Fire All Coaches

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    In response to MrHulot's comment:

     

    Not with coach CJ and an abysmal power play. Teams know they can take liberties against the Bruins, because the B's simply cannot score on the man advantage.

     

     

    And with the Bruins' tendency to forget effort can produce scoring chances I can see teams gaining confidence vs them five-on-five also.

     

     
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    This isn't a knee jerk reaction.

    Everyone knows the assistants are awful.  I'm putting Julien in the pot with them.  A one goal divisional game.  1:20 left in the third.  He puts Shawn Thornton on the ice.

    This absurdity was preceeded by putting Jaromir Jagr out there with Campbell and Paille for 5/6th of the game.

    I've had enough.  NHL coaches have a shelf life.  This team is full of skill.  The motivation and execution are missing.

    Thornton on the ice with 1:20 left.  What a joke.

    What a joke.



    NAS, I have no idea how this move gives the Bruins the best opportunity to win.

     
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    I hear Guy Boucher is looking for a job. After tonight there is really a time to change. I can't take this team sucking the way they are. This team has so much talent there is no need for this crap play. I wonder if this is strat for them not to vs the Rangers or to vs the Leaf's in the playoffs. I mean it has to be right? to play this badly to a Habs team which isn't so great might i add. I am putting bank that they don't want to vs the Rangers in the playoffs. This makes me feel better but not really.... at all.

     
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    I say relieve Geoff Ward of his duties. In baseball, when a team is struggling to score runs sometimes they will fire the hitting coach. If the new voice in that deprtment doesnt acheive the desired results, then you can count on the manager being next. The manager knows this. I would rather not see Julien fired, but I do think he needs to change some of his strategy. This year, something is off. i don't like his decisions as far as the way personnel is being utilized late in close games, and of more than one occasion this year I don't like his strategy of sitting back when having a lead.

    Something has to change. It took a public call out before the Washington game a few weeks ago to get Lucic and Horton to play ot their potential. Very inconsistent. I don't like the fact that on more than one occasion lately Campbell has had more even strength TOI than Seguin for a team struggling to score.

     
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    The Canacks fired their PP coach and it helped them be better. Ward should have started the season with the Bruins.

     
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    I say relieve Geoff Ward of his duties. In baseball, when a team is struggling to score runs sometimes they will fire the hitting coach. If the new voice in that deprtment doesnt acheive the desired results, then you can count on the manager being next. The manager knows this. I would rather not see Julien fired, but I do think he needs to change some of his strategy. This year, something is off. i don't like his decisions as far as the way personnel is being utilized late in close games, and of more than one occasion this year I don't like his strategy of sitting back when having a lead.

    Something has to change. It took a public call out before the Washington game a few weeks ago to get Lucic and Horton to play ot their potential. Very inconsistent. I don't like the fact that on more than one occasion lately Campbell has had more even strength TOI than Seguin for a team struggling to score.

     



    I agree giving Ward the shove is long overdue, kel.  That Caps game you mention was one of the only times this season the Bruins appeared ready to impose themselves on the opposition from the start in the manner expected of them.  That game displayed what the team was capable of when motivated by the task at hand.  The flip side is we've seen numerous nights where they've been second to the puck for 20 sometimes 40 minutes. 

     

    It's purely speculation on my part but I'd hate to think where the Bruins would be, taking into consideration efforts like tonight's, if they were dealt similar injuries to key cogs like the Sens who have shown the scrappy attitude Boston would be wise to adopt.

     
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       Julien has me starting to think warm thoughts, about the coaching abilities of...Steve Kasper!

    Maybe it's the result of watching yet another boring, emotionless, lackluster game, performed by this boring, emotionless, lackluster team, or maybe it's losing another $50 to 2 Hab fans at work...again, but I would have no problem seeing this entire coaching crew, kicked to the curb.

    I have no idea how this team has managed to play so poorly for the majority of this season, and achieve such a good record. I guess, if a team has enough talent in the watered down cap friendly NHL,it can get by with little effort.

    Sure isn't fun to watch.

     
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    Was Seguin out there in last 56 seconds of the PP. I also AGREE with everyone else Jagr should not be on the line with Campbell and Pailie, even though that looked  like te best line of the night. I like everybody else could not believe Shawn Thornton was out there down 1 with 2 minutes and taking a normal shift  that is not acceptable. The only solution is to put Jagr with DK and slide Lucic or Horton down to 3 rd line. I can't see them firing Ward don't think PC has the balls to do that. Like everybody else in the last minute not a shot on net, when they were lanes open easy for me to say that watching on tv. My best friend said to me do the bruins want to finish ahead of the Canadiens and risk playing the Rangers, I said that doesn't even come into their thinking with 10 games left. The problem is I am starting to wonder it. I caught the post game show on the radio and they were hammering Ward they want him out. I can't think for a second PC or Neely traded for Jagr to put him with Pailie or Campbell who I like as players, but not with Jagr. 

