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    Exploring other options i am sure is only about 2 or 3 other teams that have a good crack at the cup and will give JI a decent deal, Im betting hes wanting that cup more than the money.

     
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    Exploring other options i am sure is only about 2 or 3 other teams that have a good crack at the cup and will give JI a decent deal, Im betting hes wanting that cup more than the money.

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    He just went to Pitt for a year for the cup and got swept by B's.  Then over here and the Krejci line shut down by Habs.  B's sign him again for 1 year OK.,  Any1 going long term Crazy...

     
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    Let him go...let him go... let him go.

     

     
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    "Meehan is simply protecting his client."


    Indeed. Not concerned. PC won't overpay, and if he doesn't sign Iginla, there will be opportunities for other deals. It is what it is.




    That PC wont overpay? Only thing holding him back from doing so is the cap. For being a Harvard grad, PC has surely made some questionable decisions both economically and strategically. Your talking about a GM that had signed a guy like a Kelly (Face off / Defensive specialist) to a $3million dollar deal. He over values his players, such as Lucic (Making $6mill) -- there was no pressure at the time to sign him to such extension. His drafting history is awful and his evaluation of players is suspect. Luckily for PC Burke overpayed for Kessel at the time but looks to be losing the Seguin deal with DAL, especially if reports are true of they shopping Loui Eriksson.


    I have little faith in this GM, way too conservative for my liking. Not saying you should blow up your team but at least get creative, you cannot have the same team forever.

     
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    Let him go...let him go... let him go.

     

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    yeah, the B'S have a boatload of snipers waiting to replace a 500-goal scorer....

    never thought PC would paint himself into a corner like this....

    luckily the cap went up....

     
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    Iginla is obviously more proven with the 1 year sample size....but these comments about Eriksson are mad ramblings by fans who didn't watch a minute of Stars hockey in previous years. Loui is an incredible player, who had a really bad injury-plagued season. Reserve judgment, y'all.

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    I have seen the Stars play quite a bit and the biggest difference is that Loui never left the ice for Dallas.  The guy would play upwards of 20 minutes per game as well as receive top billing powerplay time.  Now he is on a team where he has to prove himself again and where he has to spread the wealth in terms of playing minutes.  He is under 17 minutes per game and not on the first pp. unit.  On Dallas, there weren't as many wingers to compete with that were legit (thus they struggled to be a playoff team).   This is not the case on the B's and I personally think that CJ sees Loui as the 5th best winger overall (behind Lucic, Iginla, Marchand, and Smith) and the 4th best offensively (same list but ahead of Marchand).   I will give Loui a mulligan but he has yet to adapt to being on a better team and he may have to prove his worth while playing significantly less minutes.  


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    That argument is very sound in most respects but when Loui was in Dallas he was also going against the other team's top checking line every night. I'm with you in giving him a mulligan after his first real struggle with injuries. The guy had 4 straight seasons with 26 goals or more and had 3 straight seasons with 70+ points before the lockout. Thinking the guy is washed up at 28 is very premature. Him getting back to his previous level of play is more likely than a continued drop off. Numbers rarely lie. I'll trust them over most people's opinions any day. 

     
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     Numbers rarely lie. I'll trust them over most people's opinions any day. 

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    Remember Ollie Jokinen? killer numbers when with the bottom feeder Panthers...very similar numbers in fact. Went to another organization in his prime and what happened? Not even close to what he was doing in Florida.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466140

    There is always someone who scores for a crap team but that doesn't make them sure things on a good one.

     

     
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     Numbers rarely lie. I'll trust them over most people's opinions any day. 

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    Remember Ollie Jokinen? killer numbers when with the bottom feeder Panthers...very similar numbers in fact. Went to another organization in his prime and what happened? Not even close to what he was doing in Florida.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466140" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466140

    There is always someone who scores for a crap team but that doesn't make them sure things on a good one.

     

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    When was Jokinen on a good team? Also, when he was the same age as Loui he put up 42 points in 57 games for the Coyotes (.74 PPG). The year before he had 71 points in 82 games (.86 PPG). Over the course of a full year the difference in PPG would account for a difference of less than 10 points. A decrease in overall ice time could account for much of that, We should also note that he went on to get 50 points in his next 75 games played over the course of 2 injury plagued seasons. The bottom line is that consistent players usually manage to stay consistent and that's why I'm betting on a serious bounce back season for Eriksson. Jokinen I'm less confident about.

