Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    Well?  

    I'm looking for someone to admit that Bartko & Koko was an offer that couldn't be refused, less Iginla himself nixed the deal.

     




    Hab - I'll happily admit that Bartkowski has played better than he previously showed. Not sure how anybody saw that one coming because he never played with that type of skill before. But, it sure looks like I underestimated him - so yep happy to be wrong. Good for him, he deserves credit.

     

    I'll also say that apparently it was an offer that could be refused, cause they did.

     

    Since we're all putting on our honest caps - I'd say Seguin has taken a big step back, and Kessel stepped up pretty big for his team...whatya think? Honestly

    oh yeh, anybody want to see Redden play over either one of those kids ? Not Me



    Unsure.  yes, Kessel certainly learned how to pass the puck somewhere along the line, and yes, he is a danger every time he gets the puck on his stick, but he still need to reach back and bring out a little more when the going gets tough.

    I was seeing a lot more of what you meant by Seguin shying away from physical contact, but then after Shawn Thornton threatened him in the locker room between period 3 and OT, he came out on fire in OT.  That might be the answer for Tyler, have someone threaten him physically on his own team.

    One thing I'll say is that looking back over their repsective careers, I like where Seguin is now a LOT better then where Kessel was year 3.  Lots of people like to go off about Kessel's playoff numbers, but most of those numbers came in his last Bruins year in the first round vs. the Habs in the sweep of the Habs, in the next round against the Canes Kessel did NOTHING, he was invisible out there.  At least Seguin had a presence in this series even tho he only got that one assist last night (or if it wasn't an assist, it led to the OT goal).

     
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    Hab - I'll happily admit that Bartkowski has played better than he previously showed. Not sure how anybody saw that one coming because he never played with that type of skill before. But, it sure looks like I underestimated him - so yep happy to be wrong. Good for him, he deserves credit.

    I'll also say that apparently it was an offer that could be refused, cause they did.

    Since we're all putting on our honest caps - I'd say Seguin has taken a big step back, and Kessel stepped up pretty big for his team...whatya think? Honestly

    oh yeh, anybody want to see Redden play over either one of those kids ? Not Me



    As dez already pointed out, the trade offer wasn't 'refused'.  It was accepted.  That's the opposite of refused.  Then Iginla refused to go.

    And yes, many people "saw it coming" with Bartkowski.  Nobody ever said he was an all-star D-man, but many of us argued that he was a serviceable NHL D-man and a good depth piece for the playoffs.  You said he was worthless and "undersized".  Last night was a perfect demonstration of Bartkowski's value and why the Bruins gave him an NHL contract.  He can step in and play solid when needed.  Didn't look out of place at all.  I think a lot of people "called that" actually.  If he becomes a top-pairing D-man, I'll be the first to admit I didn't see it coming.

    I'm surpised by all of this Kessel hype, to be honest.  Didn't we know he was this good?  I think Kessel has a ton of flaws but we all know he can be a top-20 scorer and he's super dangerous on 2-1s/breakaways.  He tapped in a goal and had a good shot on the 2 on 1 with Kadri.  Otherwise, he looked pretty miserable dealing with Chara most of the night and Toronto had to change up their lines just to give Kessel more space.  Kessel has a ton of offensive talent.  I wasn't surpised at all that he put up some points.  The suprise will come when his team wins something.

    Seguin has been pretty ineffective this series.  Not sure if it is a step back or not.

    I'm not trying to be cocky either.  I'm wrong about players all the time.  But I think you're mischaracterizing a few things above.

     
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    In response to JWensink's comment:

     

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    Well?  

    I'm looking for someone to admit that Bartko & Koko was an offer that couldn't be refused, less Iginla himself nixed the deal.

     




    Hab - I'll happily admit that Bartkowski has played better than he previously showed. Not sure how anybody saw that one coming because he never played with that type of skill before. But, it sure looks like I underestimated him - so yep happy to be wrong. Good for him, he deserves credit.

     

    I'll also say that apparently it was an offer that could be refused, cause they did.

     

    Since we're all putting on our honest caps - I'd say Seguin has taken a big step back, and Kessel stepped up pretty big for his team...whatya think? Honestly

    oh yeh, anybody want to see Redden play over either one of those kids ? Not Me

     



    Unsure.  yes, Kessel certainly learned how to pass the puck somewhere along the line, and yes, he is a danger every time he gets the puck on his stick, but he still need to reach back and bring out a little more when the going gets tough.