     
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    This isn't a knee jerk reaction.

    Everyone knows the assistants are awful.  I'm putting Julien in the pot with them.  A one goal divisional game.  1:20 left in the third.  He puts Shawn Thornton on the ice.

    This absurdity was preceeded by putting Jaromir Jagr out there with Campbell and Paille for 5/6th of the game.

    I've had enough.  NHL coaches have a shelf life.  This team is full of skill.  The motivation and execution are missing.

    Thornton on the ice with 1:20 left.  What a joke.

    What a joke.



    I thought I saw Thornton out there in last 2 minutes to. I was surrounded by 2 many people so I couldn't lose my mind. Then drove people home and exploded in the car. How does Campbell or Pailie even though he scored the goal get more ice time then Seguin. Please put Jagr with DK then when Bergeron comes back in 2 weeks put him on the second line. This is not brain surgery.

     
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    In response to jmwalters' comment:

    Hmmm....I concur (at least for tonight).



    Sometimes CJ makes things hard on himself. He has the talent he just can't figure how's to use it. I would not fire him by why is Jagr on the third line. I want Neely to ask him  that question not PC . A get well wish to Patrice Bergeron get back soon the second line looks completely lost. 

     
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    In response to SanDogBrewin's comment:

    "Coach said he went w/Peverley's experience at center to help D-zone coverage & Jagr w/Paille & Campbell helped stabilize 3 lines for B's^CS"

     

    The muck n grind dance LoL



    Ok...sounds like Julien had two goals last night:

    1. Fix defensive lapses. He thnks Seguin at center doesn't help with those. Fair enough. I don't see how one game with a new linemate is enough to tell if Seguin at Center is a huge liability, but whatever. I get it.

    2. Breathe some life into the 3rd line. Ok. Nobody will disagree.

    So the coach says there are two problems, but then goes out and makes moves that have zero impact in solving those problems.

    Let's take #2: He didn't come close to creating an impactful 3rd line. I really, really love Campbell and Paille as players because they are 4th line guys who are PK specialists. It's the best anyone can expect. But they are not two players who hae any offensive upside. He weakens the 2nd line by taking Jagr off, then weakens the 3rd line because two of the three guys can't play the puck possession game that Jagr plays. They simply don't have the talent to lead an offensive charge with pucks on their sticks. They are both 100% dump and chance guys, like every 4th line in the history of 4th lines. And of course this weakens the 4th line because that's where Campbell and Paille actually give the Bruins an advantage over other teams.

    So failed on #2.

    Now #1: He wants more defensive responsibility, but that's something you COACH. You don't have to move a 3rd or 4th line talent up the chart simply because they get back in coverage. Just have your freakin guys get back in coverage! Lucic knows how to backcheck. Marchand knows how to play a 2-way game. So the lines instead go all bonkers, and the wingers STILL don't pull back into their own zone to support lanes for clean breakouts and STILL fail to take the body at every moment, which in turn opens space and STILL don't generate a lick of speed through the neutral zone and STILL don't have any net front presence, which ties up the MTL defensement and stalls their own conterattack.

    SanDog - that quote from CJ makes it worse. He identified two problems, and did the opposite of fixing either one.

     
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    Ok....still ranting....

    Lucic and Horton have looked lost for long stretches this and last season, but show glimpses of hope here and there. Marchand and Seguin are acting like their puppy has been shot now that Bergeron is out. Peverly has shown nothing all year. Add Jagr and Daug.

    Call me crazy, but isn't this EXACTLY the time to completely shuffle the deck? Julien's insistance to keep the Krejci line and Marchand/Seguin together are what causes the disaster we saw last night. Those groups are way, way too comfortable. Enough with it - if he really wants depth lines and defensive responsibility, it isn't rocket science:

    Marchand-Krejci-Jagr

    Lucic-Peverly-Seguin

    Paille-Kelly-Horton

    Thornton-Campbell-Daug

     

    If/when Bergeron gets back:

    Marchand-Krejci-Jagr

    Lucic-Bergeron-Seguin

    Peverly-Kelly-Horton

    Thornton-Campbell-Paille

     

     
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    CJ is not just responsible for designing/installing the system, he is responsible for line-up and situational decisions.  He is also responsible for maximizing the talent on the roster. 