     
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     The bottom line is that consistent players usually manage to stay consistent and that's why I'm betting on a serious bounce back season for Eriksson. Jokinen I'm less confident about.

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    I do agree to a point but that's the thing though. 2012-13, 29 points in 48 games (0.60 ppg). 2013-14, 37 points in 61 games (0.61 PPG). So Erikkson has been consistent the past two seasons...consistently irrelevant offensively. Yes, we can say the first bad season was  a lockout year and last season he had trouble "adjusting" to a new team and injuries. But at what point do we drop the "he will bounce back" meme, stop making excuses for him and just accept he is a third liner on a good team?

    By the way, for what its worth Ollie Jokinen did have 3 consecutive 3 goal seasons down in FLA....that still impresses me considering he was  a one man  show down there :)

     

     

     
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     The bottom line is that consistent players usually manage to stay consistent and that's why I'm betting on a serious bounce back season for Eriksson. Jokinen I'm less confident about.

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    I do agree to a point but that's the thing though. 2012-13, 29 points in 48 games (0.60 ppg). 2013-14, 37 points in 61 games (0.61 PPG). So Erikkson has been consistent the past two seasons...consistently irrelevant offensively. Yes, we can say the first bad season was  a lockout year and last season he had trouble "adjusting" to a new team and injuries. But at what point do we drop the "he will bounce back" meme, stop making excuses for him and just accept he is a third liner on a good team?

    By the way, for what its worth Ollie Jokinen did have 3 consecutive 3 goal seasons down in FLA....that still impresses me considering he was  a one man  show down there :)

     

     

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    The guy got his brain rattled twice and still scored at a 50 point pace. I used to hear even worse things about Bergeron's decline into mediocrity. I'm sure glad the Bruins stuck with him. Eriksson will be back above .80 PPG this season. If he skates with Krejci and Lucic it'll be even higher. He'll be one of the league's best bargains.

     
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     The bottom line is that consistent players usually manage to stay consistent and that's why I'm betting on a serious bounce back season for Eriksson. Jokinen I'm less confident about.

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    I do agree to a point but that's the thing though. 2012-13, 29 points in 48 games (0.60 ppg). 2013-14, 37 points in 61 games (0.61 PPG). So Erikkson has been consistent the past two seasons...consistently irrelevant offensively. Yes, we can say the first bad season was  a lockout year and last season he had trouble "adjusting" to a new team and injuries. But at what point do we drop the "he will bounce back" meme, stop making excuses for him and just accept he is a third liner on a good team?

    By the way, for what its worth Ollie Jokinen did have 3 consecutive 3 goal seasons down in FLA....that still impresses me considering he was  a one man  show down there :)

     

     

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    The guy got his brain rattled twice and still scored at a 50 point pace. I used to hear even worse things about Bergeron's decline into mediocrity. I'm sure glad the Bruins stuck with him. Eriksson will be back above .80 PPG this season. If he skates with Krejci and Lucic it'll be even higher. He'll be one of the league's best bargains.

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    Of course they stuck with him. What choice did they have? They would have looked like fools if they gave up on them that quickly. Chia is gonna want to make sure he gets every chance to regain his past form . Maybe the injuries did kill his whole season. I don't know how he came up with all those goals the previous years because his shot  seemed weak and he couldn't skate past any1.. There's a lot of confidence in some that'll he'll have a big bounce back year. It'll have to be quite a comeback to be the leagues best bargain at 4.25 Mil a year but another year like this year and he'll be the opposite of that.  I hope your right for Chias sake..

     
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    Iginla will sign with Anaheim on a two year deal @ about $5.5mill avv. They have a ton of cap space and could be front runners for Stastny if they fail to land Kesler. Makes for a good situation as ANA are legit contenders.

    Sleeper? St. Louis Blues

     
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    In response to days-of-Orr's comment:[QUOTE]

    Let him go...let him go... let him go.[/QUOTE]

    yeah, the B'S have a boatload of snipers waiting to replace a 500-goal scorer....

    never thought PC would paint himself into a corner like this....

    luckily the cap went up....[/QUOTE]


    Not worth the bonus overage for 2015-2016 when PC can make some trades for a 1st line right wing and then sign a 3rd line wing for Soderberg. Hamilton, Boychuk, McQuaid, Krejci, Pallie and Soderberg have to be taken care of next summer.

     

     
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    I'd be surprised if Iginla stays in Boston, though I'm hoping he does. I think he's looking to cash in on his productive year and I don't blame him. Add that to the fact that the B's have limited cap room and I think Iginla in a B's uniform may have been a one year thing. I hope I'm wrong.




