I thought Thomas Was Done Talking???

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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : The ONLY reason you keep the argument going is to do EXACTLY what the media wants. Create a distraction so your pansy team has a better chance to win! You only come in here to cause debates & ruffle feathers. You have almost nothing knowledgeable to say about the game of hockey. All you are is hot-air that come here to create issues & talk about how badly things are in Boston instead of worrying about your poor excuse of a hockey team. You're nothing but a poisonous snake that slithers around to benefit yourself.
    Posted by nitemare-38


    Uh, have a look around,  nite -- I'm hardly the only one chiming in on this discussion -- and I'm certainly not the only one who  thinks TT has only himself to blame for this mess.

    Yet, I'm the one you single out?  Maybe toss some that blame game on the Boston media, peppering TT with questions during his media scrum.
     
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    A line from the first Spiderman movie comes to mind: "With great power comes great responsibility".  Not saying that Thomas has "great power" as an orator, but people obviously listen when he speaks (or posts).  I believe Free Speech comes with certain responsibilities -- you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre, for example, and claim free speech.  Making the occasional controversial posting in a public setting, and then stating that you're not going to answer questions about it, is flat out ducking that responsibility.  Thomas claims he's "taking the Fifth", which means that he has the right not make self-incriminating statements.  What would he be saying to the media that would put him in that situation?
    Posted by 49-North


    Sorry bro, but your bias is showing despite your clever attempt to disguise it.

    What your really saying is that free speech is ok,unless you have a conservative point of view -then you will go ahead and label it as "controversial". Then after making such a "controversial posting" you should have to defend yourself publicly.

    The simple fact is that if TT said he wasn't going to the white house because he didn't think that the government wasn't doing enough on global warming or green energy - then you wouldn't be saying anything right now. Nobody would.He certainly would never be asked to defend such "controversial comments". The comments would be overwhelmingly positive, especially from the media. Now if you can't acknowledge that as reality, then everything you say beyond that is obviously biased and irrelevant.
     
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    President Barack Obama inherits the worst economy in 50 years, he's saddled with two wars and an revenue shortfall because of tax breaks for the wealthy.

    No tea party in sight, no display of outrage from the right for the last administration.

    Then the first non white president faces all the accusations of "not being one of us" "a Muslim" " a socialist" "a foreigner"  . He's called everything except the "N" word to make sure their not labeled racists. Then to top it off the Republicans openly admit they want to see his recovery programs fail.

    A total republican media blitz to demonize our elected president.

    Where was TT and the rest of the Beck groupies

     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : Yeah, it's a hockey forum, that went political.  From there, you try to steer it to Genocide and Nazism.  
    Posted by stevegm


    steve, I've been trying really hard not to insult you (if you don't have anything nice to say...) despite your inability to grasp a very simple concept.  Aside from everything else in this debate, the poem is about the Holocaust plain and simple.  To say it isn't is like saying the National Anthem isn't about America.  I'm not doing anymore 8th grade European history here.  In your desperation to defend all things Thomas you're going way, way off the deep end here.  Pull it together and message me if you want to have the same ridiculous back and forth, over and over, without conceding the obvious.  No reason for everyone else to have to read it.  Got it? 
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : Sorry bro, but your bias is showing despite your clever attempt to disguise it. What your really saying is that free speech is ok,unless you have a conservative point of view -then you will go ahead and label it as "controversial". Then after making such a "controversial posting" you should have to defend yourself publicly. The simple fact is that if TT said he wasn't going to the white house because he didn't think that the government wasn't doing enough on global warming or green energy - then you wouldn't be saying anything right now. Nobody would.He certainly would never be asked to defend such "controversial comments". The comments would be overwhelmingly positive, especially from the media. Now if you can't acknowledge that as reality, then everything you say beyond that is obviously biased and irrelevant.
    Posted by JWensink

