Re: I miss Bergie
posted at 4/9/2013 12:10 PM EDT
I don't know how I'd go about slotting Bergeron against the top C's in the game. We've been treating this like a game of pick-up where you pick the team in a certain order, but that's a different thing, I think, than saying where Bergeron should fit in terms of what he brings to the table for this or any team. On the list people have proposed, I see six guys I would take over Bergeron in almost any circumstance, four guys who are, in my eyes, a wash in terms of overall capacity to impact the game and get your team wins, and one guy who has slipped below the Bergeron line. There are other guys who aren't on the list who currently score more than PB. E. Staal I put in the above category (great player). Kadri, Backstrom, Ribiero, Duchene, Gagner, JT Superstar, Stepan, Koivu - I'd take Bergeron ahead of any of them.
Stamkos - best shooter in the game at C, no question, but an intriguing animal in that he's a C who gets more goals than assists. A one-timer machine. The only question in my mind is, once St.Louis is retired, will the Bolts have anyone who can feather those one-timer passes to him? Can he maintain that 90+ point habit if he has to generate his own shot more often? Remember 2010-11 when he had 24 goals in his first 30 games and ended the season with 45? I think you have to take him above Bergeron because he's a dynamite scorer, but I don't think the gap in terms of overall impact is as high as some might think.
Crosby - No argument. Best offensive player in the game and plays a no-nonsense, straight-line game.
Malkin - No argument. Can put a team on his back when healthy.
Tavares - Looks more and more like a franchise centre.
Datyuk - A more creative offensive player than Bergeron, and more effective on the PP.
Toews - I've said a lot about how much I value Toews, including that he's the one guy who, if he were traded for Bergeron straight up, I would be more excited to get him than sad to see Bergeron go. When healthy, goes on the world stage and dominates against the best players in the world.
Getzlaf - Prototypical size and skill, but is he the kind of dominant scorer that makes it an easy decision to take him over Bergeron? What would the Ducks' top line do with Bergeron in in place of Getzlaf? We know Bergeron and Perry play well together.... What would the Bruins' second line do with Getzlaf in place of Bergeron? Getzlaf is also a 20-25 goal scorer most years - roughly comparable to Bergeron. I'm tempted to say this is a question of two players who differ in what they bring to the table, but it isn't a tap in for Getzlaf.
Sedin - I actually like him better without his brother. Bergeron actually has more goals over the last three years than Sedin, and I would have Bergeron on the ice in more key situations than Henrik. Probably a wash, in my eyes.
Kopitar - Like Getzlaf, he's prototypical. Doesn't score as much as Getzlaf, but doesn't play with Perry and Ryan, either. Scores more goals. But in terms of impact on games, etc., I think this is the stat that would make me put Bergeron and Kopitar in the same pick-em group: Cup season, Bergeron: 20 points. Kopitar: 20 points. Bergeron played 3 more games, but also had to deal with coming back after the concussion.
Giroux - Best player in the world? Well, that passed quickly. I like Giroux a lot, and, again, better offensive player, but it's not all about points. Into the pick-em pile.
Lecavalier - I would take Bergeron before Vinny at this point, every day all day. Not because of his calendar age but because he is only rarely the dominant force he once was. He scores only slightly more than Bergeron.