     

    I was seeing a lot more of what you meant by Seguin shying away from physical contact, but then after Shawn Thornton threatened him in the locker room between period 3 and OT, he came out on fire in OT.  That might be the answer for Tyler, have someone threaten him physically on his own team.

    One thing I'll say is that looking back over their repsective careers, I like where Seguin is now a LOT better then where Kessel was year 3.  Lots of people like to go off about Kessel's playoff numbers, but most of those numbers came in his last Bruins year in the first round vs. the Habs in the sweep of the Habs, in the next round against the Canes Kessel did NOTHING, he was invisible out there.  At least Seguin had a presence in this series even tho he only got that one assist last night (or if it wasn't an assist, it led to the OT goal).




    Fair enough Hab, and I agree about Kessel's playoff record while here.

    I thought after watching Kessel in this series that Seguin is maybe slightly faster than Kessel in a straight line, but that Kessel was a much better skater especially with the puck on his stick, also thought that kessel showed much more creativity, presented the threat of the shot, and actually competed much better than Seguin on the PP. Look, I just despise guys who peel off and do fly bys. All the highlight reel goals in the world don't matter to me because that's just not being a complete hockey player, screws your line mates and shows no heart...You know just like a Canuck...no thanks

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    Hab - I'll happily admit that Bartkowski has played better than he previously showed. Not sure how anybody saw that one coming because he never played with that type of skill before. But, it sure looks like I underestimated him - so yep happy to be wrong. Good for him, he deserves credit.

    I'll also say that apparently it was an offer that could be refused, cause they did.

    Since we're all putting on our honest caps - I'd say Seguin has taken a big step back, and Kessel stepped up pretty big for his team...whatya think? Honestly

    oh yeh, anybody want to see Redden play over either one of those kids ? Not Me

     



    As dez already pointed out, the trade offer wasn't 'refused'.  It was accepted.  That's the opposite of refused.  Then Iginla refused to go.

     

    And yes, many people "saw it coming" with Bartkowski.  Nobody ever said he was an all-star D-man, but many of us argued that he was a serviceable NHL D-man and a good depth piece for the playoffs.  You said he was worthless and "undersized".  Last night was a perfect demonstration of Bartkowski's value and why the Bruins gave him an NHL contract.  He can step in and play solid when needed.  Didn't look out of place at all.  I think a lot of people "called that" actually.  If he becomes a top-pairing D-man, I'll be the first to admit I didn't see it coming.

    I'm surpised by all of this Kessel hype, to be honest.  Didn't we know he was this good?  I think Kessel has a ton of flaws but we all know he can be a top-20 scorer and he's super dangerous on 2-1s/breakaways.  He tapped in a goal and had a good shot on the 2 on 1 with Kadri.  Otherwise, he looked pretty miserable dealing with Chara most of the night and Toronto had to change up their lines just to give Kessel more space.  Kessel has a ton of offensive talent.  I wasn't surpised at all that he put up some points.  The suprise will come when his team wins something.

    Seguin has been pretty ineffective this series.  Not sure if it is a step back or not.

    I'm not trying to be cocky either.  I'm wrong about players all the time.  But I think you're mischaracterizing a few things above.




    Fletch - I trashed him no doubt.

    I've seen him play in person more than once and he was nothing special, as a matter of fact Kampfer looked like he was head and shoulders above him. If PC knew he had progressed and was going to become effective, then like I said, I'll happily admit I underestimated his ability.

    You were right and I was wrong

    But again, with the quotation marks ? I don't ever recall calling him "undersized"

    You know that when you do that you're implying that those are direct remarks attributed to someone else. Not sure why you continue doing that, but it's not really something that you should be practicing. Seriously ? what is with that ?

     

    When a trade is "accepted' - it is sent to the NHL office. It never was sent. PC sat all day waiting for something that should have been routine. Not Good.

    A NMC, does not mean you get to choose where you want to go. Nor does it mean that management has any obligation to trade you at all. Or present you with all offers. It doesn't mean nay of those things

    Hey Jarome - we got an offer for Peverly and a 1st from Boston, so that's where you are going since Boston was on your list.

