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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : BB, I couldn't believe how many folks questioned me earlier this week when I said Malkin has always been dirty. He's a kicker.
    Posted by dezaruchi

    Now why can't you stick to topics we can agree on Dez! 
     
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    There's absolutely no contradiction in saying that Crosby is the best player on the planet and that he's a whiny little dirtbag who needs to grow the f..k up.  One is a comment on his talent, the other a comment on his character.  He will never get a stitch of sympathy from me for his concussion problems because he waffled about the hit on Savard.  When the same thing happened to him, more or less, the world was outraged.  Too bad.  You had the ounce of prevention on your plate and you chose not to take it.  It would have been sad that such a great talent was taken from the game before he had fully made his mark, but you know what?  There will be another great talent.  Heck, it may end up being RNH at the rate that kid scores.

    Talent does create expectations of character, though.  Partly its the feeling the rest of us - who can only imagine what it's like to play at that level - feel when seeing someone so good complain about being hard done by.  Partly its the memory of the way Orr handled himself: modest, humble, quick to be part of the team.  You didn't see him chirp and moan (Phil took care of that, mostly).  You didn't see Bourque lobbying or making comments on the way other players played the game (except Mats Sundin, who he never forgave for taking out his knee).  Gordie Howe didn't cry.  Messier didn't cry.  Beliveau didn't cry.  Keon didn't moan (except about what an arzhole Ballard was).  Lindsay didn't moan.  Mahovolitch didn't cry...etc., etc..

    Gretzky did for years and was loathed for it - I think he learned that for Clarke as much as he did the behind the net game.  He achieved his widest appeal when he stopped whinging as much.  Lemieux was awful - maybe the best pure talent ever and absolutely the most entitled cringy baby ever, and he still is after his last public outburst.  I think it's one of those signs of how much this matters that people preferred Gretzky to Lemieux for so long in part because he learned to show more humility about the greatness of his game; I don't think Mario ever did.
     
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    That's an insult to Meeker. I found his voice annoying at times, but his analysis was far more indepth than Mcguire's has ever been and he was far more innovative as a broadcaster (bringing the telestrator into common usage in the NHL).
     
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    nite, it's boring when you and dez agree.
     
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    There's absolutely no contradiction in saying that Crosby is the best player on the planet and that he's a whiny little dirtbag who needs to grow the f..k up.  One is a comment on his talent, the other a comment on his character.  He will never get a stitch of sympathy from me for his concussion problems because he waffled about the hit on Savard.  When the same thing happened to him, more or less, the world was outraged.  Too bad.  You had the ounce of prevention on your plate and you chose not to take it.  It would have been sad that such a great talent was taken from the game before he had fully made his mark, but you know what?  There will be another great talent.  Heck, it may end up being RNH at the rate that kid scores. Talent does create expectations of character, though.  Partly its the feeling the rest of us - who can only imagine what it's like to play at that level - feel when seeing someone so good complain about being hard done by.  Partly its the memory of the way Orr handled himself: modest, humble, quick to be part of the team.  You didn't see him chirp and moan (Phil took care of that, mostly).  You didn't see Bourque lobbying or making comments on the way other players played the game (except Mats Sundin, who he never forgave for taking out his knee).  Gordie Howe didn't cry.  Messier didn't cry.  Beliveau didn't cry.  Keon didn't moan (except about what an arzhole Ballard was).  Lindsay didn't moan.  Mahovolitch didn't cry...etc., etc.. Gretzky did for years and was loathed for it - I think he learned that for Clarke as much as he did the behind the net game.  He achieved his widest appeal when he stopped whinging as much.  Lemieux was awful - maybe the best pure talent ever and absolutely the most entitled cringy baby ever, and he still is after his last public outburst.  I think it's one of those signs of how much this matters that people preferred Gretzky to Lemieux for so long in part because he learned to show more humility about the greatness of his game; I don't think Mario ever did.
    Posted by Bookboy007

    Great post.
     
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    But boy howdy was he annoying!  He wasn't without his favorites.  I don't think Salming ever made a bad play according to Howie.

    It's funny how Meeker and Cherry overlapped for such a short period of time on HNIC, with Meeker going to TSN.  It always seemed to me that Meeker's thunder had been stolen by Cherry's segments, but it may also have had something to do with Dave Hodge's departure.  Love Dave Hodge.  Every time I throw a pencil in digust, it's a tribute to Dave Hodge.
     
