Gresh and Zo Hammering Jagr

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    Gah.  Nevermind.

     
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    Watch and find out. Proof will be on the ice, not in your mind.

    Jagr has something to prove, don't bet against him when he's like this.

     

     
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    I am really divided about JJ. He looks good, but not much happens when he is out there. Sort of like Anna Kournikova. But considering the relatively cheap price for him, I guess he worth it for a time eater. 

    It seems that he isn't a great team player, in that he is use to being able to do so much himself, that he didn't need a lot of help doing it. But now that he doesn't have that speed to make the last move necessary to finish a play, he's just a fill in player.

    Still lots of playoff games to be played, and he might be the difference later on.

    10 games = 0 goals, and  4 assists. -2 

    vs.

    Iginla - 9 games, 2 goals, 8 assists. -3.

     

     

     

     
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    In response to perrysound's comment:

    I am really divided about JJ. He looks good, but not much happens when he is out there. Sort of like Anna Kournikova. But considering the relatively cheap price for him, I guess he worth it for a time eater. 

    It seems that he isn't a great team player, in that he is use to being able to do so much himself, that he didn't need a lot of help doing it. But now that he doesn't have that speed to make the last move necessary to finish a play, he's just a fill in player.

    Still lots of playoff games to be played, and he might be the difference later on.

    10 games = 0 goals, and  4 assists. -2 

    vs.

    Iginla - 9 games, 2 goals, 8 assists. -3.

     

     

     




    Quite the contrary, perrysound.

    If you notice, when Jagr is on the ice, they play is usually in the other team's end and he is making them work. Creating frustation and fatigue for the other side.

    Also, he really has been snake bitten. He and Seguin.

    Maybe, they are saving theirs goals for the Penguins.

     
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    In response to perrysound's comment:

    I am really divided about JJ. He looks good, but not much happens when he is out there. Sort of like Anna Kournikova. But considering the relatively cheap price for him, I guess he worth it for a time eater. 

    It seems that he isn't a great team player, in that he is use to being able to do so much himself, that he didn't need a lot of help doing it. But now that he doesn't have that speed to make the last move necessary to finish a play, he's just a fill in player.

    Still lots of playoff games to be played, and he might be the difference later on.

    10 games = 0 goals, and  4 assists. -2 

    vs.

    Iginla - 9 games, 2 goals, 8 assists. -3.



    Bergeron-Marchand-Seguin:  6 games, 1 goal, 2 assists

    Bergeron-Marchand-Jagr:  5 games, 5 goals, 7 assists

    You can call it coincidence if you want, but I don't.

     
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    When i want in depth hockey analysis I always turn to Gresh and Zo.

    And thank god for Tuesdays with Wiggy, he gets down right technical when it comes to the Bruins power play.

     
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    This is silly.  If you want Jagr from 10 years ago, you'll be disappointed.

    But if you want a strong veteran winger, who can carry the puck, make smart decisions, pass well, and produce (check the numbers), than he has done very well.

    To say "he doesn't add anything so far" is inane.  Watch the games, and worry less about Gresh and Zo trying to entertain you with snappy opinions.  Jagr has been solid, at the very least.  

    Who would you like to see playing there?

     
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    Bergeron-Marchand-Seguin:  6 games, 1 goal, 2 assists

     

    Bergeron-Marchand-Jagr:  5 games, 5 goals, 7 assists

    You can call it coincidence if you want, but I don't.




    I'm not convinced by numbers alone. Mentioned this on another thread: Jagr and Seguin's skills sets are both off the charts but very, very different from one another. Just seems like the better balance moving forward would be more speed for the Bergeron line and more puck possession in the offensive zone for the Kelly line. I know what those numbers say, but I think it has more to do with Marchand and Bergon being further away from their concussions than anything.

     
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    The second I hear Gresch's voice the radio goes off. Has there ever been a bigger blow-hard know-it all in Boston radio history? ...and that is really saying something. As to be expected, they're all hockey experts now...until Tom Brady dances or goes down a water slide at least.

    It'll be a cold day in hell before I Let Gresch, Zoe, Felger, Mazz or any  of the other clowns tell me how hockey is played.

     
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    The second I hear Gresch's voice the radio goes off. Has there ever been a bigger blow-hard know-it all in Boston radio history? ...and that is really saying something. As to be expected, they're all hockey experts now...until Tom Brady dances or goes down a water slide at least.

    It'll be a cold day in hell before I Let Gresch, Zoe, Felger, Mazz or any  of the other clowns tell me how hockey is played.



    Yeah.  They have learned to segue very gracefully from picking the pubic hairs out of Brady's jockstrap to in-depth NHL analysis.

     
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    I'm not convinced by numbers alone. Mentioned this on another thread: Jagr and Seguin's skills sets are both off the charts but very, very different from one another. Just seems like the better balance moving forward would be more speed for the Bergeron line and more puck possession in the offensive zone for the Kelly line. I know what those numbers say, but I think it has more to do with Marchand and Bergon being further away from their concussions than anything.



    I can understand that, asmaha, but to go from ghosts in six games to very relevant in the ensuing five games just can't be they suddenly started feeling better, could it?

     
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    In response to perrysound's comment:

    I am really divided about JJ. He looks good, but not much happens when he is out there. Sort of like Anna Kournikova. But considering the relatively cheap price for him, I guess he worth it for a time eater. 

