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    In Response to Re: Bolts Offense:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bolts Offense :  How the H E double hockey sticks can you say rolie will falter.  Rest?  He has had 10 days off.  Injury? Can you predict the future? Posted by shuperman[/QUOTE]

    You didn't read my post nor GOATs out of refusal. I said he hasn't played this late in the season, in highly contested series since 2006 and that will hurt him not he will get injured hence the Vinne 3D comment. This tells me you aren't reading the replys to your posts.

    You didn't address the +38 differential that the Bruins are compared to the Lightning. You also refuse to admit or come up with a reply that the bottom six forwards that Tampa had just played in the last two series just aren't that good compared to the Bruins bottom six forwards.

    You only read your own posts and expect to not get any replys then you don't come back with something that GOAT came up with which are indisputable numbers. The Lightnings 2nd and 3rd lines are tougher than the Bruins 2nd and 3rd lines ?
     
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    San,
    1st off- relax.  I was only kidding with you.  my post was littered with sarcasm.  I got yours.  Obviously you didnt get mine. Injury was a joke.  Stop playing with words.

    I did read your post.  Roli not advancing since 2006.  How does this have any influence  on what he is doing now?  TT has never been this far and has failed in the past to advance and lost his job last year.  With this logic maybe TT gets nervous and fails badly.  Bottom line.  What is going to make Roli fail in round three.  What makes you an expert on when a goalie is gonna break down and lose his edge when he has been playing outta this world?  Fact! Roli is one of the MVP's of the final 5 teams and has taken his team(underdog Oilers) to the cup finals and likely would have won if he didnt get hurt.

    I actually agreed on Goats breakdown.  Although I could have commented on numerous issues with it such as the teams involved and the flawed stat of +/-. 

    Bottom 6 forwards.  Bottom 6 forwards.
    They have 3 in the top 30 scorers in the playoffs.  Their 3rd line has clicked.  At the current moment in these playoffs Berg/Downie/Moore are as good as any line in the playoffs.  What oh mighty one makes you think that this bottom 6 is gonna be out played by Peverly/Ryder/Campy? 
    Our 4th line is a joke.  Thorton is terrible.  Stop with anything that relates to him being in this conversation.  Paille is hit or miss but kills pims similar to Hall or Thompson. Seguin shouldnt be in the NHL.
    At the moment the bottom 6 for TBay is out scoring Bostons bottom 6 12-10. Also consider that they have 5 bottom 6 fwds to our 6 bottom 6 fwds. Factor in that Kelly and his 4 goals are sliding up on the depth scale and this debate is over.  If you are comparing numbers for the 1st 2 rounds also factor in the competition. 
    See I can throw stats out as well. 

    Also factor in that Gagne and Stampkos(top 5 in hockey?) were almost non-factors.


    Team GP W L OT P P% G/G GA/G 5-5 F/A PP% PK% S/G SA/G Sc 1% Tr 1st% Ld 1% Ld 2% OS% OSB% FO%
    1 BOS 11 8 3   0 0 .727 3.36 2.18 2.38 5.4 80.5 33.8 34.4 1.000 .400 1.000 1.000 .400 1.000 53.4
    2 TBL 11 8 3   1 0 .727 3.46 2.18 1.15 26.7 94.4 26.7 35.5 1.000 .250 1.000 1.000 1.000 .700 49.7

    Skill- TBay
    Star Power- TBay
    Special Teams- which are kinda important its not even close.  Bruins PP woke up on a 5-3 PP in a blow out game with a minute left.  If this is turning the page well hip hip horray.  Tbay is outstanding in both aspects. If you want we can dig really deep and realize the Caps also scored on a 5-3.
    Depth Fwds- TBay(think I pretty clearly illustrated that through 2 rounds their bottom 5 are as good and actually better at the moment).
    Speed- B's.  Its close but I think we have better team speed.
    Physical Play- B's Huge Edge
    Defense- Z one of the best dmen in the league(if not the best) and he is an X factor that definitely gives us an edge.
    Goalie- I will even concede the goalie edge to the B;s based purely on the fact that TT is the regular seasons best goalie.  However, playoffs are a different bird and at the moment Rolie is on par. 

    I am also basing this on the fact that Bergie likely won't be 100%. 

    San dude.  If you had a late nap and fell off the wrong side of the bed please don't take it out on me.  I am here for fun and to stir things up.  We both have opinions.  I like taking the other side of the argument once in a while and running with it.  If you don't know that by now you havent been reading my posts.