    No- how about Pitt ?, I'd prefer that if possible.

    Their offer wasn't nearly as good, and we have no deal that works for us with them

    Go to Boston or stay in Calgary - your call, and we'll be happy to announce that we had a deal with Boston but that you refused to go there because you implemented your NMC, even though you included them on the list you provided...It's entirely up to you

    All I've ever said was that it didn't go down like that, and maybe things would have turned out differently if it did. 

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

    I think Bartkowski is a top 4 dman next season if he stays healthy.  I believe Hamilton is a 5/6 guy and a PP specialist (despite last nights out of character gaffe).  I imagine this means the end of Ference in Boston.  I don't want to see Ference go, but the kids have to take there playing time from someone.  The kids; Hamilton 42, Bartkowski 11 and Krug 1, played 54 total games.  Just more then 1 total man year.  I hope and expect to get between 120 and 170 next year.

     
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    Winning the Cup gives many a fan an attitude about the management, coaching and players.  Somehow the team who lost the "epic and historical" series with Philly in 2010 was vanquished with a Cup in 2011.  The team though is still intact and relatively young eliminating the age of Big Z, Ference, the German , etc.  The team is still young.  Learning came easy with a Cup, but it was not completed with winning the Cup.  If one looks at the play of the Bs it is indicative the NHL now with parity and a cap, young mid 20s players, and a grueling doctrine of defense.  Manic in some ways with the energy and consistency.  Last night Hamilton and Bartkowski were thrown into the scheme without much support imo, the result was not spectacular but productive given the last ten minutes of the game.  It was Toronto overall who lost the series nonetheless, somewhat like the 2009 Bs team.  The Bs youth from three years ago rose to the challenge.  Those rookies made a difference with those who lost and gained experience from those days in 2008-09.  Kudos to all as a team! CJ needs to take notice and play the youth during the regular season where points do count with shootouts and standings, but more importantly youth can find experience as well.  CJ needs to grow as a coach and be more open to give youthful players like Hamilton and Bartkowski more play time during the season.  The fact remains the 4th, 5th, and 6th ranked teams won in the western conference.  Up until the last 10 minutes of last night's game the same would have been true in the eastern conference.  To summarize, the Bs management needs to understand the nature of a youthful NHL team and the failings of rookies in the regular season.   Puck you all if you don't understand what I am saying. 

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    oh yeh, anybody want to see Redden play over either one of those kids ? Not Me



    Even as much as Bartkowski has progressed I'd rather have Redden play. I do want Hamilton for his offense if my choice is between Bartkowski and Dougie.

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    Fletch - I trashed him no doubt.

     

    I've seen him play in person more than once and he was nothing special, as a matter of fact Kampfer looked like he was head and shoulders above him. If PC knew he had progressed and was going to become effective, then like I said, I'll happily admit I underestimated his ability.

    You were right and I was wrong

    But again, with the quotation marks ? I don't ever recall calling him "undersized"

    You know that when you do that you're implying that those are direct remarks attributed to someone else. Not sure why you continue doing that, but it's not really something that you should be practicing. Seriously ? what is with that ?

     

    When a trade is "accepted' - it is sent to the NHL office. It never was sent. PC sat all day waiting for something that should have been routine. Not Good.

    A NMC, does not mean you get to choose where you want to go. Nor does it mean that management has any obligation to trade you at all. Or present you with all offers. It doesn't mean nay of those things

    Hey Jarome - we got an offer for Peverly and a 1st from Boston, so that's where you are going since Boston was on your list.

    No- how about Pitt ?, I'd prefer that if possible.

    Their offer wasn't nearly as good, and we have no deal that works for us with them

    Go to Boston or stay in Calgary - your call, and we'll be happy to announce that we had a deal with Boston but that you refused to go there because you implemented your NMC, even though you included them on the list you provided...It's entirely up to you

    All I've ever said was that it didn't go down like that, and maybe things would have turned out differently if it did. 



    It was probably OrrEspoCash that called him "undersized".  I remember arguing with the two of you at the same time about him.  Apologies for the quotes.

    Other than that, I don't want to re-hash the whole Iginla thing since there were about 10 threads on that.  It was my impression that both PC and Feaster must have considered Bartkowski to be an NHL talent at the time.

