for that alone, makes me to start to turn my back on kaberle. If kamper was ready, i'd be one for having him in kaberle place. If kaberle goes back to TO next year, this whole thing, trade was a set up on their end to get back at us for the first round draft pick. whoknows.

    go bruins.
     
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    I don't think we are giving up on Kaberle too fast.  He was a softy in Toronto, who's fan base always criticized him for his lack of defensive ability.  As far as his offensive production, I think he is on the downhill.  He has done nothing but hurt the powerplay even more.  The opposing team is backing off of him giving him the shot, which then allows them to clog more passing lanes, block shots, and clear the puck with ease.  For someone who was an allstar at points in his career to lose confidence and perform so poorly is pretty ridiculous, I just think he has lost it.  He looks timid and scared out there.  I think it was more a man crush thing on him than him ever really being "great"  he was good in his prime, not great.  He was overrated by everybody in the league except the people in toronto. 
     
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      I think he has been fine but not outstanding.  I tend to blame his adjustment from Toronto to a real team, a lack of finish from teamates, somewhat weak strategy from Geoff Ward and bad luck for Kab's lack of numbers.  The situation reminds me a lot of Larry Murphy in Toronto being the whipping boy, fans saying he was too slow, then getting traded to Detroit and being a key piece of two cups.  Posted by OatesCam


    Really good post OC and why I haven't over reacted to Kaberle's few gaffs. At this point I don't care if Tomas is resigned the gamble is worth it because of what Chiarelli already has in picks. Kaberle can only go up in play now I have a feeling he will.
     
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    I know what I've said before , and I know what happened last game but as long as the Bruins stay in the play off this year I won't give up on Kaberle. He just needs to believe in himself.
     
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