Re: How's everyone feeling about the B's this offseason?
posted at 7/21/2014 4:06 PM EDT
In response to shuperman's comment:
Just not a fan of 10% of the cap going to a goalie. When i think a decent goalie would post vezina #s in this system. You missed a majority of the Rask signing last summer. It is what it is. I just cringe when we continue to lose guys like seguin, possibly more(marchand/boychuk/dk). There is only so much cash to go around. I dont think he would have rejected 6m over 8. I just dont know where they got those numbers.
Chowda is likely right and in a few yrs this deal may look great. Unfortunately i also think in a few yrs his chances of winning decrease.
Cheers my friend. I will let it die again. [you can try...but you know you love to bring it up again]
Listen, everybody. It's true. I love shupe. I can't help it any more than he can. He even admits to altering his behaviour because he wants to talk to me. I had a girlfriend like that who would do things to annoy me just so I'd pay attention to her...in junior high school.
shupe, this is the part you never address. You cringe at the idea of losing Boychuk on a $5M+ deal, you hate the idea of losing a first line RW who can't stay healthy because the market overpays him, but when it's a goalie you think it's nuts?
You keep bringing up Rask's lack of leverage, but you'd make a terrible agent if that's your position. Rask may have been a RFA, but he would be a UFA today - 1 year later. No way he looks at what other top goalies are getting paid (remember, Quick's deal is for $7M with a back dive that was no longer legal) and agrees to take less while also giving up his UFA rights for 4-5 years. Which brings us to the other sticking point in your favorite narrative where they say "take this or go yodel": arbitration. Most likely, if Rask feels he's not getting the deal he deserves, he takes them to arbitration and gets something pretty close to what they agreed to if the arbitrator looks at the consistency of his statistics and compares him to Rinne, Lundqvist, Quick.... I mean, even you generally admit that Rask is a very good goaltender, so an arbitrator likely says "this is the market value" and Rask gets a 1 or 2 year deal at a Price-like $6.5M. That deal ends, and now he's UFA and wondering why Lundqvist gets $8.5 when Rask is the reigning Vezina winner and has done everything the King has done. That would have been madness, and yes, someone would take an $8M run at a UFA Vezina winner. You could easily argue Rask left money on the table signing when he did for the length of time he did.
You're right, I didn't include Seguin in my last list of other deals, so: do you think Seguin ever scores like he did in Dallas if he stays in Boston? He regressed in the lockout season, going back to a lot of the bad habits he had as a rookie. But he got his almost $6M/yr extension after 1 year of high-level production because Hall and Eberle got theirs - market. Shouldn't you be ripping Chiarelli for the Seguin deal? Where are the recurring comments saying that if Seguin had signed a two year bridge deal just like Subban's, the Bruins wouldn't have had to deal him, and they still would have been able to add Iginla? In fact, if Seguin is on the books for $3M in his fourth season, and say they trade Peverley and a pick for Smith (humour me), their bonus overage would also have dropped to $3.5M. They'd also have another $1.25M to play with this year (the difference between Seguin's bridge deal and Eriksson's contract), for a total of $2.5M in additional flexibility this year, which might have meant they could have made a more attractive one year offer to Elvis. You don't bring up any of this when you complain that Rask's deal meant they had to lose Seguin. Seguin's deal meant they had to lose Seguin. He hadn't earned $6M. Neither have Hall or Eberle. These fantasy stat based deals for young forwards are all over the place (Evander Kane, anyone?) and they are a far greater abomination than the high end goalie contracts.
I think this team has a much better chance of winning a Cup with Rask, Smith, Eriksson and co. than with Svedberg, Ochocinco, Seguin and heck throw in Horton. Or Iginla. But not both.