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    Chara is the most valuable player to any team in the league.  i like they are using Krug on the pp over chara.  Keeps him fresh for big saves late in a closing game.  

     

     




    True but there's more to it than that, Krug moves the puck quickly and has a knack for finding little openings for shots. I don't want to say he's better on the PP, he's just more efficient.

     

     



    I think chara stinks on the pp.  a little torts for you.  Ive never liked chara on the pp. he isnt slick with the puck, he never hits the net and it wears him down.  Krug is better with the puck, hits the net and has that ability to delay long enough then shoot.  Krug also isnt needed for the matchup game.   Im thrilled krug has taken his place.  It makes chara that much better when we need it.  Chara was diving around like a 20 year old in the final minute.  

     

     



    You also brought up something I forgot to mention and that's Krug's ability to hold the puck and delay the pass till something opens. 

     

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    Hes very creative out there.  Hes a darn good dman who battles and can skate.   

     
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    Chara's the ideal foundation for a great playoff TEAM. It would be more fun to watch a Letang orn in the r Karlssoeg season but come playoff time Z's the man you want. Standing still he can cover about a 30 ft radius with his wing span and stick length, it's ridiculous how often that factor breaks up a play. The wing span comes in handy for snagging last second open net opportunities too, incredible!

    The 2nd powerplay unit is where he belongs though. Keep Krug on the 1st unit, He's obviously much better and it spreads the minutes around.



    I'd argue Karlsson is just as important if not more to his team come playoff time. You still need to score more goals than your opponent. He's a game changer, doesnt matter if that game is in October or June, he's very good at what he does.

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    I like Karlsson's game too but I'll take Chara over him for a playoff run anytime

     
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    I can't think of another defenseman who can control another team's stars to the extent that Z does. This club isn't a legit contender without him. He has the most unique skill set and physical attributes for a DMan that the league has seen in many years. And the notion that it's only because he is big and strong is nonsense.

    The B's are incredibly lucky to have him and we're incredibly lucky to be able to watch what a true shutdown DMan can do in the post season. If anyone can name a DMan other than Chara they would rather have logging 25+ a night in the playoffs, they're either homers, haters, or just plain dumb.

    Wouldn't you agree, Mitchco98?

     

     

     

     

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    that's fine, but that's my point. Karlsson may be exciting to watch and everything, but his value is nothing compared to Chara's. I hate what the Norris has become, I think this post season has shown (small sample size, but it's given us some evidence) that puck moving d men just aren't as important as a big strong, shut down guy.

     

     

     

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    I dont think i agree.  And i dont think you can compare.  Gill is a big shut down guy, orpik is and so on.  In todays game if you cant skate and move the puck you are becoming extinct.  Chara can move for a big man...he can cough the puck up on occasion but is very good at moving the puck.  

     

    Karlsson bc of his skating, puck moving can do things chara cant.  Chara bc of his massive size and skill can do things no one in the league can.  

    If you look at the elite dmen in the league....most can skate effortlessly.  Keith, drew, letang, pk, karlsson etc etc etc.   The game has never seen a guy like chara.  But once you remove him from your small sample size argument who do you have?   

    dont get me wrong...you need some stay at home types who can defend your yard.  But the league is about mobile dmen.   i dont think pitts goalie was the issue.  I think it was their back end.  Letang was terrible that series, so was eaton, murray, niskanen, martin.  I also thought orpik wasnt his usual self.  

    I think you need a nice blend.  

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    Okay, so if you look at the guys like PK and Karlsson, they can do things that guys like keith and Chara can't. I agree. but the things that those guys can do that guys like Chara and Keith can't, in my opinion, are a fraction as important as the things Chara and Keith can do that guys like PK and Karlsson can't do. Here is a list of all the playoff teams and whether their number 1 d man would be considered a mover, or a guy with shut down capability (if you're both, that's fine, but my point is those guys need to have the shut down capability)

    1. Pittsburgh - puck mover (out)

    2. Montreal - puck mover (out)

    3. Washington - puck mover (out)

    4. Boston - shut down (still playing) 

    5. Toronto - I think Phaneuf is more of an offensive guy than a shut down guy? he isn't good at either though (out)

    6. NYR - shut down capable (out)

    7. Ottawa - puck mover (out)

    8. NYI - puck mover (out)

    9. Chicago - shut down capable (still playing)

    10. Anaheim - puck mover (out)

    11. Vancouver - puck mover (out)

    12. st louis - shut down capable (out)

    13. LA - shut down capable (still playing)

    14. San Jose - (moving burns up was a bad idea imo) puck mover (out)

    15. Detroit - shut down capable (out)

    16. Minnesota - shut down capable (out)

     

    note: not saying that the guys listed as puck movers are the typical "puck moving defensemen," but more that their game isn't predicated on being able to shut down the opposition. 

     
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    Last week on Hockey Central At Noon, Doug MacLean said that he couldn't understand why Chara wasn't nominated for the Norris.  Kypreos replied that he had an off year.  MacLean came back with something like: "I don't care if he had an off year, he's still better than Subban, Letang and Suter.  I don't care which one isn't nominated, and I don't care who wins, but Chara should be nominated".

