Ference Hearing

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    I gave a concussion literally the exact same way in a HS game. A forward did the exact same thing looked the other way and skated right into my shoulder. Of course I leaned into it like Ference did thats just natural reaction when all of a sudden you see something about to crash into you.

    In my case play was stopped Refs pulled me over towards the box talked and gave no call. Of course I felt horrid kid coudlnt even get up but I knew it wasnt my fault just like this isnt ference's fault.

    A suspension would be a travesty.
     
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    Ok, so I will go ballistic if these idiots claim this is a suspendable hit. Ference did not initiate contact and wasn't even looking in Halpern's direction. Period. It's a fact. He also did not extend any arm or shoulder, leave his feet or show any form of intent. I am assuming this is a hearing to warn him and nothing more, but you never know with the arbitrary rulings of Campbell's office. Ference had a great series and if the NHL tries to do something Draconian here, it will be another decision that shows a clear anti-Boston bias (for some reason) in the NHL front office. Mind you, Poiliot left his feet with a reckless elbow at Boychuk's head earlier in this series with no punishment. Diving and embellishing hits does not mean it's a suspendable play.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    I hope for the same but you have to admit Ference knew what what he was doing. He moved his body ever so slightly to his right. Not saying there should be a suspension but  it was a bit hypocritical of Ference after calling out Paille earlier this year.
    Now having said that, I can totally understand Ference taking advantage of the opportunity to 'mistakingly' get in the guys way given the diving exhibition put on all series by the Habs. And I loved his finger to the Montreal crowd!!!
     
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    I gave a concussion literally the exact same way in a HS game. A forward did the exact same thing looked the other way and skated right into my shoulder. Of course I leaned into it like Ference did thats just natural reaction when all of a sudden you see something about to crash into you. In my case play was stopped Refs pulled me over towards the box talked and gave no call. Of course I felt horrid kid coudlnt even get up but I knew it wasnt my fault just like this isnt ference's fault. A suspension would be a travesty.
    Posted by I-Like-Hockey

    Excellent analysis.... any suspension would be a joke after the beating Marchand took in front of the net by Subban in game 6.  Ference plays on the edge no doubt, these guys should look more closely how the games are played in the western conference.  Some of those boarding, and charging incidents are egregious!

     
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    Orrandpapi...what the? ference stayed in the lane he was in, halpern(?) skated into him! he braced for an impact he knew was coming, and the opponent did not. should he have said "excuse me", and tip-toed out of the way? really? what exactly was ference supposed to do? please let us know what skating manuever he should have used to avoid someone skating into HIM? is hitting still allowed in hockey? no elbow, no high stick, not at the head, arms down, didn't leave his feet, not blindside, not from behind..... are guys really going to get punishment for being RUN INTO? this line gets blurrier and blurrier everyday. thank you sidney crosby. 

     
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    JR said it best. Halpern knew exactly what he was doing. He laid dead on the ice for five seconds trying to sell it. Ference did what any good tough as nails guy would do and welcome the contact. He said he did the right thing.
     
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    Yeah, its BS.  If there is a hearing, Ference will be suspended.  They wouldnt have one otherwise.

    I guess now you can skate along at a slow pace, in your own lane, and a guy can line you up, turn and tip his head into you and act dead trying to draw a penalty.  When there IS no penalty called, the trainers escort you to the room for you 15 minutes.  When the other team scores to break a tie in the remaining minutes of a game 7, you can NOW come out of the room and play fine.  Can someone say DIVE!!!!!!

    Ference shouldnt have a hearing, the Habs organization should for all the diving, and then the refs who blew those last 2 games should, and be told why theyll never ref again.  F*cking joke.
     
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    I think this is (SHOULD be) a non-issue.  If Lucic's hit on Spacek doesn't warrant a suspension then I fail to see how this incident could be deemed a suspendable act.

    Mind you, this is the NHL so things like smarts and logics n' stuff go right out the window, so....prepare for possible arbitrary NHL justice
     
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    Orrandpapi...what the? ference stayed in the lane he was in, halpern(?) skated into him! he braced for an impact he knew was coming, and the opponent did not. should he have said "excuse me", and tip-toed out of the way? really? what exactly was ference supposed to do? please let us know what skating manuever he should have used to avoid someone skating into HIM? is hitting still allowed in hockey? no elbow, no high stick, not at the head, arms down, didn't leave his feet, not blindside, not from behind..... are guys really going to get punishment for being RUN INTO? this line gets blurrier and blurrier everyday. thank you sidney crosby. 
    Posted by adkbeesfan


    My perception - he almost stayed in his lane, slight shift to his right. I think he should have done almost exactly what he did (minus the slight shift). By saying he was hypocritical I wasn't inferring he did anything wrong last night, but rather that this game is fast and dangerous and shi!t happens, Paille may not have intended his hit to be dangerous and a teammate shouldn't hang him out to dry.
     
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    Let's be serious. Ference clearly intended to make contact with Halpern. There's no doubt he wanted to give Halpern a shot. You're delusional if you think Ference was innocently standing there and was aghast when the players came close.

    However, as I said in a different thread, this whole thing is ludicrous. If I'm Ference, and I'm playing in a Game 7, midway thru the 3rd in a tie game, I do the EXACT...SAME...THING.

    I'm all for cleaning up the game and getting rid of headshots. But there are headshots and there are things like this. Anyone who wants to claim that this isn't part of the game needs to pick a new sport to watch.
     
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    I think Ference did it on purpose.  I've done the same thing many times.  Lean just a bit to clip a guy who's passing by, and then never even turn around to look back, as though you didn't even notice the contact.  Of course he did it on purpose.

