Jesus... at this point in his career what idiot GM (aside from Holmgren) is going to pay him that kind of cash, especially long-term? I like PK's play, but this makes me think his ego could eclipse the moon.
He thinks he's twice as valuable as Dennis Seidenberg? Seriously? Maybe someday, but certainly not yet.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414354

Although I still think it unlikely, the door is open for a trade. Being MTL-BOS, it would never happen. Forget all that....for you armchair GMs out there, what would you honestly trade for PK, and what contract would you offer if you were PC?

Jesus... at this point in his career what idiot GM (aside from Holmgren) is going to pay him that kind of cash, especially long-term? I like PK's play, but this makes me think his ego could eclipse the moon.
He thinks he's twice as valuable as Dennis Seidenberg? Seriously? Maybe someday, but certainly not yet.

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Jesus... at this point in his career what idiot GM (aside from Holmgren) is going to pay him that kind of cash, especially long-term? I like PK's play, but this makes me think his ego could eclipse the moon.
He thinks he's twice as valuable as Dennis Seidenberg? Seriously? Maybe someday, but certainly not yet.

You cant compare what Seidz makes with what PK is gonna get.  I love Seidz and believe he was the most important piece of the puzzle to the cup.  His play is so steady it makes me smile.  If you look at what some guys are making compared to Seidz its really an injustice.  

But you cant compare.  Montreal is chanting his name.  He is great for that franchise bc he is an absolute perfect fit.  If he wants 6 at 6 I would do it.  As an armchair GM I am all over getting him signed.  They didnt make the playoffs last year and Montreal fans wont accept that.  Montreal fans are annoying but they probably are the most pationate fans I have ever seen.  Go for a drive in Montreal if you dont believe me.  PK is a god there for them.  Price and PK. 

Now, if PK were smart he would ink a 2 year deal.  then really stick it to them in 2 years after his play continues to rise.  23 folks.  Most dmen dont win norris trophies until mid to late 20s   he's on pace for a great career.  Athletic build, confident, all star skill.  I'm sorry, I may be way off, but this kid is the real deal. 

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Jesus... at this point in his career what idiot GM (aside from Holmgren) is going to pay him that kind of cash, especially long-term? I like PK's play, but this makes me think his ego could eclipse the moon.
He thinks he's twice as valuable as Dennis Seidenberg? Seriously? Maybe someday, but certainly not yet.

You cant compare what Seidz makes with what PK is gonna get.  I love Seidz and believe he was the most important piece of the puzzle to the cup.  His play is so steady it makes me smile.  If you look at what some guys are making compared to Seidz its really an injustice.  

But you cant compare.  Montreal is chanting his name.  He is great for that franchise bc he is an absolute perfect fit.  If he wants 6 at 6 I would do it.  As an armchair GM I am all over getting him signed.  They didnt make the playoffs last year and Montreal fans wont accept that.  Montreal fans are annoying but they probably are the most pationate fans I have ever seen.  Go for a drive in Montreal if you dont believe me.  PK is a god there for them.  Price and PK. 

Now, if PK were smart he would ink a 2 year deal.  then really stick it to them in 2 years after his play continues to rise.  23 folks.  Most dmen dont win norris trophies until mid to late 20s   he's on pace for a great career.  Athletic build, confident, all star skill.  I'm sorry, I may be way off, but this kid is the real deal. 

Go back and read my threads about him. Been saying the same thing since he entered the league. He's perfect for Montreal. He skates,hits, defends top lines, tremendous offensively and has an absolute cannon for a shot. His antics rile up opposing fans, players and he is loved in Montreal...Theyre going to have to pay him, might as well do it now and when they look back at it they'll be greatful they did. Sky is the limit for him.

I'm not making a one to one comparison, shupe.  I'm thinking about the way he plays.  He's "dominant" with the puck on his stick or on the PP, but he hasn't been as solid defensively since the Shabs lost Gill.  When Berard arrived on that awful Isles team, he was a force with the puck on his stick and a farce without it - but he was 19 and didn't have a Gill to back him up.  Berard had incredible OHL success with a 30 goal season and two long playoff runs in which he was better than a p/g player.  Kid could fly and, while it was pretty hard for him to "dominate" given that he never played on a good team (the 1999-2000 Leafs were as close as he'd get) before he was injured, then was never the same after.  The point of the comparison is that Berard was a guy who seemed to be all athletic ability maximizing average or just above average hockey sense.  And he was never better than his first couple of years.