     
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    [QUOTE]similiar to some of our own posters, these pundits will not believe the b's can do it, until they do it. the scariest team in the playoffs are the boston bruins. but most are reserved, considering their 39 year history. understandable. not me though, let's have a parade this summer!
    Posted by adkbeesfan[/QUOTE]

    This is pointed at me.  So I will say dig up the archives and realize I predicted the Bruins to come back against the Habs.  And before the playoffs started predicted the Bruins to win the cup.

     
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    Ok I'm convinced Roli's play from 5 years ago helped him shutdown two deep, tough teams in the first two rounds of this years playoffs. Chara, Seidenberg, Ference and Boychuk are going to get worked by Tampa's top four forwards because their stars. It's a Lightning world and Shup is living in it...
     
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    San,
    Why the hate.  You wanted stats and facts and I provided them.  Yes I do think experience and having star power helps win you playoff rounds. 
    I don't remember saying anyone gets worked.  I said its gonna be a very tough matchup.  I mean it is the conference finals.  The fact that Bergie is the best faceoff man, point getter and PK specialist means someone must make up for this.  
    If Tampa wins the cup- Roli will be the MVP at this moment.  Can you tear off the Bruins Jersey and admit that?  It is ok t admit that another team has talent. 

    So I point out the obvious and you take your net and ball and go home. 
    San, you are truly one of the best on here.  But stop wordsmithing. Your previous post was comical. "I refused, out of refusal". What the heck is that? 

    I may start calling you the BlogNazi.  "No Post For You!  Next"


     
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    One last thing before lala land.  You called me out.  If I seperate you from a heard and call you out I would hope you have a reply as well. 

    cheers
     
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    TB 10 double digit scorers Bos 13.

    Lecav and Rolo did not play last game between 2, but everyone else did, including Bos and TB's newly aquired deadline players.

     Rollie numbers are heads above any of his career including his 2006 playoffs, he has been a steady goalie but he is not as good as the numbers he is showing and he never has been this good.  His numbers are heading in the other direction, against Was his numbers were .925 and 2.44 as opposed to against Pit .946 and 1.90.
    TT's numbers are moving the other way against Mon .926 and  2.25 and against Phi .953 and 1.65.

    Bos also gave up 6PP against Mon and only 2 against Phi while finally scoring 2. TB scored 8 and then 4PP averaging 1 a game, but it was down to 22.2% against Was from 29.6% against Pit.

    TB's numbers are going down and the B's are going up.

    TB is a good talented team, people forget the B`s are as well and they are also very deep. It will be a good series either way but not the romp by the higher skilled and speedster team of TB that seems to be espoused by everyone. The B`s are not a plodding team, they are talented and have the best Dman and Goalie in the league.

    The B`s should win, but this is the Stanley Cup and that is why they play the games and we agree to disagree on the values of personnel and teams.
     
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    [QUOTE]TB 10 double digit scorers Bos 13. Lecav and Rolo did not play last game between 2, but everyone else did, including Bos and TB's newly aquired deadline players.  Rollie numbers are heads above any of his career including his 2006 playoffs, he has been a steady goalie but he is not as good as the numbers he is showing and he never has been this good.  His numbers are heading in the other direction, against Was his numbers were .925 and 2.44 as opposed to against Pit .946 and 1.90. TT's numbers are moving the other way against Mon .926 and  2.25 and against Phi .953 and 1.65. Bos also gave up 6PP against Mon and only 2 against Phi while finally scoring 2. TB scored 8 and then 4PP averaging 1 a game, but it was down to 22.2% against Was from 29.6% against Pit. TB's numbers are going down and the B's are going up. TB is a good talented team, people forget the B`s are as well and they are also very deep. It will be a good series either way but not the romp by the higher skilled and speedster team of TB that seems to be espoused by everyone. The B`s are not a plodding team, they are talented and have the best Dman and Goalie in the league. The B`s should win, but this is the Stanley Cup and that is why they play the games and we agree to disagree on the values of personnel and teams.
    Posted by No4BobbyOrr-GOAT[/QUOTE]

    Bostons numbers went up b/c of the talent they played.  Tampas went down b/c the team they played.  I really don't care what Rolies career numbers are b/c they have no reflection on his current play.  He is playing outstanding on a team that plays a great system.

    I already stated that the teams balance is pretty close.  But, Boston doesnt have the star power of TBay.  Stampkos is a 50 goal guy and we have none of those. 

    We are now in the point of this argument where we both are chasing our tails.  We both made our pts.  I think TBay is a very good team.  Many on here think the B's have the edge in every cat.  I don't.
     