     
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    All the posts are on the money I can't add anything what everybody said is 100% correct. 

     

     
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    that's fine, but that's my point. Karlsson may be exciting to watch and everything, but his value is nothing compared to Chara's. I hate what the Norris has become, I think this post season has shown (small sample size, but it's given us some evidence) that puck moving d men just aren't as important as a big strong, shut down guy.

     

     

     

     

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    I dont think i agree.  And i dont think you can compare.  Gill is a big shut down guy, orpik is and so on.  In todays game if you cant skate and move the puck you are becoming extinct.  Chara can move for a big man...he can cough the puck up on occasion but is very good at moving the puck.  

     

    Karlsson bc of his skating, puck moving can do things chara cant.  Chara bc of his massive size and skill can do things no one in the league can.  

    If you look at the elite dmen in the league....most can skate effortlessly.  Keith, drew, letang, pk, karlsson etc etc etc.   The game has never seen a guy like chara.  But once you remove him from your small sample size argument who do you have?   

    dont get me wrong...you need some stay at home types who can defend your yard.  But the league is about mobile dmen.   i dont think pitts goalie was the issue.  I think it was their back end.  Letang was terrible that series, so was eaton, murray, niskanen, martin.  I also thought orpik wasnt his usual self.  

    I think you need a nice blend.  

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    Okay, so if you look at the guys like PK and Karlsson, they can do things that guys like keith and Chara can't. I agree. but the things that those guys can do that guys like Chara and Keith can't, in my opinion, are a fraction as important as the things Chara and Keith can do that guys like PK and Karlsson can't do. Here is a list of all the playoff teams and whether their number 1 d man would be considered a mover, or a guy with shut down capability (if you're both, that's fine, but my point is those guys need to have the shut down capability)

    1. Pittsburgh - puck mover (out)

    2. Montreal - puck mover (out)

    3. Washington - puck mover (out)

    4. Boston - shut down (still playing) 

    5. Toronto - I think Phaneuf is more of an offensive guy than a shut down guy? he isn't good at either though (out)

    6. NYR - shut down capable (out)

    7. Ottawa - puck mover (out)

    8. NYI - puck mover (out)

    9. Chicago - shut down capable (still playing)

    10. Anaheim - puck mover (out)

    11. Vancouver - puck mover (out)

    12. st louis - shut down capable (out)

    13. LA - shut down capable (still playing)

    14. San Jose - (moving burns up was a bad idea imo) puck mover (out)

    15. Detroit - shut down capable (out)

    16. Minnesota - shut down capable (out)

     

    note: not saying that the guys listed as puck movers are the typical "puck moving defensemen," but more that their game isn't predicated on being able to shut down the opposition. 

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    Again, chara is a beast and one of a kind player.  If up by a goal i want him on the ice.  And yes i want him shutting down the other teams top guys.  I dont want the puck movers doing this.  I want them to have the shut down guy on them.  The league from a dmans pt of view is to be very mobile, physical with the ability to move the puck.  Elite dmen can do this and play pk and pp.  

    drew doughty is my mr everything dman as is shea weber.  the under the radar guy is mcdonough in nyr.  

    without chara we would be up shi t creek and ive said this for a long time.  But if you cant skate and move the puck you wont play in the nhl.  

    This is what i think team canadas def will look like.   Drew/keith/weber/peitrangelo/pk/letang

    the 1 st four are do it all guys.  Pk/letang not so great in own end but learning.   Amazing on offensive side and skating.  

     
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    He is the best defensemen in the NHL. Anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out insane. I don't care that Karlsson can put up a point a game, I don't care that Subban has a ridiculous one timer. That style d man just doesn't have half the impact on a game that chara does. 

     

     



    CHARA is to hockey defense what 'DOC' EMRICK is to hockey play-by-play; the BEST in the business! for what he does, he's the BRUINS' most important non-goalie player on the ice.

     

     

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    I don't think I've ever seen Chara more insulted. Doc Emrick is one of the most overrated announcers in sports history. His screaming at anything directed to the goal as if it were the greatest save or shot in NHL history every shot, missing actual saves and blocks, blowing players names, and his constant references to obscure minor league hockey teams along with his poor attempt often at humor drives me insane. When Dave Strater is on, at least I feel like I'm hearing a hockey broadcast. I hate Jack Edwards for being way over the top, but at least I think he has a grip on the players names more. But he goes way too far in praising opposing team's players for a home announcer. Jiggs McDonald, Bob Miller, the late Dan Kelly, the late Danny Galivan--now those were/are hockey announcers with passion, strong voices, authority. Emrick got the NHL gig a long time ago, and it's time he gives it up. Really hate that I have to hear his voice on the 11 Cup broadcast.

     
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    I like the references to the minors and CHL teams, but that's more Pierre than Emerick.

    Everything else is brutal.  His whiney old lady voice is sheer misery.

     
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    not a shot, god that voice drives me insane...agreed.

     

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