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    No matter how you look at the Bs play such as poor coaching, lack of offensive continuity, or poor passing our of the defensive zone, Tim Thomas is getting burned out!  If the Bs make the playoffs, Tim will be unable to match his effort the past couple months at this rate.  Time to seek a change in play to help Tim!
     
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    [QUOTE]No matter how you look at the Bs play such as poor coaching, lack of offensive continuity, or poor passing our of the defensive zone, Tim Thomas is getting burned out!  If the Bs make the playoffs, Tim will be unable to match his effort the past couple months at this rate.  Time to seek a change in play to help Tim!
    Posted by islamorada[/QUOTE]

    You beat me to it IS! I was thinking the exact same thing! Then when TT pulls a dud in the play-offs it'll be gloves off on the "get rid of TT" all summer again. The only good thing could/maybe is that Rask won't be burned out & he'll be able to carry the burden. However they have to drive to the dance first. Maybe TT & Rask won't be enough.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Burn out : You beat me to it IS! I was thinking the exact same thing! Then when TT pulls a dud in the play-offs it'll be gloves off on the "get rid of TT" all summer again. The only good thing could/maybe is that Rask won't be burned out & he'll be able to carry the burden. However they have to drive to the dance first. Maybe TT & Rask won't be enough.
    Posted by nitemare-38[/QUOTE]

    The defensemen are just not doing the job.  The CJ system has been broken.  Two man forechecks and the d to d passes go awry.  The forwards are sinking into the defensive zone to help coverage.  Thomas is saving the Bs azzes.  Play Rask more and make a trade cause Seidenberg et al are not doing the job.  There is more to say but it is afterall "December", I say cynically.  
     
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    Right on islamorada...I thought that was TT's worst showing by far last night.  He just wasn't sharp, not surprising given his workload (72% of the starts). 

    I think CJ needs to rotate Rask in with a little more frequency, with TT still getting the lion-share of the starts, but something closer to 60%-40%.

    TT has been amazing this year, need to keep him fresh.
     
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    I agree Crowls, they do need a better rotation, but its hard to do when the only reason your in games and winning is because TT is stealing games. It will come back to burn them at the end of the season. Chara is another who will be burnt out, he's shown he's much more effective with less minutes. Im not a big fan of his, but if the team is going to go anywhere these 2 are who will need to get them there

     
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    agree, agree, agree. Change is vital and it starts with clod[ Claude?]. Timmy needs some tome off and tuuka needs some time in. I noticed that Claude thinks Paille did a great job, does that show us where Claude's capabilities are??? How did you like his 3rd period cluster[ you know what] ?? The only two positive respondents were Bergie[ as always] with Seguin. This team needs a change at the top. Claude's decisions and style are just plain awful.
     
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    [QUOTE]As much as I was never a big TT fan, starting Rask more often will only mean the B's will be competing for a lottery pick pick instead of the #8 seed to make the playoffs In Response to Re: Burn out :
    Posted by Taz2424[/QUOTE]

    But would you rather them burn TT out and not make it past the first round? They cant keep playing game to game in hopes that TT will carry them. They need Rask to play and the team needs to play for Rask.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : But would you rather them burn TT out and not make it past the first round? They cant keep playing game to game in hopes that TT will carry them. They need Rask to play and the team needs to play for Rask.
    Posted by moogfan35[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely agree. The other problem with overplaying Thomas is that it becomes an enabling behavior for the rest of the team--i.e. They get used to TT stealing games for them when they play lousy in front of him and then rest on their bad habits with the feeling in the back of their minds that "Oh, Timmy will bail us out."

    Starting Rask more often will 1) sharpen Tuuka's game and keep him from getting rusty and 2) give TT some much needed rest. At this rate, if the B's do make the playoffs, he'll be too tired to stand much less stop the likes of Crosby and Ovie.

    Of course none of this will make a difference at all if the Bruins don't make major roster changes and bring someone else in to coach the team. Right now they've got as much chance at winning the Cup as Florida State has of beating the UConn Women Huskies tonight.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : Absolutely agree. The other problem with overplaying Thomas is that it becomes an enabling behavior for the rest of the team--i.e. They get used to TT stealing games for them when they play lousy in front of him and then rest on their bad habits with the feeling in the back of their minds that "Oh, Timmy will bail us out." Starting Rask more often will 1) sharpen Tuuka's game and keep him from getting rusty and 2) give TT some much needed rest. At this rate, if the B's do make the playoffs, he'll be too tired to stand much less stop the likes of Crosby and Ovie. Of course none of this will make a difference at all if the Bruins don't make major roster changes and bring someone else in to coach the team. Right now they've got as much chance at winning the Cup as Florida State has of beating the UConn Women Huskies tonight.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]