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    Shupe and Sandog, this is good stuff, all of it debateable. You all know I looove our Bruins, but let's look at the facts. Timmy has returned to his in season form, but still gives up sweet rebounds and should never again try to pass the puck as it totally confuses his d-men. Rolo, I haven't watched much, except in these playoffs, and he has been good. The facts are that Kubina is still out, not ready to play like Bergeron; Hedman is big, but not always smart; Brewer and Ohlund have become their shutdown D-pair; Shupe is OH SO RIGHT on Thornton. Caron is a much better option for the Bruins, but Claude won't do it unless he is forced into it. Based on Claude's stubborness, my vote goes to the rookie coach of Tampa for smarts and flexibility. He has evolved Tampa into a dangerous team and reenergized LeCavelier[sp?] making two very solid scoring lines. If Ryder just GLYDES then Tampa's 3rd line will cause problems. Them's the facts.
     
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              "Stampkos is a 50 goal guy and we have none of those."

    Steven Stamkos has gone 6 games in the years playoffs without registering a point because the hitting started. He should have dominated the soft forwards and week defense of Washinton Steven isn't playing like a 45 goal scorer.
     
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    This debate on who has the better offense is ridiculous.  Really.   St. Louis, Gagne, Lecavalier, Stamkos, Brewer versus Krejci, Lucic, Horton, Kaberle, Chara.  There's no comparison.  That Tampa Bay power play is in a class by itself.

    Championships are decided on the power play.  Tampa Bay clearly has the advantage.

    Now Bruin appologists please go away.  Tampa outclasses our team by alot.  And if you need any more convincing, see Sandawgs link of the give and go passing that resulted in, probably, one of the playoffs prettiest goals.

    Why score ugly ones when you can be pretty.

     
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    Their offense is better, no question.  However, our D outclasses theirs by far, and we have the better goalie (Roloson is good, but Thomas is better)....thanks!
     
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    Krazie Joe is right. You cannot say the TB defense is better that the B's, becasuse it isn't. Rolo is very good but I'll still take TT. I think the B's match up pretty good against the Bolts.

    IMO the series (as noted by someone else's post) will hinge on the Bruins being able to effectively limit TB's transition game. If the Bruins give TB any space through the neutral zone, it could be a long series.

    The Bruin's also have to play their dump and chase to perfection. With the 1-3-1 or 1-2-2 taking away the middle third of the ice, the B's forwards will really need to get into the corners in a hurry...and make sure they collapse on that front of the goalmouth pass that the Habs used effectively against them early in that series.

    Can. Not. Wait.
     
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    [QUOTE]This debate on who has the better offense is ridiculous.  Really.   St. Louis, Gagne, Lecavalier, Stamkos, Brewer versus Krejci, Lucic, Horton, Kaberle, Chara.  There's no comparison.  That Tampa Bay power play is in a class by itself. Championships are decided on the power play.  Tampa Bay clearly has the advantage. Now Bruin appologists please go away.  Tampa outclasses our team by alot.  And if you need any more convincing, see Sandawgs link of the give and go passing that resulted in, probably, one of the playoffs prettiest goals. Why score ugly ones when you can be pretty.
    Posted by bim09[/QUOTE]
    Better yet,why concern yourself with how a goal looks? Are St.Louis goals worth more than Lucic goals?
     
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    [QUOTE]Every where I look (espn, tsn, nhl.com) all i see is how offensively deep and talented Tamps Bay is.  But, didnt we just go thru all of that in the Flyers series, and Id say our D did a pretty damn good job of containing them.  Is the Bolts O really that much better than Phillies?
    Posted by Billy-Chapel[/QUOTE]

    The Bolts are much quicker than Phillybut the Bruins can take care of that by banging em around.  Bruins play great when they play physical.  
     
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    This post is rediculous, and I think it comes back to the point of the original poster.  People talk about the offence of the Lighting because it is sexier to talk about stars than depth.  Over the course of an 82 game season the teams were within one goal of each other on offence.  Therefore, Tampa Bay does not have a dramatically better ability to score goals.  The Bruins also finished higher in the standings.  To say TB is far better is a completely over-the-top remark.  The teams are close.  You are entiltled to think TB is better, but they are not a LOT better.  Why score ugli when you can score pretty?  Because they all count.  And in a tight game, sometimes that's all that comes up.  Championships are decided on the power play?  That is just a completely unfounded statement with nothing to support it.  Many factors decide a championship.  Special teams are one component.  If anything, pp's become less of a factor as referees become scared to make game-changing calls.  This should be a close, tight, defensive series like the Montreal one.  It will likely be decided by which team has more mental breakdowns.