Sorry, 70 pts guy.  But why isnt he a bigger goal guy with those hands. 

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I think PK's career has peaked.  From what I've seen of him I don't think he will get any better.  I thnk he's one of those guys who arrive on the scene with good skills and you think he will get better, but never does.  I would go slightly more conservatively than Book.  2nd line forward, then I agree with the rest.

I don't see a Norris in PK's future.

I think Hamilton has significantly more upside.

Peek?  You realize how young he is and that he can dominate games.  Back to how young he is.  Most d-man take yrs to find their game.  The year we won the cup did you think he peeked as basically a rookie.  He avg more ice time then any player in the series including chara.  

Book-  what is Kane really?  Have you ever checked his stats out.  I thought he was a bigger pt producer.  He is a one dimensional player who would likely thrive in Montreal.  Leddy is a good young player but is no PK.   So a top 6 fwd. Or a top 4 d.  Prospect and a 1st rounder.  Why not just offer leddy and Kane.   Maybe Montreal tosses a pick or a guy like moan back to even it out. 

I may over value PK but to me he's a top 5 in the next decade. 

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I think PK's career has peaked.  From what I've seen of him I don't think he will get any better.  I thnk he's one of those guys who arrive on the scene with good skills and you think he will get better, but never does.  I would go slightly more conservatively than Book.  2nd line forward, then I agree with the rest.

I don't see a Norris in PK's future.

I think Hamilton has significantly more upside.

Peek?  You realize how young he is and that he can dominate games.  Back to how young he is.  Most d-man take yrs to find their game.  The year we won the cup did you think he peeked as basically a rookie.  He avg more ice time then any player in the series including chara.  

Book-  what is Kane really?  Have you ever checked his stats out.  I thought he was a bigger pt producer.  He is a one dimensional player who would likely thrive in Montreal.  Leddy is a good young player but is no PK.   So a top 6 fwd. Or a top 4 d.  Prospect and a 1st rounder.  Why not just offer leddy and Kane.   Maybe Montreal tosses a pick or a guy like moan back to even it out. 

I may over value PK but to me he's a top 5 in the next decade. 

How has Phaneuf's game come along since he was PK's age? He's already had seasons where he got more assists than PK has managed points in a year. He's declined since his 3rd year. It happens. Kane and Leddy? Wow, over-rate the opposition much?

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I think PK's career has peaked.  From what I've seen of him I don't think he will get any better.  I thnk he's one of those guys who arrive on the scene with good skills and you think he will get better, but never does.  I would go slightly more conservatively than Book.  2nd line forward, then I agree with the rest.

I don't see a Norris in PK's future.

I think Hamilton has significantly more upside.

Peek?  You realize how young he is and that he can dominate games.  Back to how young he is.  Most d-man take yrs to find their game.  The year we won the cup did you think he peeked as basically a rookie.  He avg more ice time then any player in the series including chara.  

Book-  what is Kane really?  Have you ever checked his stats out.  I thought he was a bigger pt producer.  He is a one dimensional player who would likely thrive in Montreal.  Leddy is a good young player but is no PK.   So a top 6 fwd. Or a top 4 d.  Prospect and a 1st rounder.  Why not just offer leddy and Kane.   Maybe Montreal tosses a pick or a guy like moan back to even it out. 

I may over value PK but to me he's a top 5 in the next decade. 

How has Phaneuf's game come along since he was PK's age? He's already had seasons where he got more assists than PK has managed points in a year. He's declined since his 3rd year. It happens. Kane and Leddy? Wow, over-rate the opposition much?

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In response to BadHabitude's comment:

I think PK's career has peaked.  From what I've seen of him I don't think he will get any better.  I thnk he's one of those guys who arrive on the scene with good skills and you think he will get better, but never does.  I would go slightly more conservatively than Book.  2nd line forward, then I agree with the rest.