    Jwens, that's true because then we would all understand the point he's trying to make. That's been my only issue with his statements. I don't really get exactly what he's for (or against).
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : Uh, have a look around,  nite -- I'm hardly the only one chiming in on this discussion -- and I'm certainly not the only one who  thinks TT has only himself to blame for this mess. Yet, I'm the one you single out?  Maybe toss some that blame game on the Boston media, peppering TT with questions during his media scrum.
    Posted by 49-North

    No, but you are the ONLY one who isn't a Bruins fan! You do this all the time! You come in here spouting off your negative opinions about the B's. Then spout off & try to make your Canucks sound so positive! This is a free forum, but you're still the outsider! You're still the minority! We have others part of that minority like Kennedy that come in here, but he doesn't come in & sing praises about his Habs & stick it to the Bruins! YOU DO! 
     
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    free speech IS the debate, everything else is driven by personal feelings/beliefs, and is completely irrelevant.
    Posted by adkbeesfan

    Ad I don't think anybody in here is debating free speech! I think the issue is whether or not Thomas is using it at a bad time. The argument is about whether TT should pick his spots better. The argument is whether his personal comments are bothering the team. Some think it is, some don't think it is. My whole take on it is the same thing when we have people saying. "Don't feed the trolls" threads. This whole TT thing is EXACTLY the same way! If nobody responds to it. It'll go away, but if the "trolls" which in this case is the media get a reaction. They keep it going. The media knows the right button to push. TSN knows the right button to push. And the media will never starve when they have the type of people in here who react EXACTLY how the media wants them to react. Or, you get others who refuse to see the real meaning behind the quote. This causes the reaction & it snowballs. The media runs & tells the Bruins players how upset the fans are. The Bruins then look at TT & say "Why didn't you keep your mouth shut!" Bang! You now have tension & players that once had a lot of like & respect for another player has dwindled. Which now once was a united dressing room, is now breaking off and/or split. Right now the media is winning! It won't be the Bruins fault if they don't win, because of the distraction. It'll be our fault the fans who caused the distraction. Not Thomas. 
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : No, but you are the ONLY one who isn't a Bruins fan! You do this all the time! You come in here spouting off your negative opinions about the B's. Then spout off & try to make your Canucks sound so positive! This is a free forum, but you're still the outsider! You're still the minority! We have others part of that minority like Kennedy that come in here, but he doesn't come in & sing praises about his Habs & stick it to the Bruins! YOU DO! 
    Posted by nitemare-38


    a wolf in a sheep suit.
     
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    Posted by BsLegion

    It didn't work on Looney Tunes either.
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : No, but you are the ONLY one who isn't a Bruins fan! You do this all the time! You come in here spouting off your negative opinions about the B's. Then spout off & try to make your Canucks sound so positive! This is a free forum, but you're still the outsider! You're still the minority! We have others part of that minority like Kennedy that come in here, but he doesn't come in & sing praises about his Habs & stick it to the Bruins! YOU DO! 
    Posted by nitemare-38


    Huh?  Show me an instance, in this whole Thomas controversy, where I have made a comment which makes the Canucks look good in comparison.  Not once have I said anything like: "If this was Kesler who said this, the Canucks would ....(blah blah blah)..."
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : Sorry bro, but your bias is showing despite your clever attempt to disguise it. What your really saying is that free speech is ok,unless you have a conservative point of view -then you will go ahead and label it as "controversial". Then after making such a "controversial posting" you should have to defend yourself publicly. The simple fact is that if TT said he wasn't going to the white house because he didn't think that the government wasn't doing enough on global warming or green energy - then you wouldn't be saying anything right now. Nobody would.He certainly would never be asked to defend such "controversial comments". The comments would be overwhelmingly positive, especially from the media. Now if you can't acknowledge that as reality, then everything you say beyond that is obviously biased and irrelevant.
    Posted by JWensink


    No bias.  I'm simply saying that TT's "hit and run" modus operandi is one of the things landing him in hot water.  If he's so committed to "the cause", then why is he so reluctant to speak about it?  He's a celebrity, so people listen to him -- why do Bono's comments carry so much weight when he speaks about eliminating poverty in Africa?  Two reasons:  he's one of the biggest rock stars in the world, and he's shown that he's committed to it.  He talks about it during his concerts, during benefit events, and virtually every time he has the opportunity. He's clearly committed to the cause.