    That said, I just don't think it's that bad.  It's interference.  I don't think he targeted the head, there was no elbow, didn't leave his feet, etc.  I don't know on what grounds you can really suspend the guy.  I'd be angry if I were Halpern, but at the same time, those little clips behind the play happen a lot.

    Maybe he'll get a cumulative penalty for the finger and now this, but on it's own, I don't think it calls for a suspension (and I'm almost always wrong on these rulings, so a suspension it is).
     
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    Mike Murphy VP of operations has a good track record so far with his rulings he's been fair. I say I have faith I'm confident because Colin is not ruling on it.

    To me it's pretty sad to watch players like Subban, Spacek and Halpern look so bad trying to sell hits like that it takes away from how well the Shabs played in this series but then again they do where toilet seats.
     
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    Ference definitely intended to hit him, but so did Halpern and for the sole intention of drawing a penalty, aka DIVING!  I CAN NOT, for the life of me, figure out why so many people cant admit the Habs are the biggest bunch of divers going.

    Had they NOT dove as much as they did in this series, they could have won it.  The go-ahead-goal for Boston was on a dive.  Habs were tied, why try to dive and get on a PP, JUST so you can try to score and win.  They also TIED it on an embellishment.  Give me a break already. 

    I know people up here who are HOCKEY fans, like myself, but root for the Habs.  They HATE the diving and BS that some of the players do and they admit it every time I see them.  Those guys I have respect for. 

     
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    Yeah, that youtube clip shows just how bad of a dive it was.  What a complete joke.  Halpern should get a 2 game suspension to start next season.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ference Hearing : you must have been watching a different game, ference was barley moving halpern skated into him, there should have been an interfernce call on halpern or delay of game for embellishing and diving the video speaks for itself!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiQUe1tfqM
    Posted by TheRealHomer


    You chose the correct screen name.
     
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    http://www.nesn.com/2011/04/jack-edwards-diving-is-a-crisis-in-the-nhl-canadiens-are-most-egregious-offenders.html

    Jack's take...
     
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    you folks should go to the TSN website and see whhat all the morons are posting about this, they are comparing ference to matt coke
    Posted by TheRealHomer



    Been on TSN all morning; most of the post are "pro-ferrence."  Sure there are negative post, calling the Bs a bunch of goons; but those are receiving the most "thumbs down".
     
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    Totally intentional.  Suspendable.  No way.  Halpren took that little skate around Thomas during the T.V. time out.  Ference sent him a message.  That's NHL hockey. 
     
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    If Dave Steckel did not get suspended for his hit on Crosby then neither will Ference for this......end of story...
     
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    Let's be serious. Ference clearly intended to make contact with Halpern. There's no doubt he wanted to give Halpern a shot. You're delusional if you think Ference was innocently standing there and was aghast when the players came close. However, as I said in a different thread, this whole thing is ludicrous. If I'm Ference, and I'm playing in a Game 7, midway thru the 3rd in a tie game, I do the EXACT...SAME...THING. I'm all for cleaning up the game and getting rid of headshots. But there are headshots and there are things like this. Anyone who wants to claim that this isn't part of the game needs to pick a new sport to watch.
    Posted by Kennedy97


    First, is there a presumption of innocence or guilt?

    Watching that clip again and again, it is quite possible that Ference expected him to peel off and shrugged his shoulder once he knew contact would be made.

    Also it is quite possible Ference intentionally "hit" him, but in the way the previous poster said.

    So what choices did Ference have?

    a) go limp and both of you go down?

    b) Jump out of the way? 
    NO WAY!
    Why reason #1;
    Ference was clearly watching the play develop and you could just see the wheels turning as he is evaluating where to position himself for the developing play,
    And most importantly
    he knows that Halpern is lost. 
    As a defenseman myself, very often you have the play in front of you and an opposing forward  with his back to the play - who is "lost" as I'll call it because he's unaware of a change in play.
    This happens every so often in a number of situations.
    The LAST LAST LAST thing in the WORLD you want to do is to give a "TELL" the forward he's gotten himself way out of position and he's getting further lost.
    Why reason #2
    You want to remain aggressive, it is your end of the ice, you have as much right to that real estate as he does, you are trained to DEFEND that end of the ice, you are trained to hit people coming at you.  You don't get out of their way, you make it your business to make sure they get out of YOUR way.

    c) Halpern should also have an on ice awareness, Ference barely moved and Halpern skated into him.  Halpern should have also made sure the play was going to develop before commiting himself to go deep.  If they discipline Ference it is rewarding Halpern for 2 mistakes.

    d) Was Halpern embellishing?  This goes to the first point, is there a presumption of guilt or innocence.

    I'll be really really ticked off if Ference gets suspended.

     
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    jm - pre-rule vs. post-rule could be exactly why he gets suspended.  They put the rule in so that what happened to El Sid would be suspendable the next time, just like the Cooke hit on Savard would be.

    That said, I'd love to go back and see if there's a pattern of the Habs circling behing the last man back and giving him a little shot - just enough to disrupt him or get him off balance - so that, if the puck were turned over, the D would be out of position and the forward would be loose.  This absolutely looked like Ference expected Halpern to do something and braced himself.  If it was more than that - if Ference was looking to clock Halpern in the chin - Ference should get an Oscar.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ference Hearing : First, is there a presumption of innocence or guilt?
    Posted by BadHabitude


    Neither. I think people who don't think Ference knew exactly what he was doing are incredibly naive. But like I said, I'd do the exact same thing if I were in his skates, which is why I don't find him "guilty" of anything outside of playing hockey to win, which is what he's there for in the first place.
     
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