I don't see a Norris in PK's future.

I think Hamilton has significantly more upside.

Peek?  You realize how young he is and that he can dominate games.  Back to how young he is.  Most d-man take yrs to find their game.  The year we won the cup did you think he peeked as basically a rookie.  He avg more ice time then any player in the series including chara.  

Book-  what is Kane really?  Have you ever checked his stats out.  I thought he was a bigger pt producer.  He is a one dimensional player who would likely thrive in Montreal.  Leddy is a good young player but is no PK.   So a top 6 fwd. Or a top 4 d.  Prospect and a 1st rounder.  Why not just offer leddy and Kane.   Maybe Montreal tosses a pick or a guy like moan back to even it out. 

I may over value PK but to me he's a top 5 in the next decade. 

How has Phaneuf's game come along since he was PK's age? He's already had seasons where he got more assists than PK has managed points in a year. He's declined since his 3rd year. It happens. Kane and Leddy? Wow, over-rate the opposition much?

Phaneuf a bad player?.  Lets be up front phanuef has never been good in his own end or a shut down guy.  over-rate?  Maybe.  PK has been in the league 2 yrs.  you see him falling off a cliff in talent.  I don't.  

"It's come down to this.  I want to be paid what I'm worth," Subban told Dave Stubbs of the Montreal Gazette earlier this week.   He wants to stay in Montreal and help the team win, but for all the things he brings to the table he wants "to be fairly compensated."

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I think PK's career has peaked.  From what I've seen of him I don't think he will get any better.  I thnk he's one of those guys who arrive on the scene with good skills and you think he will get better, but never does.  I would go slightly more conservatively than Book.  2nd line forward, then I agree with the rest.

I don't see a Norris in PK's future.

I think Hamilton has significantly more upside.

Peek?  You realize how young he is and that he can dominate games.  Back to how young he is.  Most d-man take yrs to find their game.  The year we won the cup did you think he peeked as basically a rookie.  He avg more ice time then any player in the series including chara.  

Book-  what is Kane really?  Have you ever checked his stats out.  I thought he was a bigger pt producer.  He is a one dimensional player who would likely thrive in Montreal.  Leddy is a good young player but is no PK.   So a top 6 fwd. Or a top 4 d.  Prospect and a 1st rounder.  Why not just offer leddy and Kane.   Maybe Montreal tosses a pick or a guy like moan back to even it out. 

I may over value PK but to me he's a top 5 in the next decade. 

How has Phaneuf's game come along since he was PK's age? He's already had seasons where he got more assists than PK has managed points in a year. He's declined since his 3rd year. It happens. Kane and Leddy? Wow, over-rate the opposition much?

Phaneuf a bad player?.  Lets be up front phanuef has never been good in his own end or a shut down guy.  over-rate?  Maybe.  PK has been in the league 2 yrs.  you see him falling off a cliff in talent.  I don't.  

I didn't say he was "falling off a cliff" but I also don't think PK improving is a guarantee just because he's young. How about Jay Bouwmeester? He was a decent youngster too. You think PK is a shut down guy that's good in his own end simply because he played big minutes. Maybe he played such big minutes just because the rest of the D was so weak. How about that theory? I don't think PK is a bad player by any means. I just don't think his talent is even in the vicinity of where you're suggesting it is. He only wishes he could reach Phaneuf's level.

I'll join the camp that says he needs to show a little more before the big contract comes.  The   notion of equal trade value to Kane and Leddy is laughable, although the potential is could be there someday.  It reminds me of the Ryan O'Reilly holdout in a lot of ways, in that the player is arguing for elite money based on elite potential, and a small glimpse of that potential under his belt.  If stardom is so certain for these guys, they shouldn't be so indignant about signing a 1 or 2 year contract to prove their worth.  Subban has been plenty inconsistent and had all kinds of distractions so far.  Like everyone else I would assume the talent will put those things on the back burner, but you never know.  I think the Habs are fair in asking for another year or two in the bank before they give him an elite d-man contract.