    I don't care what your cause is -- if you're committed enough to blow off a team function to stand up for it, then TALK about it, and try to advance the cause.  That's what I don't get about TT's actions.  If you're gonna do what he did, and put management in an uncomfortable position, it had better be for a darned good reason!  If you believe in that reason, then do what you can to work for it. 

    I'm speaking only of TT's PROCESS, not his CAUSE.
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : right! one in depth facebook post or interview and then the whole thing is forgotten about within a week. his half @55 attempt at making a stand is extending the whole situation.
    Posted by ricky12684

    That's always been my only problem in this "issue".
     
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    Just to remind people. Nazi's are/were  a far far right wing political party. How do the nuts on the far right (Thomas included) equate policy decisions happening today in the Whitehouse with Nazi's on one hand and they call the President a Socialist or Communist which are left and far far left political systems. You can almost hear the banjo's playing when Thomas talks. Shut up and stop pucks!!
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : No bias.  I'm simply saying that TT's "hit and run" modus operandi is one of the things landing him in hot water.  If he's so committed to "the cause", then why is he so reluctant to speak about it?  He's a celebrity, so people listen to him -- why do Bono's comments carry so much weight when he speaks about eliminating poverty in Africa?  Two reasons:  he's one of the biggest rock stars in the world, and he's shown that he's committed to it.  He talks about it during his concerts, during benefit events, and virtually every time he has the opportunity. He's clearly committed to the cause. I don't care what your cause is -- if you're committed enough to blow off a team function to stand up for it, then TALK about it, and try to advance the cause.  That's what I don't get about TT's actions.  If you're gonna do what he did, and put management in an uncomfortable position, it had better be for a darned good reason!  If you believe in that reason, then do what you can to work for it.  I'm speaking only of TT's PROCESS, not his CAUSE.
    Posted by 49-North


    You have already decided TT has "landed in hot water" ...which is ridiculous, and is of course a result of your liberal viewpoint.

    He would not be in any "hot water" if he spoke out against drilling for oil or Guantanamo Bay. You are unwilling to address, or accept that point for obvious reasons. 

    It's double standard - double talk code B$ - hypocrisy

    You only speak of TT's process because you disagree with his cause.

     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : You have already decided TT has "landed in hot water" ...which is ridiculous, and is of course a result of your liberal viewpoint. He would not be in any "hot water" if he spoke out against drilling for oil or Guantanamo Bay. You are unwilling to address, or accept that point for obvious reasons.  It's double standard - double talk code B$ - hypocrisy You only speak of TT's process because you disagree with his cause.
    Posted by JWensink


    Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree on ths one.
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : steve, I've been trying really hard not to insult you (if you don't have anything nice to say...) despite your inability to grasp a very simple concept.  Aside from everything else in this debate, the poem is about the Holocaust plain and simple.  To say it isn't is like saying the National Anthem isn't about America.  I'm not doing anymore 8th grade European history here.  In your desperation to defend all things Thomas you're going way, way off the deep end here.  Pull it together and message me if you want to have the same ridiculous back and forth, over and over, without conceding the obvious.  No reason for everyone else to have to read it.  Got it? 
    Posted by Fletcher1


    You really are a pompous assss when you get caught being childish aren't you?  If you've been reading this stuff, you'll see I've had all kinds of nice things to say.
    But obviously you haven't.  The dumbest shiiiit in America could fathom I'm not defending Thomas.

    The "poem is all about the Holocaust plain and simple" 

    That is you're written position.