    I was thinking the same thing regarding the enabling behavior. I dont think that they need a major roster change as much as some fresh blood behind the bench. I didnt want to be one of "those" posters about firing the coach, but CJ time here seems to be done, the players hold some responsibilty to, but the HC is ultimately responsible for getting the team ready to play 60 minutes, and he hasnt done that in a long time, The coaching staff as a whole needs to go
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : I was thinking the same thing regarding the enabling behavior. I dont think that they need a major roster change as much as some fresh blood behind the bench. I didnt want to be one of "those" posters about firing the coach, but CJ time here seems to be done, the players hold some responsibilty to, but the HC is ultimately responsible for getting the team ready to play 60 minutes, and he hasnt done that in a long time, The coaching staff as a whole needs to go
    Posted by moogfan35[/QUOTE]

    No doubt the coaching needs a change, but I don't think that's going to magically fix what's wrong with this team. There is a fundamental truth that this roster is simply not as good top to bottom as many think it is.

    They've had one line that's been able to score consistently this season (Horton/Krejci/Lucic), and when they go stale, there's not much else there.

    Ryder? Wheeler? Paille? Recchi? These guys would have trouble cracking the 3rd or 4th lines of most NHL teams. Tyler's still learning the ropes and Savvy is essentially still going thru training camp. The Defense has some solid stay at home types but beyond Chara, who's ever going to pop in a goal or contribute to an offensive rush?  (Maybe Kampfer but that's asking a lot of a rookie who's played all of 7 games and almost got killed last night.)

    Yes, they'd play better--I think--under a more fiery coach and w/a better guy than Geoff ward on special teams...but there are essential lack of talent problems plaguing this team that need to be addressed should the Bruins be any kind of factor in--or even make--the playoffs.

    That's on PC now...he took the first step freeing up some cap space letting Sturm go....but Ryder/Paille/Wheeler--maybe even Mark Stuart--should follow, in order to bring in some dynamic game-changers that can help support what IS good--the centers, the goalie tandem, Chara and Seidenberg and Boychuk on D--and Lucic and Horton...and the potential for Seguin down the road....build around them and good things can happen....keep this same roster and they're headed for nothing pretty fast.
     
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    Yah I am definitely worried about Thomas's work load Rask needs to play more as he will not develop on the bench. Playoffs are what is about and Thomas is 36 so he needs some rest right now to be ready give Tuukka some more starts.

    The Bruins are 28th in the league in shots allowed per game not good.
     
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    Agree with alot of the opinions here,

    I think Claude realizes he's on the hot seat and is trying to save his bacon by over playing Thomas & Chara.  He's looking out for his own interests and not the overall good of the team.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : No doubt the coaching needs a change, but I don't think that's going to magically fix what's wrong with this team. There is a fundamental truth that this roster is simply not as good top to bottom as many think it is. They've had one line that's been able to score consistently this season (Horton/Krejci/Lucic), and when they go stale, there's not much else there. Ryder? Wheeler? Paille? Recchi? These guys would have trouble cracking the 3rd or 4th lines of most NHL teams. Tyler's still learning the ropes and Savvy is essentially still going thru training camp. The Defense has some solid stay at home types but beyond Chara, who's ever going to pop in a goal or contribute to an offensive rush?  (Maybe Kampfer but that's asking a lot of a rookie who's played all of 7 games and almost got killed last night.) Yes, they'd play better--I think--under a more fiery coach and w/a better guy than Geoff ward on special teams...but there are essential lack of talent problems plaguing this team that need to be addressed should the Bruins be any kind of factor in--or even make--the playoffs. That's on PC now...he took the first step freeing up some cap space letting Sturm go....but Ryder/Paille/Wheeler--maybe even Mark Stuart--should follow, in order to bring in some dynamic game-changers that can help support what IS good--the centers, the goalie tandem, Chara and Seidenberg and Boychuk on D--and Lucic and Horton...and the potential for Seguin down the road....build around them and good things can happen....keep this same roster and they're headed for nothing pretty fast.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]

    Paille and Ryder Ill agree they need to go, but Wheeler, im not giving up on, he did score 20 goals his rookie season and like most all players fell into a sophmore slump last year. The kid knows how to score and i think he's gripping the stick to tight and putting to much pressure on himself. He is a good 3rd line winger imo. I think with a new staff in here, they can use each guy to their strengths and allow some of these guys to be more creative, like Wheeler and Bergeron. Unfortunately for Bergy, the coach relies on him to much as a defensive specialist, he can score in this league and needs to be put with a couple guys who can skate, I would personally like to see him with Seguin and Wheels. I feel a new perspective can change a lot and give better results.
     
