How Philly Views the Meszaros Deal:

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    How Philly Views the Meszaros Deal:

     

    With Andrew MacDonald in the fold, the Flyers had little use for defenseman Andrej Meszaros.

    The Flyers traded Meszaros, who was scheduled to be scratched for the 25th game this season tonight against Washington, to the Bruins in exchange for a conditional third-round pick.

    The deal was first reported by Rogers Sportsnet’s Dan Murphy.

    The conditional pick will become a second-round pick if the Bruins reach the Eastern Conference final this season and Meszaros plays in at least two-thirds of Boston's games - or Meszaros is re-signed by Boston prior to the draft.

    Meszaros, 28, had his confidence shaken by numerous injuries and a lack of playing time with the Flyers. After a 295-game ironman streak to begin his career, Meszaros has dealt with multiple shoulder injuries and surgeries, a lower-back issue and a torn Achilles tendon.

    The Bruins were long-rumored to be interested in his services. Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli helped bring Meszaros to the NHL when he was with the Ottawa Senators as assistant GM in 2005.


    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/flyers/Meszaros-traded-to-Boston.html#rAQQKyRssFwEXXfQ.99

         Now...here's a cross-section of comments from Flyer fans on the trade: 

    1.) This is a good deal. You get a third rounder for a guy who is a free agent at the end of the year. They were not going to re-sign Meszaros anyway. Kimmo is going to come off the books as well and they have talented young defensemen coming along. They will have some cap room to play with this summer; 

    2.) The trade deadline has been a win for the Flyers. Basically upgraded the defense for a 2nd round pick and an oft-injured player. McDonald is essentially a healthy Meszaros that is better defensively and blocks a ton of shots....Also word is that the 3rd round pick could be higher depending on how far the Bruins go in the playoffs. Even better;

    3.) The Flyers spent a 2nd rounder to make themselves worse, the Bruins better, and not free up anything financially;

    4.) Terrible Deal...Let's keep Grossman who is like molasses on a zero degree day. Let's keep Gustafson who gets run over like Danica by the big boys in Nascar. Let's keep Coburn whose idea of physical(see:little Joe Pevelski) is akin to Ice Dancing. Meszaros was a Barry Ashbee winner as best defenseman 3 years ago. You don't just lose that talent(injuries aside). Then let's trade him to somebody in the same conference...IDIOTS!;

    5.) Mez is damaged goods:
    1. Shoulder surgery to repair a labrum tear - March 2009 Tampa
    2. Wrist surgery in 2011
    3. Lower Back Surgery ended Meszaros’ 2011-12 season
    4. 2012 Offseason Achilles injury while training in Slovakia
    5. Another shoulder surgery to repair a torn left rotator cuff - out of lineup from June 24 to March 9 2013
    Any nasty (typical playoff) hit could easily be the end of his career.

    6.) You cannot claim that a guy who was a healthy scratch for 25 games is being traded because of the cap. His cap hit wasn't bigger if he played in actual games. He couldn't break into the 6 man rotation. A third round pick is an insane return for such a player. If you want to argue the guy is a top 3 defenseman and the Flyers don't know it, fine, but its abundantly obvious the Flyers didn't think much of him and it had nothing to do with money;

    7.) This is what happens when an organization mismanages a salary cap. The net outcome of the Flyers trade deadline moves is that the Boston Bruins are better. Terrible;

    8.) Terrible deal. Meszaros has been a stud lately…Luke Schenn on the other hand is a turnover machine with a learning disability;

    9.) Don't know what you've been watching. Yes, he's chipped in some offensively, but he's terrible in the d-zone. Slow to the puck. Bad outlet passes. Refuses to clear the crease. Always out of position. That's why he's been in and out of the lineup. A 3rd rd pick is good value;

    10.) Does his recent "studliness" lead us to believe that Meszaros has made far strides past his injuries this season? If so, this, and his near wild ability to throw himself in front of shooters, makes him a potentially valuable addition, in combination with fellow Chech Chara...Boston needs to make up for loss of Seidenberg, who was physical, and could play the corners, whilst Chara would dog the slot area on power play defenses. Since November, Chara has had to go to the corner more, leaving Rask open out front.    ...Meszaros is still only 29 years old. Chiarelli kept tongue -in-cheek, and had comrade Chara telephone his prey, all the wile speaking some old Chech dialect. The Bruins were able to get the Flyers down from a desired 2nd rounder, to just a 3rd round pick....Corey Potter was also acquired today off waiver's. Look for Bruins to show more moxie and physical style defense to blend with Torey Krug and Dougie Hamilton. Meszaro's a needed veteran, who can guide the younger defencemen in Boston. The Bruins took advantage of this one, since he has an expiring contract...

