posted at 8/30/2012 11:24 AM EDT
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[QUOTE]Rather than making a list which is actually pretty redundant since so many of you have listed the ones I like, I'll throw out a few outliers for me. Never liked Shawshank much and people have always been up in arms over that. Just didn't get it. It's sort of a tired premise stolen from The Fugitive (and others) of the falsely accused good guy. Totally unrealistic characters and dialogue in prison. A perfectly evil warden for everyone to hate. And a wonderfully happy, while totally unrealistic, ending. Huge components of that ending go unexplained (how heck would they both get to a beach in Mexico?). What happens next? They just hang out on the beach? How do they eat?. Ahh, nevermind, I could go on forever. Tim Robbins stupid grin during the beer drinking scene drives me nuts too. Apologies to everyone who loves it. Maybe ipot can educate me on what I'm missing. As for movies I love that haven't been listed yet -- one old one, one new one: The Sting - loved it and could watch forever. Best soundtrack ever. American Beauty - just loved this movie. Spacey and Benning are fantastic. Chris Cooper too.
Posted by Fletcher1
You make some good points about Shawshank, fletcher. And although I agree with you on the idea that the way it's constructed does go against realism, etc., I fall in that category of - whenever it's on I get glued into it. What I think about Shawshank's appeal has more to do with its messages, themes, and the idea that it plays more on a mythological level, rather than a realistic one. It's kind of how we suspend our disbelief at action/adventure films to get to the moral - in this case it's a prison tale.....I dunno.
But, both American Beauty
and The Sting
are great American movies.
I just watched There Will Be Blood
again. That is a bona fide recent classic, imo.
What's up with all of you?! No love for Slap Shot
?! A complete hoot when I was a kid, and still one of the greatest sports films ever made. There's more to it than the zany comedy; it hits the right notes as a drama about middle-age and "working class" struggle. Paul Newman was great in it. [/QUOTE]
I hear ya on Shawshank ipot and I have watched it several times, so it must be entertaining on some level.
I'm happy to throw away realism and enjoy mythical themes or fantasy in movies, I just find it much easier when the characters, dialogue, and premises of the movie are more grounded in reality, or are at least more relatableand complex. I think Shawshank suffers from a very simple character development (pure good vs. pure evil) and then mixes in other themes that are kind of the low-hanging fruit of appeal to the viewer (falsely accused heroic main character, the perfect interracial friendship, a wickedly evil authority figure, endlessly humble and kind 'prisoners', and the triumph in the happy ending that whistles past so many basic impracticalities etc.). To each his own, but I find it annoying when the viewer is guided so overtly towards one possible feeling and outcome. We love Andy and Red; we hate the warden.
With all of the Paul Newman talk and prison talk, how about some love for Cool Hand Luke? Now that was a character full of flaws and complexities that was still redeeming. He's no saint like Andy Duffrane, but you end up rooting for him anyhow. No happy ending either...I loved it.