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    really, at this point do you even want the team to make the playoffs?
    How much more can the poor Die-Hards take? They will squeak in, and get eliminated almost right away.  A broken record every year
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : No doubt the coaching needs a change, but I don't think that's going to magically fix what's wrong with this team. There is a fundamental truth that this roster is simply not as good top to bottom as many think it is. They've had one line that's been able to score consistently this season (Horton/Krejci/Lucic), and when they go stale, there's not much else there. Ryder? Wheeler? Paille? Recchi? These guys would have trouble cracking the 3rd or 4th lines of most NHL teams. Tyler's still learning the ropes and Savvy is essentially still going thru training camp. The Defense has some solid stay at home types but beyond Chara, who's ever going to pop in a goal or contribute to an offensive rush?  (Maybe Kampfer but that's asking a lot of a rookie who's played all of 7 games and almost got killed last night.) Yes, they'd play better--I think--under a more fiery coach and w/a better guy than Geoff ward on special teams...but there are essential lack of talent problems plaguing this team that need to be addressed should the Bruins be any kind of factor in--or even make--the playoffs. That's on PC now...he took the first step freeing up some cap space letting Sturm go....but Ryder/Paille/Wheeler--maybe even Mark Stuart--should follow, in order to bring in some dynamic game-changers that can help support what IS good--the centers, the goalie tandem, Chara and Seidenberg and Boychuk on D--and Lucic and Horton...and the potential for Seguin down the road....build around them and good things can happen....keep this same roster and they're headed for nothing pretty fast.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]
    Which NHL teams would Recchi,Ryder,and Wheeler not not be able to make the 3rd or 4th lines?You claim most so this should be easy.And really,what's your point?It's not like they're anything more than 3rd liners in Boston.Who are these dynamic game changers you suggest they bring in(for guys that can't make the 3rd or 4th on most teams)?I'm sure the GM's are lining up to deal a game-changer for a bench rider.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : No doubt the coaching needs a change, but I don't think that's going to magically fix what's wrong with this team. There is a fundamental truth that this roster is simply not as good top to bottom as many think it is. They've had one line that's been able to score consistently this season (Horton/Krejci/Lucic), and when they go stale, there's not much else there. Ryder? Wheeler? Paille? Recchi? These guys would have trouble cracking the 3rd or 4th lines of most NHL teams. Tyler's still learning the ropes and Savvy is essentially still going thru training camp. The Defense has some solid stay at home types but beyond Chara, who's ever going to pop in a goal or contribute to an offensive rush?  (Maybe Kampfer but that's asking a lot of a rookie who's played all of 7 games and almost got killed last night.) Yes, they'd play better--I think--under a more fiery coach and w/a better guy than Geoff ward on special teams...but there are essential lack of talent problems plaguing this team that need to be addressed should the Bruins be any kind of factor in--or even make--the playoffs. That's on PC now...he took the first step freeing up some cap space letting Sturm go....but Ryder/Paille/Wheeler--maybe even Mark Stuart--should follow, in order to bring in some dynamic game-changers that can help support what IS good--the centers, the goalie tandem, Chara and Seidenberg and Boychuk on D--and Lucic and Horton...and the potential for Seguin down the road....build around them and good things can happen....keep this same roster and they're headed for nothing pretty fast.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]

    The Bs team has talent but the talent is either latent, developing or passed by. The defense is not talented.  Outside of Chara the team lacks skill in moving the puck.  The defensive system whereby the puck moves from d to d in the defensive zone can be neutralized by a solid forecheck.  Opposing teams pressure the Bs defense.  The passes are horizontal not vertical.  The forwards play back to compensate.  The net result is poor neutral ice play.  

    Trades can be made ot upgrade the team but the result maybe mediocrity. Richards in Dallas would be a nice pick up but it will cost picks and a centerman.  But what a gamble, the NHL CBA is not condusive to trade and sign so itt won't happen with a calculative GM.  The defense is lacking a player with skills beyond Chara's extraordinary defensive defenseman abilities.  He is not a game changer on offense, but I vehemently disagree on the assessment on his defensive play.  Without him, the Bs are out of the playoffs.  Now that said there are players that could help on defense.  