         What say you, fellow B's fans? Do you like the trade? 

      

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Great post.

     
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    Just remember Seidenberg is a much better d-man since he came to the Bruins. He stays healthy and he'll be fine. I think he'll actually be a pleasant suprise.

     
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    At least he's not 42.

     
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    Great post Texas 

     
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    I agree, red - fun post, Pat.

    My take is still the same (will be the same until Meszaros has at least a dozen games and maybe a lot longer than that): this is a guy who played his best hockey in a very similar system that emphasized positional responsibility and support and less one on one coverage, athleticism etc..  At 28, after multiple injuries, he's in that interesting position where people have sort of forgotten about him or discounted him the same way they did Seidenberg who was injured and in and out for Philly/Phoenix/Carolina/Florida before finally landing in Boston. If he was 32 and just starting his course of injuries, maybe you do start to look away, but at 28, he's young enough to make a pretty full recovery.  To me, that means he's actually more intriguing than some of the higher profile names people threw around yesterday like Jack Johnson.  I'm pretty sure I know how Jack Johnson would do in Boston - there's no mystery or reason to think he'd elevate his game.  In fact, he's a guy who probably does better with a looser rein and might actually look like Derek Morris did in Boston (that is, not good).  He never looked like a star in LA, either, under Murray, Stevens or especially Sutter (who arrived and then Johnson was gone shortly thereafter...).

    I like the odds of Meszaros outperforming expectations.  I don't think he'll make anyone think "the tradition of great Boston defensemen continues," but I think he's going to eat a lot of minutes and likely chip in more than you might think.  He has one fewer point than Hamilton in seven fewer games. 

     
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    Great post.

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         Thanks. From what I've read, this trade gives cause for optimism. When at least half of the fans of the opposing team dislike the trade, that's a pretty good sign that the B's got someone who, if healthy, can play. Here's other interesting posts that I've found, this time from hockey fans on the Philly Blog:

    1.) Considering how good the Bruins are, their first round pick is probably going to be 23rd-30th. THAT is what we should have gotten back for Meszaros, Homlgren, NOT a third round pick. The third round pick is what Coburn or Luke Schenn are worth. 

    2.) I only agree that Mez was hugely under utilized and under appreciated this year...... its unfortunate that the guy who was our best defender for a full season and up til the point he was hurt in his second season with the flyers was never given a chance to get back to form after basically having 2 years without playing hockey.

    The achilles injury was a freak accident, and rushing him back without proper conditioning(which remember he couldn't even walk or bare weight for at least a couple weeks, let alone run or anything intense for a couple months) is what led to his shoulder injury. He's 28 and 5 of the 6 seasons prior to his achilles injury he played 80+ games. He's NOT injury prone, and he was getting better every game that berube let him play, despite the fact that it was inconsistent and really unfair for mez.

    Problem for PHI is, not much in free agency, and resigning Mez in the offseason to a 2 yr deal for 2-2.5 per would have been a steal and much needed depth and MAYBE the guy you could have used to replace timonen on the point of the powerplay.

    I know they wanted to recoup that 3rd rounder, but I just feel that I would have preferred to keep the 3rd rounder and hold on to the depth that we will inevitably need coming down the final stretch. However.... hes MAYBE worth a late 2nd rounder but a 3rd rounder sounds about right given this season and his current cap hit. 

    3.) This deal has "sabotage" written all over it. I think Holmgren knows he's gone next year, so he just gave Boston the extra something they needed in exchange for something that won't help us. Since his return, Mez has been a great presence on the ice and is putting up much needed points for our team. He was worth more and maybe, a better GM would have done his job correctly and made this deal worth while. It upsets me that the team I love is being driven into the ground by a bone-head like Holmgren. Please resign Paul, you are no longer welcome in Philly.