    It seems that he isn't a great team player, in that he is use to being able to do so much himself, that he didn't need a lot of help doing it. But now that he doesn't have that speed to make the last move necessary to finish a play, he's just a fill in player.

    Still lots of playoff games to be played, and he might be the difference later on.

    10 games = 0 goals, and  4 assists. -2 

    vs.

    Iginla - 9 games, 2 goals, 8 assists. -3.

     

     

     


    Jagr could end up costing the Bruins their 1st round draft pick.

     
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    So all the criticism of Jagr is all misguided and everyone doesn't see how valuable he is?

    I mean I like the guy but everyone has to admit these 3 facts.

    1) He is the slowest forward on the team

    2) He is the worst defender on the team (almost a tie with Thornton but Thornton hussles back)

    3) He stays on the ice longer than he should and coasts back to the bench

    I like his big body but I'd rather have Seguin on that line as he's the piece that makes that line one of the tops in the league.  I keep waiting for him to prove my criticisms wrong and I hope I am wrong on this one.

    He's a 3rd line player and a PP specialist to me at this point in his career. Not calling for Soderberg or Daug to play over him, but I think Seguin should bump him to the 3rd line with Kelly and Peverley as I don't think he can play a lot of minutes per game.

    Would anyone want the 2013 Jagr over the 2011 Recchi?

     
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    Jagr could end up costing the Bruins their 1st round draft pick.



    Would you rather the 25th pick in the draft or the team to advance to the Conference Finals?

    WTH

     
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    I'm not convinced by numbers alone. Mentioned this on another thread: Jagr and Seguin's skills sets are both off the charts but very, very different from one another. Just seems like the better balance moving forward would be more speed for the Bergeron line and more puck possession in the offensive zone for the Kelly line. I know what those numbers say, but I think it has more to do with Marchand and Bergon being further away from their concussions than anything.

     

     



    I can understand that, asmaha, but to go from ghosts in six games to very relevant in the ensuing five games just can't be they suddenly started feeling better, could it?

     



    Marchand was playing like crap before, now he's back to his old self. I think that has a ton to do with it. Jagr opening up more space is a factor but I don't see how he factored on the game winner in game 1 or the similar goal in game 2.

     
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    Jagr could end up costing the Bruins their 1st round draft pick.

     



    Would you rather the 25th pick in the draft or the team to advance to the Conference Finals?

     

    WTH


    If you think the Bruins only get to the ECF with Jagr OK. Otherwise it's still up in the air.

     
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    Jagr could end up costing the Bruins their 1st round draft pick.

     



    Would you rather the 25th pick in the draft or the team to advance to the Conference Finals?

     

    WTH

     


    If you think the Bruins only get to the ECF with Jagr OK. Otherwise it's still up in the air.

     



    You can't try to think that way.  This is the team they have.  If they make the conference finals, then the team is well-built.

    The 25th pick pales in importance to a Cup run.

    A great irony in the fact that Jagr would not have been needed if a former 25th pick could make the grade.  One that has had 4 years of pro hockey to develop...

    Screw the pick.  Win the games.

     
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    Klaas how about we bring back Bourque? Caron? Hamill? Ryder? Pouliot? I'm good on those thanks. Thinking back I'm not even sure where we would have put Iginla... Not to mention I like Bartkowski and the idea of Koko better than Iginla.

     
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    It would be the 20th to 22nd pick if Boston doesn't make the conference finals, depending on if Pitts and Chicago get to the third round. I'd still rather give up the 27-30th pick, than draft 20-22nd.

     
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    Klaas how about we bring back Bourque? Caron? Hamill? Ryder? Pouliot? I'm good on those thanks. Thinking back I'm not even sure where we would have put Iginla... Not to mention I like Bartkowski and the idea of Koko better than Iginla.


    I'm OK with Ryder. Pouliot like him or not, made the 3rd line click. BTW all, it's OK if you don't have heart attacks, I'm not totally against the Jagr trade. I was merely pointing out that the cost of the Jagr trade was not minimal ... nothing more, nothing less.

     
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    Then you really must have hated the Kaberle deal...

    Ryder didn't do much this post-season. Pouliot absolutely did not make the 3rd line click. He pulled a highlight reel goal out of his butt occasionally but then basically ended the Bruins playoff run last year. I think Jagr will be more helpful than any of those mentioned.

    I think the younger players have learned some puck management from Jagr already, I think I saw one of the younger players using the lower hand to fend off a defender the other day and mistook him for Jagr for a second.

     
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    Then you really must have hated the Kaberle deal...

    Ryder didn't do much this post-season. Pouliot absolutely did not make the 3rd line click. He pulled a highlight reel goal out of his butt occasionally but then basically ended the Bruins playoff run last year. I think Jagr will be more helpful than any of those mentioned.

    I think the younger players have learned some puck management from Jagr already, I think I saw one of the younger players using the lower hand to fend off a defender the other day and mistook him for Jagr for a second.


    Lamda. You're really reaching if you think I hated the Kaberle trade.

     

     
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    Klaas- I know, I'm just saying and hoping that it turns out the way that trade did.

    And I think I misread your post, I thought you meant the gains from Jagr were minimal, not the reward. My mistake.

     
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