    Despite the record, I do not think this team has played to their abilities this year.  They no longer "impose their will" on anyone, emotionless game-after-game.  This team does not attack any more, rather hang back and try to counterpunch.  Even with a healthy Bergeron, this team will have trouble in the playoffs. 

    Something needs to change, if that means CJ goes, I am fine with that. 

     
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    In response to hangnail's comment:

     

    We overreact here and that's part of the fun.  However it's clear that there is something that is just not right with this team.  There is absolutely no fight in them right now, and that is, and always has been the trademark of Bruins hockey.  Where is the snarl?  They look disinterested in engaging and taking what should be theirs.

     



    Dont think anyone is overreacting Hangnail. This has been going on since the start of the season. Even when they were winning this team has been playing a dis-interested brand of hockey. They dont buy into the whole Claude system, and to be honest, I never thought they have. They had a goalie in Thomas who stood on his head for the last 3 seasons.

     

    The so-called "experts" say Claude's system is what makes the Bruins a winning team. Sure, he won a Cup but it was not his "system" it was a goalie who played the role of Superman. Their defensive play was not that good in the playoffs. They should of lost the Montreal series 4-1.

    There is no doubt that this team is filled with talented young skilled guys, but guess what? You will never see guys like Krejci, Bergeron, or Seguin be point per game players or even potential game-breakers because the "system" doesnt allow them to showcase there skills.

    Its tough to get a rythm when your taking 20-30 sec shifts. You need consistent ice time through a game to develop more scoring chances. Look at teams like PITT, LA, VAN, CHI, they all play their skill guys in all situations. There is no "Lets put the 4th/3rd line out there for last 45sec of a powerplay so we can defend when it goes back to even strength".

    The whole system they have established here is broken. Teams are going to run circles around this team come playoff time. You cannot stop talent, only contain it. Eventually, TALENT>CJ SYSTEM.

    Side note: Campbell had 19min TOI vs Seguin 16min TOI and Marchand 15min TOI. Perfect example of not having your best players on the ice.

    People that have wondered why NJ fired Julien? Well, there you have it. Elias and Parise had nights they played 15-16min? LOL!

    They dont need new lines, they need a new philosophy.



    One thing I noticed in the brutal game against Philly last weekend was after Krejci's line scored to give them a lift, they had to wait 3 more shifts to go out.  God forbid Julien deviate from his all 4 lines play.  It might not have made a difference, but it would have been nice to put them back out right away instead of waiting.  Everyone talks about how fit players are today, probably better than 20 years ago; so tell me why can't the top 6 guys play over 20 mins a game?  Need to get the best players on the ice not the 3rd or 4th liners, they should not be getting more ice time than the top 6.

     
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    We overreact here and that's part of the fun.  However it's clear that there is something that is just not right with this team.  There is absolutely no fight in them right now, and that is, and always has been the trademark of Bruins hockey.  Where is the snarl?  They look disinterested in engaging and taking what should be theirs.

     



    Dont think anyone is overreacting Hangnail. This has been going on since the start of the season. Even when they were winning this team has been playing a dis-interested brand of hockey. They dont buy into the whole Claude system, and to be honest, I never thought they have. They had a goalie in Thomas who stood on his head for the last 3 seasons.

     

    The so-called "experts" say Claude's system is what makes the Bruins a winning team. Sure, he won a Cup but it was not his "system" it was a goalie who played the role of Superman. Their defensive play was not that good in the playoffs. They should of lost the Montreal series 4-1.

    There is no doubt that this team is filled with talented young skilled guys, but guess what? You will never see guys like Krejci, Bergeron, or Seguin be point per game players or even potential game-breakers because the "system" doesnt allow them to showcase there skills.

    Its tough to get a rythm when your taking 20-30 sec shifts. You need consistent ice time through a game to develop more scoring chances. Look at teams like PITT, LA, VAN, CHI, they all play their skill guys in all situations. There is no "Lets put the 4th/3rd line out there for last 45sec of a powerplay so we can defend when it goes back to even strength".

    The whole system they have established here is broken. Teams are going to run circles around this team come playoff time. You cannot stop talent, only contain it. Eventually, TALENT>CJ SYSTEM.

    Side note: Campbell had 19min TOI vs Seguin 16min TOI and Marchand 15min TOI. Perfect example of not having your best players on the ice.

    People that have wondered why NJ fired Julien? Well, there you have it. Elias and Parise had nights they played 15-16min? LOL!

    They dont need new lines, they need a new philosophy.




    Good post, can't argue with any of it.