    Wow!!

     

     

     
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         But then, there's this sobering train of thought: http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/haggerty-meszaros-isnt-enough-cup-caliber-team

     
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    Re: How Philly Views the Meszaros Deal:

    Pat, you are officially the anti-trombone.

     

     
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    With Andrew MacDonald in the fold, the Flyers had little use for defenseman Andrej Meszaros.

    The Flyers traded Meszaros, who was scheduled to be scratched for the 25th game this season tonight against Washington, to the Bruins in exchange for a conditional third-round pick.

    The deal was first reported by Rogers Sportsnet’s Dan Murphy.

    The conditional pick will become a second-round pick if the Bruins reach the Eastern Conference final this season and Meszaros plays in at least two-thirds of Boston's games - or Meszaros is re-signed by Boston prior to the draft.

    Meszaros, 28, had his confidence shaken by numerous injuries and a lack of playing time with the Flyers. After a 295-game ironman streak to begin his career, Meszaros has dealt with multiple shoulder injuries and surgeries, a lower-back issue and a torn Achilles tendon.

    The Bruins were long-rumored to be interested in his services. Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli helped bring Meszaros to the NHL when he was with the Ottawa Senators as assistant GM in 2005.


    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/flyers/Meszaros-traded-to-Boston.html#rAQQKyRssFwEXXfQ.99

         Now...here's a cross-section of comments from Flyer fans on the trade: 

    1.) This is a good deal. You get a third rounder for a guy who is a free agent at the end of the year. They were not going to re-sign Meszaros anyway. Kimmo is going to come off the books as well and they have talented young defensemen coming along. They will have some cap room to play with this summer; 

    2.) The trade deadline has been a win for the Flyers. Basically upgraded the defense for a 2nd round pick and an oft-injured player. McDonald is essentially a healthy Meszaros that is better defensively and blocks a ton of shots....Also word is that the 3rd round pick could be higher depending on how far the Bruins go in the playoffs. Even better;

    3.) The Flyers spent a 2nd rounder to make themselves worse, the Bruins better, and not free up anything financially;

    4.) Terrible Deal...Let's keep Grossman who is like molasses on a zero degree day. Let's keep Gustafson who gets run over like Danica by the big boys in Nascar. Let's keep Coburn whose idea of physical(see:little Joe Pevelski) is akin to Ice Dancing. Meszaros was a Barry Ashbee winner as best defenseman 3 years ago. You don't just lose that talent(injuries aside). Then let's trade him to somebody in the same conference...IDIOTS!;

    5.) Mez is damaged goods:
    1. Shoulder surgery to repair a labrum tear - March 2009 Tampa
    2. Wrist surgery in 2011
    3. Lower Back Surgery ended Meszaros’ 2011-12 season
    4. 2012 Offseason Achilles injury while training in Slovakia
    5. Another shoulder surgery to repair a torn left rotator cuff - out of lineup from June 24 to March 9 2013
    Any nasty (typical playoff) hit could easily be the end of his career.

    6.) You cannot claim that a guy who was a healthy scratch for 25 games is being traded because of the cap. His cap hit wasn't bigger if he played in actual games. He couldn't break into the 6 man rotation. A third round pick is an insane return for such a player. If you want to argue the guy is a top 3 defenseman and the Flyers don't know it, fine, but its abundantly obvious the Flyers didn't think much of him and it had nothing to do with money;

    7.) This is what happens when an organization mismanages a salary cap. The net outcome of the Flyers trade deadline moves is that the Boston Bruins are better. Terrible;

    8.) Terrible deal. Meszaros has been a stud lately…Luke Schenn on the other hand is a turnover machine with a learning disability;

    9.) Don't know what you've been watching. Yes, he's chipped in some offensively, but he's terrible in the d-zone. Slow to the puck. Bad outlet passes. Refuses to clear the crease. Always out of position. That's why he's been in and out of the lineup. A 3rd rd pick is good value;

