Chiarelli's last stand?

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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli's last stand? : No, no. I am talking about the year before when they backed into the 8th spot and showed promise for the 2008/2009 season when they eventually ran roughshod, again, mostly because of Thomas's Vezina play.
    Posted by BBReigns

    I'll say that everyone played up to their potential that year(rather than overachieved).I'm a glass half-full kind of guy.
     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli's last stand? : Umm, the only ones going back and forth are the ones with the homer goggles on. I didn't ask for you to agree or pretend what I have written here is somehow not accurate. Agree to disagree. You and others are the ones who don't like saying the facts written on the board, apparently. I asked this before, but I'll ask you directly since I don't think you answered it the other day (if you did, my mistake): How much time are you going to Chia/Julien?   2012?  2015? 
    Posted by BBReigns

    I'm willing to give both as much time as it takes for a more viable option to come along.
     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli's last stand? : Not true. I said he's been better than O'Connell.  I think his drafts are very spotty, if not questionable. It's a good thing he fleeced Burke on the Kessel botch, because just a year later he was telling us how great his draft pick was. Someone posted a thread here recently showing the return he got on trades and I agree he has done well there. Very well. But, you can't do it in just on area. It all has to be good (drafts, trades and allocation of funds). He's good at one of these things, in my opinion. I am not enamored with Ryder, Ference or the return on Horton so far. I feel he's overpaid or overrated these players, which then causes him to scramble around every year trying to patch the holes. Part of the issue is how bad it was. O'Connell was so bad out of the Lock Out, anything better than that seems great.
    Posted by BBReigns


    How long have you been reading posts in this forum?  I ask, because in my case I don't view those as overpayments anymore due to Bookboy.  Consider Ference, for instance.  I thought it was too much for him, too, but if you actually look at contracts around the league (which Bookboy did and posted) rather than go by what you think players are worth, you find that he was given pretty much the going rate for a player of Ference's background.
     
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    Everything is about risk.  I think the justification (at least in his head) that Chiarelli had with both Ryder and Horton is that they looked like they should be good matches for Savard.  Ryder, for whatever reason, didn't work out.  That was a big risk that never panned, but if Ryder had been really awful he could have been sent to the AHL.  Sadly, we may never find out if Savard and Horton would have worked out.

    As for Stuart vs Ference, straight-up I would take Ference.  I think, overall, he brings more to the table.  For Ference at $2.25M or Stuart at $1.675M, I think it is a toss-up.  
     
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    There is nothing cliched about the importance of the GM in the cap era. Nothing. What Theo Epstein does with an easier playing field, Danny Ainge having success or someone like Belichick who understands value and hot allocate funding correctly, drafting, etc, Chiarelli hasn't proven this yet in this town. In other words, we haven't seen the results.  Posted by BBReigns


    So Epstien won with Dan Duquette's talent, Belichick (your spelling not mine) won with Parcell's drafting and Ainge won with Pitino's talent. You certainly don't understand the caps are different from league to league and you did wonder over from another board(s).

    Typical....bring up the Thornton trade, bring up the last cup in 1972, bring up how cheap Jacobs is, how ornery Sinden was, compare the other GMs in Boston to Chiarelli apples and oranges cliche wonderer of other boards on this site.

    Go Yets!, Go Yets!, Go Yets!
     
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    At least I know what a paragraph is. When you converse with someone off this board, do you just rattle off a few words or do you use sentences and breaks in between each topic with a paragraph? Quite frankly, I could care less who agrees with me or not. It's my opinion. There is nothing cliched about the importance of the GM in the cap era. Nothing. What Theo Epstein does with an easier playing field, Danny Ainge having success or someone like Belichick who understands value and hot allocate funding correctly, drafting, etc, Chiarelli hasn't proven this yet in this town. In other words, we haven't seen the results. According to fans like you, it's a can't miss recipe, right? There, 6 paragraphs, 7 if you count this sentence.
    Posted by BBReigns

    What? Please don't compare leagues. Each has different caps (Baseball non existent) and revenue streams. If you consider the facts, the Boston Bruins have been spending to the limit each year since the advent of the new CBA. 

    The Delaware North organization has built a garden without public support unlike many other NHL organizations in North America.  The Celtics are tenants.  So, if Jacobs decides not to send a player like Schaeffer to the minors and do a buy out, he was just being prudent.  

    The current management team has made choices including the coaching staff to build the Boston Bruins into contenders. Look at the number of teams who have reached the second round of the playoffs in the past 5 years.  This year the Bs are legitimate Stanley Cup contenders with the recent trades.

    The team still has a number of excellent young players on the Bs and in the pipeline from the AHL, Canadian juniors and US colleges and universities.  Up until recently most publications rate their young prospects as tops in the NHL by comparison to other teams.

    Many have written to make you understand that your argument is not valid.  The Boston Bruins are contenders in a time of parity and no real dynasties. The jury is not out on Chiarelli any more.  He has made his mark.  The Stanley Cup would be the best of congratulations. 

    Lastly, writing in a paragraphs keeps the topic under one thought.  The topic sentence is the first sentence.  The following sentences are supportive sentences. The last sentence if necessary is either a conclusion or it is a transition to the next paragraph.  If one was to have a conversation in a public area on these subjects one of two things would happen. One the conversation would not be long for yes people don't usually speak in length on one subject unless at work. Two people will have a long conversation that fully explains their point of view like one would write a well constructed paragraph. So writing in long paragraphs is to make a point.  Spaces between sentences only makes the reading easier.

    You seem like a good fan.  Why do you think many are bothering to spell out their views here?  
     
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    Re: Chiarelli's last stand?

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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli's last stand? : The dynasties are/were Det and NJ.  There is parity, but it's also more difficult to build a winner. Hence, why my premise was formed.  A top notch GM is needed to win.  Chiarelli is not a winner. Not yet anyway. I find it awfully bizarre that you are more interested in the Bruins farm system or recent trade reactions v.s the result of seeing a Cup in Boston again. I don't get it. It's like you are more interested in other team's accolades of some good trades that MAY bring a Cup here, but actually seeing it happen is irrelevant. In my opinion, Chia has parred some holes, but he needs to have these moves justified as birdies, in order to win the round.  That's about as close to a metaphor as I can get. You are sold, I am not.
    Posted by BBReigns


    I will agree to disagree, just remember there are degrees in the two poles of thinking regarding Chiarelli. I think they are a lot more closer this year.  You want proof like winning a Cup. We are not far off in thinking me thinks. 

    As for the farm system etc., the only way to stay cap compliant in the New NHL is to have an influx of young players who are considered to be top notch hockey players.  Chiarelli is exceling at that while building a team. Detriot is the only team that has been really been able to do that in the last several years.  It is not bizarre to think that is a positive.  I had for a motto under my avatar for quite a while labeled, "Give me the Cup".  I would like to see Patrice Bergeron skate around the ice with it in his hands.  

    Oh btw, I dislike the ownership immensely, I dislike CJ's adherence to postional defensive hockey, Ryder is getting on my nerves like Wideman and imo Neely needs to be a force in the front office.   Constructive criticsim means one has to think of deficencies in the team play and yes negativity.  

    Keep posting.  Cheers!  Go Bruins! 
     
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