    There are those on here who are blinded by the regular season success (parity makes boring hockey imo). The team cannot move out of the playoffs without asundry excuses, like the continual injury excuses if Krejci wasn't hurt, Seidenberg could have played, Savard wasn't pcs etc.  Philly dumped 1st round picks, traded decent players and guess what the team is emerging from the doldrums circa five years ago.  Change can come from making moves on the edge of the cap, Philly is the example.  Management courage is better than the flat lined play of the past month or so.  If not then start criticism of the coach and motivation.  The players are included in that remark.  

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : The Bs team has talent but the talent is either latent, developing or passed by. The defense is not talented.  Outside of Chara the team lacks skill in moving the puck.  The defensive system whereby the puck moves from d to d in the defensive zone can be neutralized by a solid forecheck.  Opposing teams pressure the Bs defense.  The passes are horizontal not vertical.  The forwards play back to compensate.  The net result is poor neutral ice play.   Trades can be made ot upgrade the team but the result maybe mediocrity. Richards in Dallas would be a nice pick up but it will cost picks and a centerman.  But what a gamble, the NHL CBA is not condusive to trade and sign so itt won't happen with a calculative GM.  The defense is lacking a player with skills beyond Chara's extraordinary defensive defenseman abilities.  He is not a game changer on offense, but I vehemently disagree on the assessment on his defensive play.  Without him, the Bs are out of the playoffs.  Now that said there are players that could help on defense.   There are those on here who are blinded by the regular season success (parity makes boring hockey imo). The team cannot move out of the playoffs without asundry excuses, like the continual injury excuses if Krejci wasn't hurt, Seidenberg could have played, Savard wasn't pcs etc.  Philly dumped 1st round picks, traded decent players and guess what the team is emerging from the doldrums circa five years ago.  Change can come from making moves on the edge of the cap, Philly is the example.  Management courage is better than the flat lined play of the past month or so.  If not then start criticism of the coach and motivation.  The players are included in that remark.  
    Posted by islamorada[/QUOTE]

    Totally agree, inc. Chara--he's an excellent presence in the pure defensive sense and they need him (he can also pop in PP goals w/his shot & sometimes via the backdoor feed).

    At this point given that they are not going to get much in return for the guys who they should let go b/c they're getting them nowhere (Ryder/Wheeler/Paille/recchi), why not trade for prospects and grow the team for the future? This year is a bust playoff-wise--it should be obvious by now. Free up cap space and plan for the future to build around Seguin, etc.

    I hate having to do that b/c the B's have been "planning for the future" since 1972, but what other choice is there? The team is sub-par.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Burn out : Totally agree, inc. Chara--he's an excellent presence in the pure defensive sense and they need him (he can also pop in PP goals w/his shot & sometimes via the backdoor feed). At this point given that they are not going to get much in return for the guys who they should let go b/c they're getting them nowhere (Ryder/Wheeler/Paille/recchi), why not trade for prospects and grow the team for the future? This year is a bust playoff-wise--it should be obvious by now. Free up cap space and plan for the future to build around Seguin, etc. I hate having to do that b/c the B's have been "planning for the future" since 1972, but what other choice is there? The team is sub-par.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]

    I agree with most of today's posts, and also with what you say.
    However my question is,  if coaching is the problem, then how do we really know if the team has enough talent or not.
    If CJ is the obstacle to this team's development, why would you destroy your line-up and trade for something else to continue on the same CJ groove.
    The picture in the Globe today tells the story. No player is excited to play. Why i am not sure, but CJ must be asking himself that question, if he hasn't yet.
    IMO, if he had any b^*lls he should offer to re-sign, nevermind be fired.
     
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    No doubt the coaching needs a change, but I don't think that's going to magically fix what's wrong with this team. There is a fundamental truth that this roster is simply not as good top to bottom as many think it is.

    TTB. I can't fully agree with this. I can't because we haven't seen this team at it's best yet! Even the 8-1 thrashing of the Bolts didn't show it. I hate bringing this up again because it's becoming old hat. That Dallas game from 2 seasons ago is a COMPLETE hockey team. That team did e-thing that a great team does. From top to bottom. From the goalie to the forwards. With the exception of Hnidy all those players that were involved ARE still on this hockey team. That team had it all & did it all! There's no excuse & no reason that this team lost that gumption, that drive & determination. The players just have to WANT it! They didn't need CJ to tell them what to do! They saw what was going on & made a statement & said "Naw, naw! Not on my watch & not in this house boy!"
    What's missing from this team is NOT talent! They don't need to be Detroit, Washington, Pittsburgh or Chicago! They just need to be Boston!
     
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