At what point will the season be cancelled?

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    Sorry SteveGM, the owners who took part are, as advertized in many commentaries, friendly toward the players, and more than a little interested in solving the problem. They "thought" they had reached an agreement, particularly on three specific issues, which, they were told, by the players in attendance, were acceptable. The players were taking this tentative agreement back to the NHLPA [ meaning Fehr] for legal [ meaning all players] to approve and proceed. Obviously Fehr decided, once again, to squeeze the rock and incorporate his changes. The Owners, not Bettman except as a spokesman, withdrew their "positive" proposal. This is now all about Fehr's ego, and not the well being of 750 plus players.

    Yes Chowda, I thought I would wait a while.

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    Of course they're interested in solving the problem.  Don't you think many of the players are too?  What's Fehr got to gain by taking this thing into infinity?  Both sides are squeezing the rock....that's what happens in these kind of negotiations.  Every time, in every business.

    Your position that this is "all about" anyones ego, is clutching onto the absolute lowest common denominator...when you have of thousands of insightful articles at your disposal.

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    On the flip side, what does he lose by not ? 

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    Easy.   Ya can't be a great negotiater, if you don't complete the negotiation.  Everything he's done to build a career and make a name for himself is down the drain if he can't orchestrate some kind of a decent deal for his players.

     

     
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    Of course they're interested in solving the problem.  Don't you think many of the players are too?  What's Fehr got to gain by taking this thing into infinity?  Both sides are squeezing the rock....that's what happens in these kind of negotiations.  Every time, in every business.

    Your position that this is "all about" anyones ego, is clutching onto the absolute lowest common denominator...when you have of thousands of insightful articles at your disposal.

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    Back off, Steve.  Bogie doesn't get into any of this sort of stuff like the rest of us.  He's been a B's fan since the 50's and comes by with a few ideas. 

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    Not being disrespect nas, just pointing out obvious prejudice.  Nice to see such sensitivity from you though.


     
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    In response to stevegm's comment:[/QUOTE] Of course they're interested in solving the problem.  Don't you think many of the players are too?  What's Fehr got to gain by taking this thing into infinity?  Both sides are squeezing the rock....that's what happens in these kind of negotiations.  Every time, in every business.

    Your position that this is "all about" anyones ego, is clutching onto the absolute lowest common denominator...when you have of thousands of insightful articles at your disposal.

    [/QUOTE] On the flip side, what does he lose by not ? [/QUOTE]
    Easy.   Ya can't be a great negotiater, if you don't complete the negotiation.  Everything he's done to build a career and make a name for himself is down the drain if he can't orchestrate some kind of a decent deal for his players.  [/QUOTE]

    Fehr kept the salary cap out baseball and has gotten the NHL owners to back off their "take it or leave it" several times now. No matter what the players end up with now it won't be as bad as the owners initial offer. Fehr's negoatiating advice has gotten the owners to keep sweetning the deal towards the players, I'd say Don can hang his hat on his negotiating tactics so far.

    The owners never counter Fehr's offers. How is that making Fehr look bad ?

     
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    On the flip side, what does he lose by not ? 

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    Easy.   Ya can't be a great negotiater, if you don't complete the negotiation.  Everything he's done to build a career and make a name for himself is down the drain if he can't orchestrate some kind of a decent deal for his players.

     

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    If that's the criteria for being a great negotiator ( completing the negotiation ) then.......

    "Fehr led the players union through the 1994–95 Major League Baseball strike and subsequent World Series cancellation".

    ..........his career went down the drain long ago because of not completing the MLB negotiations..........and therefore clears it up for me. He has nothing to lose in prolonging this one.

    Thanks !

     
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    Deadline is January 10th or 11th to get a deal done.  Dovetails nicely with the trade deadline in the OHL - Niagara will have to decide if they're a buyer taking a run knowing they have Hamilton, Strome and Ritchie on board until the end or a seller trying to get whatever they can for assets that could disappear on the buyer.

    The moderate or deal-friendly owners did seem genuinely perplexed when the PA countered - not just towing the company line.  The NHL gave up a ton in that proposal, including the extended EL period, arbitration rights, and FA timing.  It sure sounded like they did so as a trade off - "we'll give you this plus another $100M in make whole dollars and in exchange we need to get rid of two loopholes in our cap system - we need to limit length of contract because it creates massive deferred risk as a way to circumvent current cap issues (sound like the mortgage crisis at all?) and we need to control year-to-year salary variance as a way to circumvent the cap." It would explain why the NHL pulled their offer as soon as the PA attempted to push on the things the NHL saw as their trade-off.

    Fehr is good at playing chicken because there is no result he fears.  He's negotiating the best system for the players - that's his mandate - regardless of what it costs the current players.  And he will do the brinksmanship thing to the end - the PA will not let the NHL be the ones to make the final proposal.  If the NHL said "you know what, take 60% of HRR, full UFA at 25 and no EL system" Fehr would counter because in his mind, if the NHL is willing to give that deal, they will eventually accept giving even more.

     
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    Fehr has a responsibility to keep the players playing more than anything else. Certainly a 50-50 split and a 10 year agreement, with an 8 year review makes that work. Who ever thought that  $ 500K plus all travel is a bad year's salary should think again. I know, TV has inflated the available $$; it's all about show-Biz compensation. But, how many fans can even imagine annual salaries that these players , in any sport, are fighting about ? Most of Obama's over $400,000 individuals work 70-80 hour weeks, and not playing or coaching a game.

     
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    From TSN today

    Thursday is Day 110 of the lockout. There are eight days left before the deadline of Jan. 11 set by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman to have a deal in place to save the season. Bettman has said that in order to allow a 48-game season, training camps need to open by Jan. 12 to allow the puck to drop on a shortened season by Jan. 19.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412704

     
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    NBC....January 19th!

     
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    Re: At what point will the season be cancelled?

    Ya have a half season and a 20 team playoff that will help build the product of hockey. Clowns on both sides on the aisle now. 

     

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