Re: Did the B's Get Enough for Seguin?
posted at 2/2/2015 7:05 PM EST
In response to OatesCam's comment:
I like the talent they got back and it may have been the best possible deal. But I don't think cyling in young high-end talent means you can't contend. I'm suggesting you use those guys as third liners while you contend. Seguin was able to play a limited but valuable role in the cup run, and he was a useful piece in the trip to the finals. Pastrnak looks like he could fill a similar role now. Moving Seguin for two real nice prospects could be a great way to round out the lineup, and you use the money saved to sign free agents to man the top lines. The Bruins core is DK/PB/BM/ML. Free agent signings could have been used to fill the top RW spots as they did with singing Iginla, and you can contend while recycling young talent and keeping the rest of the roster cheap. Occasionally you may hit a home run like the Bruins did with Hamilton and he becomes a new part of your core. If a player has flaws, you swap him for something younger again.
But I'm not bashing the Segin deal at all. Smith has turned into a fabulous low-cost option for 1st or 2nd line RW. You have to give Bruins major credit for scouting him. If Morrow can be a top-4 D that will look real good. And Eriksson is a very, very good hockey player. I'm just saying I would, even as a contender, have dealt for a younger, more talented prospect than Smith, and found my Eriksson type player through free agency.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but what about another scenario.
I'll start my ramble re the hi-lited above. Hamilton.
Not sure what Hamiltons cap hit is...but I think it's substantial due to easy bonus thresholds. Regardless, when mentioning his name..., everything said, inferred, hoped for......is all based on the hype surrounding a top 10 pick. So far, Hamilton has been anything but a "home run' imo. His "real' contribution, could easily be replaced for very little money. The guy drafted in the back of round 2....whose done exactly what Hamilton has....hardly ever gets mentioned to this point.(not saying he won't be great, but he's been easily replaceable to this point)
Many of these high draft picks are like UFA's and deadline aquisitions. Too damn much money, and too much bother.
And I don't think most of these young hot dogs are capable of doing the type of things that 3rd liners are meant to do. Be a low risk 40 second investment. Lots of guys out there for around 2.5 mil and less, that will give a team better value.
I'm almost thinking the other way. If I'm Washington, I'm pretty much convinced, Ovi is worth more to me as a bargaining chip...than he is a player, and that's not a knock against a guy I usually knock. I'll say the same about Crosby. I think it's a slam dunk, that Pittsburgh could improve their team, by trading him.
And Edmonton. I think they could have got much more on draft day for 'any' of these 'can't miss' disappointments they're currently employing, and they'd be much further along in the rebuilding had they dealt them. Just imagine the haul Edmonton could have harvested, had they put the word out, that Hall was available(see Lindross). I don't think "youngness" has anything to do with it. You've got to keep replenishing, but putting too much emphasis on that, and in youth in general, is a mistake imo.
People bash Paille. I think he's great where he's pigeon holed. But he is a former 1st rounder who was absolute trouble, until the industry actually figured out where he really fit.
That wasn't necessarily his fault. He's a gamer. He gives it. He just doesn't have the hands, or the IQ it takes to dominate at the mens level. The team that drafts him beats their head against the wall, wastes resources then gives up. Not because he can't play at the NHL level, but because he's a disappointemnt. A first rounder who didn't end up being the second coming. The Bruins swoop in and get great value, with no headache. They weren't blinded by the hype that always comes with these guys.
With these high picks, teams are deluded into feeling they have something special. Many 1st round picks aren't, and most of those that are, are hopelessly over valued.
IMO, all things being equal...I want lots of "s'perience" sprinkled with a bit of youthful exuberance.
Winning today is all about value. There are multiple ways to get players you may covet, but it all really comes down to how much they need to be paid. Placing anything above that reality, ups the chances it could be a poor deal.