Best Defensive Players in Bruins History

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    Best Defensive Players in Bruins History

    Which players were the best at shodowing and negating the other team's star players?
    Was it one player or players that worked together?
    Steve Kasper comes to mind as one of the all time greats.
    Your thoughts on a slow, slow mid-summer day. Enjoy the debate!
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    On D, it's Chara.  No contest.  Ovetchkin called him "the best defenseman in the world"

    For a forward, that would be Bergeron.  As good as checkers like Barry Pederson, PJ Axellson, and others were in Bruins history, Bergeron is above and beyond them all.  He is extraordinary in vision, anticipation, positioning, and puck snitching. 
     
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    Dan Paille was one of the best defensive forwards in playoff history (including the only penalty killing performance i've ever seen that could legitimately be called "single-handedly dominating the opposition power play").

    Campbell is certainly very good defensively, but he doesn't have the ability to turn on a dime and convert a opposition turnover into an offensive attack like Dan does (and if he works a little extra hard this year on puck control and finish he can have an even greater impact), nor can Campbell hit anywhere near as well as Dan.

    Dan Paille keeps his mouth shut, does his job as well as anyone does and finds ways to help his team win. He is one of the best defensive forwards in Bruins history and they would not have won the Stanley Cup without Dan Paille.*


    * admittedly, it's hard to find a player on the team about whom this isn't true. but when your team strategy is to win 5-on-5 because the power play is anemic (Coach's decision, let the record show this now that we are getting past the honeymoon phase), the only way that is possible is by having a penalty kill that is just plain ridiculous, and that's what Dan Paille helped give them. i do hope they make some strategic adjustments as an organization though, because I don't know that we'll ever see a PK like it again.

     
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    Eddie Westfall was great defensivley .....used to shadow Bobby Hull back in the mid 60's and did a pretty good job. Don Marcotte also comes to mind as a great defensive player.....IMO, Carolina is right when he claims Bergeron is the best ever.
     
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    Thomas, Cheevers & Thompson = best defensive players in Bruins history.

    As for defensive forwards (which is what I assume the thread is more about), Kasper was known first and foremost as the guy you send out to shut down the opposition. Of course, it's easier to gain notoriety for this role when the guy on the other side of the ice is #99.

    Gill always gets a lot of credit for his work against Lemieux, Jagr, and to a lesser extent to this day Ovechkin, Malkin and Crosby.

    I wouldn't hesitate a moment to put Bergeron at the top of this list....and the Canadian Olympic coaching staff agrees.
     
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    [QUOTE]Which players were the best at shodowing and negating the other team's star players? Was it one player or players that worked together? Steve Kasper comes to mind as one of the all time greats. Your thoughts on a slow, slow mid-summer day. Enjoy the debate! Doc
    Posted by TomOBrien[/QUOTE]

    Don Marcotte, Greg Sheppard, PJ Axellsson , Steve Kasper, Dan Paille

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    He didn't play very long in Boston but dave Poulin was pretty good defensivley
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    Don't Forget Don Sweeney, Great shutdown D-man. Forwards have been said, Kasper, P.J., Paille, And Bergy.
     
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    Poulin and Reid were a great combination, Buck - I was reading p.1. thinking he'd be my addition to the list.  Tim Taylor was very good for a short time as a two-way player.  I think Ax was a bit over-rated in a reactionary sort of way.

    The all-time bests, though?  Bourque then Chara on D, maybe a tie between Poulin  and Bergeron up front.  Paille gets an honourable mention for being the most disruptive penalty killer they've ever had - but it doesn't translate to his overall game.  There were seasons, especially '90, where it really seemed like if Bourque was on the ice, the opposition wasn't going to score, and overall, the flow of the game was going to keep shifting Boston's way.  Chara still gets pinwheeled from time to time, and he has brain cramps that Bourque never did.  Bourque made mistakes (I mean...he did, didn't he?  He had to have...), but not from doing moronic things.
     
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    no love  for Freddie Stanfield?
     
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    Yah I really liked Poulin allot his play in the 92' and 94' playoffs against the Shabs were extraordinary display in shutting really good PPs and top lines down.Dave Reid was a good partner for Poulin they had a great run. Kasper get honorable mentions as well. I have no love for AX whatsoever.

    Chara was bad at times against Carolina in 09' but he was down right evil against Montreal, Philly, Tampa and Vancouver no cup without him. Bourque had a terrific career but was brutal against Buffalo in 93' and that is why he is a notch down from Zdeno.
     
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    [QUOTE]Yah I really liked Poulin allot his play in the 92' and 94' playoffs against the Shabs were extraordinary display in shutting really good PPs and top lines down. Dave Reid was a good partner for Poulin they had a great run. Kasper get honorable mentions as well. I have no love for AX whatsoever. Chara was bad at times against Carolina in 09' but he was down right evil against Montreal, Philly, Tampa and Vancouver no cup without him. Bourque had a terrific career but was brutal against Buffalo in 93' and that is why he is a notch down from Zdeno.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]
    May day ! May day ! May day !. That was 93 when May went around Bourque, right ?
     
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    I thought Chara was well below-par vs. MTL, then went into beast mode for Round 2 and beyond.
     
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    In Response to Re: Best Defensive Players in Bruins Hisotry:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Best Defensive Players in Bruins Hisotry : May day ! May day ! May day !. That was 93 when May went around Bourque, right ?Posted by 50belowzero[/QUOTE]

    I really don't like saying anything bad about a sports hero of mine but yes that was the #77 cone May went around. That might have been the least worst bad play Bourque made in that series. Lafontaine and Mogilny skated circles around Ray.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Best Defensive Players in Bruins Hisotry : I really don't like saying anything bad about a sports hero of mine but yes that was the #77 cone May went around. That might have been the least worst bad play Bourque made in that series. Lafontaine and Mogilny skated circles around Ray.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]
    Absolutely, Ray ranks as one of my top three favorite all time B's. Went to his jersey retirement and have to say his speech was one of the best i have ever heard all time in any forum. Was right after 911.
     