    10.) Does his recent "studliness" lead us to believe that Meszaros has made far strides past his injuries this season? If so, this, and his near wild ability to throw himself in front of shooters, makes him a potentially valuable addition, in combination with fellow Chech Chara...Boston needs to make up for loss of Seidenberg, who was physical, and could play the corners, whilst Chara would dog the slot area on power play defenses. Since November, Chara has had to go to the corner more, leaving Rask open out front.    ...Meszaros is still only 29 years old. Chiarelli kept tongue -in-cheek, and had comrade Chara telephone his prey, all the wile speaking some old Chech dialect. The Bruins were able to get the Flyers down from a desired 2nd rounder, to just a 3rd round pick....Corey Potter was also acquired today off waiver's. Look for Bruins to show more moxie and physical style defense to blend with Torey Krug and Dougie Hamilton. Meszaro's a needed veteran, who can guide the younger defencemen in Boston. The Bruins took advantage of this one, since he has an expiring contract...

         What say you, fellow B's fans? Do you like the trade? 

      

     who knew Chara is Czech? I doubt most Flyer fans could find either Slovakia or the Czech Republic on a map.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    With Andrew MacDonald in the fold, the Flyers had little use for defenseman Andrej Meszaros.

    The Flyers traded Meszaros, who was scheduled to be scratched for the 25th game this season tonight against Washington, to the Bruins in exchange for a conditional third-round pick.

    The deal was first reported by Rogers Sportsnet’s Dan Murphy.

    The conditional pick will become a second-round pick if the Bruins reach the Eastern Conference final this season and Meszaros plays in at least two-thirds of Boston's games - or Meszaros is re-signed by Boston prior to the draft.

    Meszaros, 28, had his confidence shaken by numerous injuries and a lack of playing time with the Flyers. After a 295-game ironman streak to begin his career, Meszaros has dealt with multiple shoulder injuries and surgeries, a lower-back issue and a torn Achilles tendon.

    The Bruins were long-rumored to be interested in his services. Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli helped bring Meszaros to the NHL when he was with the Ottawa Senators as assistant GM in 2005.


    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/flyers/Meszaros-traded-to-Boston.html#rAQQKyRssFwEXXfQ.99

         Now...here's a cross-section of comments from Flyer fans on the trade: 

    1.) This is a good deal. You get a third rounder for a guy who is a free agent at the end of the year. They were not going to re-sign Meszaros anyway. Kimmo is going to come off the books as well and they have talented young defensemen coming along. They will have some cap room to play with this summer; 

    2.) The trade deadline has been a win for the Flyers. Basically upgraded the defense for a 2nd round pick and an oft-injured player. McDonald is essentially a healthy Meszaros that is better defensively and blocks a ton of shots....Also word is that the 3rd round pick could be higher depending on how far the Bruins go in the playoffs. Even better;

    3.) The Flyers spent a 2nd rounder to make themselves worse, the Bruins better, and not free up anything financially;

    4.) Terrible Deal...Let's keep Grossman who is like molasses on a zero degree day. Let's keep Gustafson who gets run over like Danica by the big boys in Nascar. Let's keep Coburn whose idea of physical(see:little Joe Pevelski) is akin to Ice Dancing. Meszaros was a Barry Ashbee winner as best defenseman 3 years ago. You don't just lose that talent(injuries aside). Then let's trade him to somebody in the same conference...IDIOTS!;

    5.) Mez is damaged goods:
    1. Shoulder surgery to repair a labrum tear - March 2009 Tampa
    2. Wrist surgery in 2011
    3. Lower Back Surgery ended Meszaros’ 2011-12 season
    4. 2012 Offseason Achilles injury while training in Slovakia
    5. Another shoulder surgery to repair a torn left rotator cuff - out of lineup from June 24 to March 9 2013
    Any nasty (typical playoff) hit could easily be the end of his career.