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    I wonder if Shanahan is keeping a file on that butt-end, the slash to Couturier's groin, the hit from behind on Boychuk - think "a pattern of borderline dangerous behaviour" will lead to the league's leading scorer taking a seat any time soon? Maybe the Canucks should lobby for it.
    Posted by Bookboy007


    Will Kunitz get away for that elbow to the head Hartnell was on the ice ?  or after that while Kunitz is pressing down on Hartnell's head ?
    If player -------- do that to player -------- we'de be hearing there will be a phone hearing tomorrow.
    You can fill in the blanks with at least 20 players.

    Has Kunitz been summoned ?
     
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    nite, it's boring when you and dez agree.
    Posted by Bookboy007

    LOL! I suppose.
     
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    That's an insult to Meeker. I found his voice annoying at times, but his analysis was far more indepth than Mcguire's has ever been and he was far more innovative as a broadcaster (bringing the telestrator into common usage in the NHL).
    Posted by red75

    My fondest Howie memory. In the early 90's when Bourque went 4 for 4 on the accuracy. The following season Howie was doing the color on TSN. Bourque was up to go again. "He got four for four last year, but he won't be doing it again folks!" Boomchukalaka! Bourque did it again & Howie was quiet for about 10 mins after. I believe Jim Houston was left to do all the talking as Howie went to burp up the crow he ate on National TV! Cry
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Yep. And I do seem to recall people hating on Gretzky for his arrogance. With superstardom comes resentment for some reaosn.
    Posted by jaywall


    Out of all the top athletes in all of sports, young and old, none are better ambassadors for their sport than Gretzky. Not sure where you got that from.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Out of all the top athletes in all of sports, young and old, none are better ambassadors for their sport than Gretzky. Not sure where you got that from.
    Posted by kelvana33

    I think where people get this from Kel is how he used to skate by the bench & scream for Semeko. Sather had it down that if Wayne did that. The closest player to the bench would skate off no matter if it was a forward or d. The cement head would come on & skate right over to whoever was harrassing Wayne. I think that's the way it should be now too! Be a lot less BS going on with regards to cheapshots! I called Semeko a cement head, but I meant that as a compliment. The guy was one of the toughest! 
     
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    That's an insult to Meeker. I found his voice annoying at times, but his analysis was far more indepth than Mcguire's has ever been and he was far more innovative as a broadcaster (bringing the telestrator into common usage in the NHL).
    Posted by red75


    You always make me laugh with points like these.  It's consistently obvious when you go with "I'll make them think the girl knows more and get more respect" and then use the web to find a response.

    I never heard Meeker, but am aware of him.  I looked him up.  His Wiki page offers this:  "He began analyzing plays in greater depth than previous colour commentators, using the telestrator to demonstrate his points."

    Pure comedy.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Yep. And I do seem to recall people hating on Gretzky for his arrogance. With superstardom comes resentment for some reaosn.
    Posted by jaywall


    Of course, back then, nobody was "hating on" anyone.

    That awful phrase came around in the 2000s.

     
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    NAS good point on using the wiki pages or research when posting or even making impromptu remarks as a color commentator, maybe Pierre can do the same next time when he comes up with an analogy of Neely and Oates as compared Crosby and "Cooke"?????  Some need a computer to recollect the old days of Howie, not sure Red is old enough to remember, on the other hand you are.  

    Book had a great analysis of Crosby.  Crosby is such a baby, I can remember he debunking the hand shaking at the end of the Pen Cups season as useless and how heavy the Cup was when skating around the ice thereafter.  He is the best in hockey, but he cannot hold a candle to Bergeron when it comes to character.  The comment on Orr was truly the best up above.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : You always make me laugh with points like these.  It's consistently obvious when you go with "I'll make them think the girl knows more and get more respect" and then use the web to find a response. I never heard Meeker, but am aware of him.  I looked him up.  His Wiki page offers this:  "He began analyzing plays in greater depth than previous colour commentators, using the telestrator to demonstrate his points." Pure comedy.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    Huh, I actually didn't. That'd be a coincidence, that somewhere in a similar paragraph we used one word that was the same and another was derivative. You always make me laugh when you go and use wikipedia to try and fact check something someone else wrote.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Out of all the top athletes in all of sports, young and old, none are better ambassadors for their sport than Gretzky. Not sure where you got that from.
    Posted by kelvana33


    You obviously never lived in Calgary or Winnipeg during the 80's. There was nothing but Gretzky hate in those places at that time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : You obviously never lived in Calgary or Winnipeg during the 80's. There was nothing but Gretzky hate in those places at that time.
    Posted by red75

    Wasn't there a play-off series where Flame fans actually had a sign up that said Edmonton has Wayne, but Calgary has Kent? Mmmphhh (Neilsson) And it wasn't too long after that Edmonton had him too. So, I'm thinking 86' he was a Flame & in 87' he was an Oiler.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Huh, I actually didn't. That'd be a coincidence, that somewhere in a similar paragraph we used one word that was the same and another was derivative. You always make me laugh when you go and use wikipedia to try and fact check something someone else wrote.
    Posted by red75


    Incorrect.  I use that site to quickly find out information.  I read that first, and then I read your copy of it.