     
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    In response to Crowls2424's comment:

    CJ is not just responsible for designing/installing the system, he is responsible for line-up and situational decisions.  He is also responsible for maximizing the talent on the roster. 

    Despite the record, I do not think this team has played to their abilities this year.  They no longer "impose their will" on anyone, emotionless game-after-game.  This team does not attack any more, rather hang back and try to counterpunch.  Even with a healthy Bergeron, this team will have trouble in the playoffs. 

    Something needs to change, if that means CJ goes, I am fine with that. 



    I agree C2424, I like Claude and think he's a good coach but something needs to be done. Night after night this team looks as if its just going thru the motions, this unfortunately falls on the coach. I just don't see PC canning Julien unless it's a mandate from above him. 

     
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    "SanDog - that quote from CJ makes it worse. He identified two problems, and did the opposite of fixing either one."

    Yah know I din't mind catching heat for criticizing Julien becuase I knew with a few injuries his coaching style would catch him. Poor Jagr would rather play in Austin for the Texas Stars right now than sit n watch Julien stand near the glass n preach "the system".

    Oh well all for not Ward and Julien aren't going anywhere. Kelly and Bergeron will have to save the Bruins from Julien.

     

     
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    Win three of four, lose a one goal game to the Scabs on two fluke goals, one kicked in by a rookie injury fill-in who probably gets replaced by a veteran in the next week: Fire the Coach.

    Nobody is going to say with a straight face that they played well last night, and that PP was the most bizarre thing I've seen in a long time.  But is it Julien's fault, or Ward's fault, that when Lucic makes a pass from behind the net to a guy in perfect position to bury the equalizer, he chooses to cycle the puck back to the point rather than shoot?  They kept looking for pretty rather than effective.  I guarantee you that is not what Ward is coaching them to do.

    I have no patience for fire the coach when the players are squeezing the stick too tightly, nor do I buy for one second that Thomas made an average system look good.  We'll see what happens when he plays for the Isles, and the results will be tainted by the fact that he'll be coming back after a year, but there's a better than average chance the system and Thomas were made for each other - the system leads to long shots and aims to minimize lateral passes and rebound opportunities.  Thomas likes to come out and challenge aggressively, then, on the occasions where the D drops the ball on the lateral passes or rebounds, make athletic plays to recover.  Perfect fit.

    The players are thinking. That's never a good idea.  Firing Julien and trying to install a new system at this point doesn't get them to stop thinking.

     
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    Claude is complicating the simple - it's how Coaches keep their jobs, by making their job look like something akin to wizardry.


    At the same time - and for similar reasons (to seem indespensible) - he's being a little willfully dense.

     

    The obvious can sometimes work too, Claude.

     

    Put Krejci and Jagr together.


    And proceed from there. Done.

     
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    Not with coach CJ and an abysmal power play. Teams know they can take liberties against the Bruins, because the B's simply cannot score on the man advantage.



    If this is true, why are the sitting in the basement for PPs?  Fewest in the league with a bullet. 

     
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    This isn't a knee jerk reaction.

    Everyone knows the assistants are awful.  I'm putting Julien in the pot with them.  A one goal divisional game.  1:20 left in the third.  He puts Shawn Thornton on the ice.

    This absurdity was preceeded by putting Jaromir Jagr out there with Campbell and Paille for 5/6th of the game.

    I've had enough.  NHL coaches have a shelf life.  This team is full of skill.  The motivation and execution are missing.

    Thornton on the ice with 1:20 left.  What a joke.

    What a joke.




    I'm with on this, NAS. It's sickening to watch at this point.

     

     
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    In response to hangnail's comment:

    We overreact here and that's part of the fun.  However it's clear that there is something that is just not right with this team.  There is absolutely no fight in them right now, and that is, and always has been the trademark of Bruins hockey.  Where is the snarl?  They look disinterested in engaging and taking what should be theirs.



    This has been my opinion for a month now, where is the snarl & fight with these guys? Also put Jagr in Hortons spot at least Jagr can finish. 

     
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    Nobody is going to say with a straight face that they played well last night, and that PP was the most bizarre thing I've seen in a long time.  But is it Julien's fault, or Ward's fault, that when Lucic makes a pass from behind the net to a guy in perfect position to bury the equalizer, he chooses to cycle the puck back to the point rather than shoot?  They kept looking for pretty rather than effective.  I guarantee you that is not what Ward is coaching them to do.



    "Puck possession.  Don't take "just any" shot.  You have almost a full minute.  You only need one goal.  Do not give it up.  Move it around until it's an empty net.  Plenty of time.  Six on four.  One shot ties it.  Keep possession."

    I can imagine something like that being said.

     

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