    6.) You cannot claim that a guy who was a healthy scratch for 25 games is being traded because of the cap. His cap hit wasn't bigger if he played in actual games. He couldn't break into the 6 man rotation. A third round pick is an insane return for such a player. If you want to argue the guy is a top 3 defenseman and the Flyers don't know it, fine, but its abundantly obvious the Flyers didn't think much of him and it had nothing to do with money;

    7.) This is what happens when an organization mismanages a salary cap. The net outcome of the Flyers trade deadline moves is that the Boston Bruins are better. Terrible;

    8.) Terrible deal. Meszaros has been a stud lately…Luke Schenn on the other hand is a turnover machine with a learning disability;

    9.) Don't know what you've been watching. Yes, he's chipped in some offensively, but he's terrible in the d-zone. Slow to the puck. Bad outlet passes. Refuses to clear the crease. Always out of position. That's why he's been in and out of the lineup. A 3rd rd pick is good value;

    10.) Does his recent "studliness" lead us to believe that Meszaros has made far strides past his injuries this season? If so, this, and his near wild ability to throw himself in front of shooters, makes him a potentially valuable addition, in combination with fellow Chech Chara...Boston needs to make up for loss of Seidenberg, who was physical, and could play the corners, whilst Chara would dog the slot area on power play defenses. Since November, Chara has had to go to the corner more, leaving Rask open out front.    ...Meszaros is still only 29 years old. Chiarelli kept tongue -in-cheek, and had comrade Chara telephone his prey, all the wile speaking some old Chech dialect. The Bruins were able to get the Flyers down from a desired 2nd rounder, to just a 3rd round pick....Corey Potter was also acquired today off waiver's. Look for Bruins to show more moxie and physical style defense to blend with Torey Krug and Dougie Hamilton. Meszaro's a needed veteran, who can guide the younger defencemen in Boston. The Bruins took advantage of this one, since he has an expiring contract...

         What say you, fellow B's fans? Do you like the trade? 

      

     who knew Chara is Czech? I doubt most Flyer fans could find either Slovakia or the Czech Republic on a map.

    LOL!!!

     

     

     
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    8.) Terrible deal. Meszaros has been a stud lately…Luke Schenn on the other hand is a turnover machine with a learning disability;

     

    Pure gold.

     

     
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    Hard to believe Burke wouldn't include Schenn in a deal to get the first overall pick and grab Tavares, isn't it?

     
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         But then, there's this sobering train of thought: http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/haggerty-meszaros-isnt-enough-cup-caliber-team [/QUOTE]


    If you read any of Haggs cr@p or share his opinion.

     
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    Hard to believe Burke wouldn't include Schenn in a deal to get the first overall pick and grab Tavares, isn't it?

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    Snow wasn't willing to do that deal but whoever was Tampa's GM (Feaster?) was willing to swap the 2nd for TO's 7th overall pick(ended up being Kadri)& Schenn,Burke wouldn't do it,said Schenn was untouchable and a big part of TO's future.We all know how that worked out,plus even if Burke did the swap he would have only gotten Hedman as Snow ,who wouldn't show his cards till the end,took Tavares.I guess the question really is,would the Lerfs have been better off with Hedman?

     
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    In response to TexasPat's comment:[QUOTE]

         But then, there's this sobering train of thought: http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/haggerty-meszaros-isnt-enough-cup-caliber-team [/QUOTE]


    If you read any of Haggs cr@p or share his opinion.

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    How is anything in that article sobering? Looks like another regurgitation of the insane "GO GET SOMEBODY" stuff that's been flying around all week. My question is: why? Why would you blow up this team now for a Vanek, or Gaborik, or any other "big fish"?

     

    Why, Stanley, why?

     

    This is starting to make me insane. The B's are 6th overall in the league, second in the Eastern Conference, tied for 4th in scoring, second overall in GAA. They're the best team in the league in 5v5 goal differential, etc. etc. etc. This is an elite team, again.

     

    It's amazing that so many people "out there" just want big news, period. Also, ironic that Hags mentions those big deals that brought "key Cup figures like Dennis Seidenberg, Chris Kelly, and Mark Recchi"...ALL of which transactions, at the time they were made, brought the same reaction that people are having now.  

     
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    Why, Stanley, why?



    I think it's because it brings that "new car smell" to the team.  That big-name acquisition makes it feel like October again.

     

    As for Mezsaros, it's interesting to see how wide a range of views there are.  Sounds like some of the same kinds of discussions that happen here.

     
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