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    [QUOTE]This debate on who has the better offense is ridiculous.  Really.   St. Louis, Gagne, Lecavalier, Stamkos, Brewer versus Krejci, Lucic, Horton, Kaberle, Chara.  There's no comparison.  That Tampa Bay power play is in a class by itself. Championships are decided on the power play.  Tampa Bay clearly has the advantage. Now Bruin appologists please go away.  Tampa outclasses our team by alot.  And if you need any more convincing, see Sandawgs link of the give and go passing that resulted in, probably, one of the playoffs prettiest goals. Why score ugly ones when you can be pretty.
    Posted by bim09[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]This post is rediculous, and I think it comes back to the point of the original poster.  People talk about the offence of the Lighting because it is sexier to talk about stars than depth.  Over the course of an 82 game season the teams were within one goal of each other on offence.  Therefore, Tampa Bay does not have a dramatically better ability to score goals.  The Bruins also finished higher in the standings.  To say TB is far better is a completely over-the-top remark.  The teams are close.  You are entiltled to think TB is better, but they are not a LOT better.  Why score ugli when you can score pretty?  Because they all count.  And in a tight game, sometimes that's all that comes up.  Championships are decided on the power play?  That is just a completely unfounded statement with nothing to support it.  Many factors decide a championship.  Special teams are one component.  If anything, pp's become less of a factor as referees become scared to make game-changing calls.  This should be a close, tight, defensive series like the Montreal one.  It will likely be decided by which team has more mental breakdowns. In Response to Re: Bolts Offense :
    Posted by OatesCam[/QUOTE]

    San Jose won because they scored a PP goal and Detroit didn't.  That is a fact.
     
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    Oates,
    Regular season stats mean absolutely nothing.  Look at some of the high end players doing nothing in the playoffs.  Sedins as a prime example.

    Last yrs highest scoring team in the league was losing 2-1 type games to a Habs team.

    I wasnt trying to make it out as a huge disadvantage b/c ultimately I still think Boston wins.  But minus Bergie our 2nd line center is Kelly.  I have always liked Kelly but a month ago not many on here wanted him on the 3rd line let alone the 2nd.  Recchi looks very slow as well.  I think Tbay does have an edge on depth for fwds.  The only reason I wanted to point that out is b/c I think this is gonna be a great series. I also think our defense with Chara can contain them. So its gonna be a great matchup. What I dislike is when people on here think the Bruins are vastily better than any team and when someone challenges that thought process"which I do a lot" I get the wildest one sided arguments on earth. To the point they are comical and make me grin.

    But regular season stats mean nothing.  TT save% during the regular seaon does not help us now! 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bolts Offense : San Jose won because they scored a PP goal and Detroit didn't.  That is a fact.
    Posted by bim09[/QUOTE]

    I don't think it's a fact. It helped, but it didn't single handedly win them the game. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bolts Offense : I don't think it's a fact. It helped, but it didn't single handedly win them the game. 
    Posted by hangnail[/QUOTE]

    You can think whatever you want all you want, fact is, Detroit produced the same amount of goals, even strength, and they lost by 1.
     
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    Yes the PP is critical to any cup run in spite of what the B's have been doing so far. They need to amp it up if they wish to move on because as they get more fatigued it is the timely PP goal which will win games. Case in point SJ last night.

    As for overall offense, depth certainly does need to be discussed because offence does not begin and end with your top three or even top six. For a team to win a cup all lines must contribute....that is just a fact.....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bolts Offense : You can think whatever you want all you want, fact is, Detroit produced the same amount of goals, even strength, and they lost by 1.
    Posted by bim09[/QUOTE]

    The PP goal was part of the win, it wasn't the reason for the win.  Niemi was better than Howard.  Zetterberg had a brutal giveaway on the 2nd goal.  Thornton was immense.  Two Wings got injured and didn't come back.
     
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    If they scored the power play goal but did not score their other goals, they would have lost.  They also would have lost if they had allowed more goals.  There are many components that go into a victory.  Thinking that only one is the reason for victory is silly.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bolts Offense : San Jose won because they scored a PP goal and Detroit didn't.  That is a fact.
    Posted by bim09[/QUOTE]
     
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    SJ won because Zetterb gave a gift to Couture for 2nd goal and on Marleau winner, Dats Filp and Holms floated back to watch him score all alone at side of net, Rafal chased the puck carrier and Kron floated more than Holms.

    PP helped but was no means the deciding factor it was scored 12 mins into first not in OT or 2 mins left in the third.
     

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