     
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     The bottom line is that consistent players usually manage to stay consistent and that's why I'm betting on a serious bounce back season for Eriksson. Jokinen I'm less confident about.

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    I do agree to a point but that's the thing though. 2012-13, 29 points in 48 games (0.60 ppg). 2013-14, 37 points in 61 games (0.61 PPG). So Erikkson has been consistent the past two seasons...consistently irrelevant offensively. Yes, we can say the first bad season was  a lockout year and last season he had trouble "adjusting" to a new team and injuries. But at what point do we drop the "he will bounce back" meme, stop making excuses for him and just accept he is a third liner on a good team?

    By the way, for what its worth Ollie Jokinen did have 3 consecutive 3 goal seasons down in FLA....that still impresses me considering he was  a one man  show down there :)

     

     

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    Well put.  OK, so I'm not the only one who feels the same way about Eriksson after reflecting on the season.  I like the guy; I hope he hits his stride again.  He simply is not a top 6 winger for the B's; he may be for other teams, but not for the B's when looking at the line mates he'd be with.  Bergey and DK do better with physical wingers who can stand their ground with the puck, not get pushed off it with a simple poke check. 

    The bottom line for me: if Iggy goes - you replace from outside not promote from within.  Eriksson can stay with Yeti on the 3rd line, if that's how it plays out.  And it'll be a darn good 3rd line.

     
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    Again to say LouI is not a top 6 forward you didn't watch him in Dallas. Never seen him play with Krejci either. Eriksson will need to get off to a good start.

     

    Playoffs: Reilly Smith > Tyler Seguin

     
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    If Iginla goes I bet PC won't trade/sign anyone to replace him. They'll likely just plug the holes during the regular  season with what they've got and then try to pick someone up by the trade deadline.

     
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    Again to say LouI is not a top 6 forward you didn't watch him in Dallas. Never seen him play with Krejci either. Eriksson will need to get off to a good start.

     

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    I think we both know which side of this argument we are on with this one.

    We will find out soon enough whether Eriksson becomes this prolific 30 goal scorer with the B's or a vastly overpaid third liner...

     

     

     
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    I can't help but think of Jagr when I think of Loui's struggles.  Jagr came here and struggled mightily learning CJ's system...then he moves on to NJ and lights it up again.  Some guys just don't fit here.  Hopefully Loui can figure it out.

    Formerly "hangnail"

     
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    Hi Hang. Why the name change?

     

     
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    Hi Hang. Why the name change?


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    I deactivated the email account that I used for "hangnail" so I could no longer sign in with that account.  I set up chinchase a while ago when BDC was having technical difficulties and I couldn't sign into my hangnail account.  I'll go in to see if I can change my name back.  I know, pain in the neck!

     
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    If Iginla doesn't re-sign,(kinda feel he won't) the B's will have a huge hole to fill, with very few opportunities to plug it.  Agree with sobchack, the most logical strategy may well be to muddle along, and attempt to develop some young'uns til March, and bring in the sniper at the deadline.  Risky proposition, but, as long as the B's are solidly in playoff contention.....

     
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    If Iginla doesn't re-sign,(kinda feel he won't) the B's will have a huge hole to fill, with very few opportunities to plug it.  Agree with sobchack, the most logical strategy may well be to muddle along, and attempt to develop some young'uns til March, and bring in the sniper at the deadline.  Risky proposition, but, as long as the B's are solidly in playoff contention.....

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    If he doesnt sign here, i think that it probably the route PC will take.  Not sure if i completely agree with it though.  Iginla was a big player in the regular season.  30 goals isn't an easy thing to just hope other players will pick up the slack for.  Not to mention the hitting, the few fights he got in, PP and PK time...

     
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    Taking a look ahead at 2015 UFA (i.e. prospective rental players), there's St. Louis, Horcoff, Fleischmann, Cole, Briere, Vermette.  Retreads Jagr and Ryder.  Spezza and Ryan are both up too, but I think it likely they get extended first.  There are a decent number of middling players who might be available.

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    I deactivated the email account that I used for "hangnail" so I could no longer sign in with that account.  I set up chinchase a while ago when BDC was having technical difficulties and I couldn't sign into my hangnail account.  I'll go in to see if I can change my name back.  I know, pain in the neck!

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    Ok. Thanks. Good luck!

     

     

     

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