    Guess....another review is necessary.

    The "poem". 

    If you read it, you'll notice it uses 5 verses, to drive home it's main point.  Those 5 topics get EQUAL BILLING and are:
     1. communists
    2.jews
    3.trade unionists
    4.catholics
    5.me/you/us

    If you're not starting to feel a bit foolish....you should be.  Pretty obvious why you want to spare other posters.

    Again.  You state, the poem is " All about the holocaust plain and simple".  Care to revisit that? ....... And when reasonable, logical people don't want to accept that, you get tired of discussing it?

    Do you really feel your "interpretation'... means more than what the author expressly wrote?  He wrote about comi's and unionists and catholics.....and we're supposed to ignore all of that and buy your theory that it means "Obama is being compared to Hitler" ?...or that it's all about "the genocide of 6 million people?????????  
    Well it ain't, plain and simple. The most intellectually challenged among us, should know better than to float that idea.
    Regardless of our situation, we're generally programmed to hate those who may be Nazi.  The guy who wrote this is an Anti Nazi.
    Fletch, you over reacted to this crap wildly, and you know it.  You threw gas on the fire.  In attempting to further your cause, you went over the line. If you feel diminished by admitting that fine.  Just stop responding.
     
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    Disclaimer: I'm drunk

    anyways, I've been thinking about this, and I've come around on Timmah. As anyone can tell, I haven't been a fan of his, and I've called for his removal from the team. But now, I think this is the way to look @ our goalie (even if you are like me, an ultra-left socialist that wants to see fox news radioactive)

    • I am fairly political myself, and I regularly broadcast my beliefs on Facebook (although I try to be tactful). I grew up as an excellent hockey player, and although I never was close to the pro level, I feel passionate about some of the problems of this world and some of the political roadblocks keeping us from advancing (i.e., the widespread scientific illiteracy that is the norm across the USA). Let's say lightning struck (twice?) and I made it to the NHL, I would probably resent feeling muted by Jon and Jen theist if I tried suggesting that our country has lost it's grip on reasonableness.
    • So T.T. disaggrees with me, and I think from what limited information that I have about T.T., that he's probably foolish politically...but I think now... So what??? O.k.,  I think he's easy to manipulate, I think he probably doesn't have a high IQ, and I think its an embarassment that he can't see how  poisonous Glenn Beck is (his hero).... Our teams goalie is at an early teen level intellectually IMO.....But, I decided something tonight... although I don't like tim Thomas' political positions, I am not going to take a militant position against him.. because that is EXACTLY what I dispise about the people he has been manipulated by. I am going to listen to everything he says about the federal government, and even though I haven't seen any sign of intellectual honesty on his part... and any sign that he's considered the opposite view point, I am going to hope that he will come around and take a more open stance. I am not gonna ignore him because he hasn't said anything that can be interpreted as mean. He just seems worried about the world around him, and I share his concern (even though we have polar opposite beliefs on how to remedy it)

      I mean, The worst thing that Tim Thomas is is wrong about the role of government in this world. that's it.. and when you start thinking about it, that isn't something to be mad at.
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : bim09, buddy, when you do a quick google search to desperately prove a point you ignorantly tried to make, you should read the ENTIRE article. The following quote from the decision has given rise to the misunderstanding that in 1892 the Supreme Court endorsed the idea that the United States is officially in law a "Christian Nation": These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. 143 U.S. 457 (1892) [ 2 ] Perhaps realizing how his phrasing could create mischief and misinterpretation, Justice Brewer published a book in 1905 titled The United States: A Christian Nation. In it he wrote: But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions. Justice Brewer's decision was not, therefore, any attempt to argue that the laws in the United States should enforce Christianity or reflect solely Christian concerns and beliefs. He was simply making an observation which is consistent with the fact that Americans tend to be Christian. [ 3 ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Trinity_v._United_States   again, the US was not founded on christianity. native americans were not christians, the "christians" were foreigners who came here and forced christianity on everyone, the reason for the native americans being exterminated by european christians is that they refused to convert. but you can live in pretend land if you want. i won't argue with you, you can't argue with a dogmatic fool.
    Posted by ricky12684

    You keep quoting letters and books. I'll stick to the legal documents of historical facts.