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    I think Bartkowski is a top 4 dman next season if he stays healthy.  I believe Hamilton is a 5/6 guy and a PP specialist (despite last nights out of character gaffe).  I imagine this means the end of Ference in Boston.  I don't want to see Ference go, but the kids have to take there playing time from someone.  The kids; Hamilton 42, Bartkowski 11 and Krug 1, played 54 total games.  Just more then 1 total man year.  I hope and expect to get between 120 and 170 next year.




    Hamilton as a 5/6 guy? Nah. I believe he'll end up being the best part of the Kessel deal.

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

    just seeing Gardener & Guffassen(excuse my spelling cause I really dont give 2 hoots how there spelled) makes me excited for Bartkowski,Hamilton & Krug. Those 2 leafs came in & played some excellent hockey. One of my problems I have with Julien is his reluctance to go with young players & seeing them out. Maybe it dates back to Whitfield over Marchand GRRRRRRR! The game can be a young mans game with speed,excitement & emotion as those 2 leafs showed. Hopefully showed the way for the B,s younguns

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    As dez already pointed out, the trade offer wasn't 'refused'.  It was accepted.  That's the opposite of refused.  Then Iginla refused to go.


     

    When a trade is "accepted' - it is sent to the NHL office. It never was sent. PC sat all day waiting for something that should have been routine. Not Good.

    A NMC, does not mean you get to choose where you want to go. Nor does it mean that management has any obligation to trade you at all. Or present you with all offers. It doesn't mean nay of those things

    Hey Jarome - we got an offer for Peverly and a 1st from Boston, so that's where you are going since Boston was on your list.

    No- how about Pitt ?, I'd prefer that if possible.

    Their offer wasn't nearly as good, and we have no deal that works for us with them

    Go to Boston or stay in Calgary - your call, and we'll be happy to announce that we had a deal with Boston but that you refused to go there because you implemented your NMC, even though you included them on the list you provided...It's entirely up to you

    All I've ever said was that it didn't go down like that, and maybe things would have turned out differently if it did. 

     



    Don't tell us what NMC clauses don't mean. Tell us what you think they do mean. as it stands, most of us are aware of how they work. You seem to be one of the few that still doesn't. Your hypothetical outcomes will never trump what actually happenned. Google it even. There's lots of info available to peruse.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/03/27/pittsburgh-penguins-get-jarome-iginla-whatttt-out-of-nowhere/

     

    Yup. Old loyalties die hard, I guess.

    Iginla, who’s never won a Stanley Cup, getting to Game 7 in 2004 and losing to Tampa Bay Lightning, chose the Penguins over the Bruins, with the Los Angeles the other team in the race.

    While Calgary Flames’ GM Jay Feaster said “we respect very, very much the fact that Jarome worked with us” giving up  his no-trade, no-move clause to be traded to one of four teams, Glames GM Jay Feaster also said Iginla — the greatest Flames’ player of them all, with apologies to defenceman Al MacInnis and the Moustachioed One Lanny McDonald — had the final say on where he was going.

    Iginla, 35,  had the no-move, no-trade clause  in the last year of his five-year, $7-million-a-year contract and Feaster had to run the deals past him.

    Iggy’s agent Don Meehan had sent Feaster a list of four teams — Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Los Angeles — to whom he’d waive his no-trade clause and three made offers.

     

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

    I dont see how you can bench this kid.  I also dont see how you cannot create a spot for him in your top 6 lineup.  I think he's here to stay....But Ive been wrong about that before.

     
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    It's the tonic that the bruins needed on Defense. Three years ago Bartkowski went to Prague with the team, and then was sent down for the last few, as he learned more about NHL play, and grew stronger. He's ready, and part of that readiness is to ignore Claude's fixation with veteran players, as Claude usually comes around when the young player demonstrates skills and commitment. Looks like the Bruins will need these kids as the Ranger series opens.

     
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    Re: Bartkowski 24:51 TOI Hamilton 21:08 TOI Tonigh!

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    I dont see how you can bench this kid.  I also dont see how you cannot create a spot for him in your top 6 lineup.  I think he's here to stay....But Ive been wrong about that before.



    He's signed through next year Drew so he stays.

     
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