     
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    I'm watching the Flyers vs. Penguins.  The knuckleheads are talking about Crosby and Cooke on the same line. Pierre Maguire likens it to Neely and Oates.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    Maguire is the Court Jester of commentators -- He would have been closer if he had likend Crosby and Cooke to Hall and Oates.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burn in Hell Pierre : Of course, back then, nobody was "hating on" anyone. That awful phrase came around in the 2000s.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    Oops! Busted for copying and pasting a phrase from the NHL-Street Lingo website!!

    Just kidding......

     
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    There were a million jokes about Gretzky in the early 80s, particularly around his 7UP endorsements and the jingle about feeling 7UP. 

    nite's thinking of Kent Nilsson, who probably would have preceded Nylander to the title of "The Swedish Gretzky" if he wasn't already in the league in '79-80 (and a Winnipeg Jet the year before).  They called him "the Magic Man" in Calgary, and I think you can still find a YouTube of him with either the Flames' original play by play guy Ed Whalen, current play by play guy Ron Maher, or Kent Noodles Newans where he bets him he can't hit the crossbar from the far blueline in five shots and he does it on the first.  Let the list of local Flames TV guys stand as bona fides that I saw that clip live on the 6 o'clock news....

    Mad talent, but softer than soft.  Racked up an incredible 131 points and finished third in scoring in '80-81, but only had one other 100+ point, top 10 scoring finish.  He was traded to the North Stars for the pick the Flames used to get Nieuwendyk*, who was later traded to the Stars for the pick the Flames used to get Iginla.  If I'm the Flames, I trade Iginla to the Stars next year. He went to Edmonton for "futures" and won a Cup in '87, but only played another 5-6 NHL games after that. Instead, he went to Europe where he played a year in Italy and scored 132 points in 35 games.

    *This I did get from Wikipedia
     
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    Who cares !!!!!!
     
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    I'm watching the Flyers vs. Penguins.  The knuckleheads are talking about Crosby and Cooke on the same line. Pierre Maguire likens it to Neely and Oates.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    maybe its just me being subject to only nesn broadcast during the regular season for the last how ever many years but last year during the replay of the playoffs on nhl network they alternated game feeds. so one day game 1 of(mtl,philly,or tb)series would be the versus feed then the next day would be the HNIC feed and honest nas i thought HNIC was like hockey porn. so much more effort went into the pre-inbetween periods and post game. i mean glen healey came off as a bit of a tool but i thought the rest of there so called hockey experts were right on. as for Pierre i always have seen him as fair and balanced maybe a little bit of a star butt kisser but if he did compare crosby-cooke to neely -oates then i need to rethink my thoughts of mr.Maguire.
     
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    So...breaking the original stupid statement down to it's parts, I assume
    Crosby-- />Oates and Cooke-->Neely?  The mere suggestion that Cooke can be mentioned in the same breath as Neely should be grounds for any "professional" hockey commentator to be publicly humiliated - the stocks, for sure.  I was thinking it was also a bit of a stretch to compare Oates to Crosby...then I thought about it for a minute.
    Best three seasons:
    Oates                                       Crosby
    142 Points, 45 goals                  120 points, 30 goals
    115 Points, 25 goals (61 games) 109 points, 51 goals
    112 Points, 32 goals                   103 pints, 33 goals.

    Now, sure, Oates only had one other 100 points season, and after that wrist injury, he was never the same shooter, but it's not as far fetched as it might have seemed at first, and certainly a fairer comparison than Cooke Neely.

     
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    So...breaking the original stupid statement down to it's parts, I assume Crosby-- />Oates and Cooke-- />Neely?  The mere suggestion that Cooke can be mentioned in the same breath as Neely should be grounds for any "professional" hockey commentator to be publicly humiliated - the stocks, for sure.  I was thinking it was also a bit of a stretch to compare Oates to Crosby...then I thought about it for a minute. Best three seasons: Oates                                       Crosby 142 Points, 45 goals                  120 points, 30 goals 115 Points, 25 goals (61 games) 109 points, 51 goals 112 Points, 32 goals                   103 pints, 33 goals. Now, sure, Oates only had one other 100 points season, and after that wrist injury, he was never the same shooter, but it's not as far fetched as it might have seemed at first, and certainly a fairer comparison than Cooke Neely.
    Posted by Bookboy007


    The only problem is that when Oates racked up his big seasons, others did better.  Crosby is at the top of the game. 
     
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