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    '93 was awful, but Ray didn't get much help either.  I tend to think of that series as the confluence of evils - Brad May couldn't have made that move again in a 1000 tries - the biggest of them being that that series was the one time I thought Bourque tried to do too much and didn't trust his team.  On another thread, someone mentioned that Moog was brutal that series, too.  Nothing went right that year. Bad as it was, though, I'll still take Bourque over Chara as a shutdown guy because even when he's on, Chara still makes mistakes that his size often, but not always, covers.  Like what the .... was he doing charging the puck carrier and then falling down on the Torres goal in game 1?  He was also less than all-world vs. the Flyers last year, just like the 'Canes the year before when Staal owned him.  Not taking anything away from the guy, but THN named Bourque the 15th best player in league history.  He controlled the game.
     
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    [QUOTE]Dan Paille was one of the best defensive forwards in playoff history (including the only penalty killing performance i've ever seen that could legitimately be called "single-handedly dominating the opposition power play"). Campbell is certainly very good defensively, but he doesn't have the ability to turn on a dime and convert a opposition turnover into an offensive attack like Dan does (and if he works a little extra hard this year on puck control and finish he can have an even greater impact), nor can Campbell hit anywhere near as well as Dan. Dan Paille keeps his mouth shut, does his job as well as anyone does and finds ways to help his team win. He is one of the best defensive forwards in Bruins history and they would not have won the Stanley Cup without Dan Paille.* * admittedly, it's hard to find a player on the team about whom this isn't true. but when your team strategy is to win 5-on-5 because the power play is anemic (Coach's decision, let the record show this now that we are getting past the honeymoon phase), the only way that is possible is by having a penalty kill that is just plain ridiculous, and that's what Dan Paille helped give them. i do hope they make some strategic adjustments as an organization though, because I don't know that we'll ever see a PK like it again.
    Posted by shuturmouthwhenimtalkingtoyou[/QUOTE]
    Yes,Paille was great in the playoffs.He is an outstanding skater.
     
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    PJ gets criticized because he was slow at the end and didn't score. He was the best defensive forward on those teams, over a growing Bergeron.

    Same reason people didn't give Paille credit until the playoffs.
     
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    " Like what the .... was he doing charging the puck carrier and then falling down on the Torres goal in game 1?"

    Yes skating wise and offensively Ray gets the nod over Z no doubt. I could throw in the 91' playoffs against Jagr and Mario but those two were brutalizing everyone back then and yes Moog deserves some of the blame in both of those series.

    However we are talking about the "Best Defensive Players" Zdeno helped shutdown the Twins, Carter, Richards, Briere, Stamkos, Lacavelier, St. Louis, Gionta, Cammalleri and Kesler so Chara gets the edge.

    PS. Yes Ax was solid but were talking about being exceptional and he was not Kasper, Reid nor Poulin IMO.
     
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    [QUOTE]" Like what the .... was he doing charging the puck carrier and then falling down on the Torres goal in game 1?" Yes skating wise and offensively Ray gets the nod over Z no doubt. I could throw in the 91' playoffs against Jagr and Mario but those two were brutalizing everyone back then and yes Moog deserves some of the blame in both of those series. However we are talking about the "Best Defensive Players" Zdeno helped shutdown the Twins, Carter, Richards, Briere, Stamkos, Lacavelier, St. Louis, Gionta, Cammalleri and Kesler so Chara gets the edge. PS. Yes Ax was solid but were talking about being exceptional and he was not Kasper, Reid nor Poulin IMO.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]

    Ax was a good foot soldier during a low point in franchise history. He was the closest thing the team had to a lunch-pail guy during that era.
     
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    Something like this is pretty tough, because a guy like Paille has defensive moments that stand out to us as fans. He was stellar on the penalty kill, but I couldn't really tell you if he's tough to play against in the D zone 5-on-5. He's not a guy that was asked to go out there and shut down the other team's #1 line, which speaks volumes to me within the context of this discussion.

    So we should be focusing on those types....the guys coach sends out to remove the sisters, St. Louis, Girioux and Cammalleri from the score sheet. Chara and Bergeron were those guys with this current team. Bourque, Poulin, Kasper and to a lesser extent Gill and Sweeney from years past.

    It's why as much as I like Axelsson, he won't be on my list. He wasn't out there against the league's best. He was just a very good 3rd or 4th line winger and great PK specialist. Not the definition of shut-down. Same as Paille, Campbell, Kelly et al.

    Great thread.
     
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    Oh c'mon people , doesn't anybody remember the name Derek Sanderson ? A fantastic sweep checker ( you don't see this anymore ) and a great PKer with Eddie ( sorry I mean Ed ) Westfall. My choice as #1, everyone else is a distant 2nd.

     
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    Sanderson's sweep check was unbelievable. I remember trying to do it in a game and I almost ate the puck...Steve Kasper is my all time favourite specialist b/c of having to play against Mr. Wonderful. Chara for pure shut down D.

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    [QUOTE]Oh c'mon people , doesn't anybody remember the name Derek Sanderson ? A fantastic sweep checker ( you don't see this anymore ) and a great PKer with Eddie ( sorry I mean Ed ) Westfall. My choice as #1, everyone else is a distant 2nd.
    Posted by Chowdahkid-[/QUOTE]
     
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