    As far as your assersion that the indians wouldn't convert so we waged war on them, there were many different tribes of indians in that day.  Some were friendly, some weren't.  Some helped the north during the war, some helped the south.  To lump them all into one catagory as hostiles due to religious dissent is just plain fallacious.

    One tribe in particular, the Blackfoot located in the upper midwest, almost single handedly destroyed the northern group of the Lewis and Clark expedition because we were "trespassing" on their land.  That's far different than what you affirm.  And factually true, I might add.

    So, you wanna talk Indians, now.  We can talk Indians.  But they weren't all "religious dessenters", nor were they all territorial warriors. The issue was very complex and more about two cultures coming together, not solely about Native American's vs Christianity.
     
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    You're the distraction.
     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking??? : You really are a pompous assss when you get caught being childish aren't you?  If you've been reading this stuff, you'll see I've had all kinds of nice things to say. But obviously you haven't.  The dumbest shiiiit in America could fathom I'm not defending Thomas. The "poem is all about the Holocaust plain and simple"  That is you're written position. Guess....another review is necessary. The "poem".  If you read it, you'll notice it uses 5 verses, to drive home it's main point.  Those 5 topics get EQUAL BILLING and are:  1. communists 2.jews 3.trade unionists 4.catholics 5.me/you/us If you're not starting to feel a bit foolish....you should be.  Pretty obvious why you want to spare other posters. Again.  You state, the poem is " All about the holocaust plain and simple".  Care to revisit that? ....... And when reasonable, logical people don't want to accept that, you get tired of discussing it? Do you really feel your "interpretation'... means more than what the author expressly wrote?  He wrote about comi's and unionists and catholics.....and we're supposed to ignore all of that and buy your theory that it means "Obama is being compared to Hitler" ?...or that it's all about "the genocide of 6 million people?????????   Well it ain't, plain and simple. The most intellectually challenged among us, should know better than to float that idea. Regardless of our situation, we're generally programmed to hate those who may be Nazi.  The guy who wrote this is an Anti Nazi. Fletch, you over reacted to this crap wildly, and you know it.  You threw gas on the fire.  In attempting to further your cause, you went over the line. If you feel diminished by admitting that fine.  Just stop responding.
    Posted by stevegm


    Ha,  Taking another run at me again, and again its like you're trying to argue that the sky isn't blue on a sunny day.  You want pompous and childish?  Read above.  Well done.  I'll ignore all the personal stuff and stick to the argument.

    steve, there have been a lot of posters here defending what Thomas wrote, and doing a very good job of it.  Nite, Kelvana, and others have actually made some very good arguments and chnaged my thoughts on some level.  Some of the discussion has been very good and there are valid points on both sides.

    Then we have your argument, which really has nothing to do with Thomas at all.  You've staked out your argument on the utterly absurd contention that the peom Thomas used in his comment "has absolutely no correlation to Hitler or the Nazis".  So instead of stooping to your level of namecalling and deflections, let's review the facts:

    -the poem begins with 'in Germany'
    -the poem specifically mentions the rounding up of the Jews.
    -the poem was written by Martin Niemoller.  Apparently you don't know who he is, so I'll help you out.  He lived in Germany during the Holocaust, was captured by the Nazis for supporting Jews and was sent to the infamous concentration camp Daccau for 8 years.
    -This peom was a reflection of his experience.  IT IS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST.

    So, you can just admit you were wrong in what you said, or you can continue to be childish.  This is the single stupidest argument I have ever had on this board, because it isn't even about Thomas or the Bruins and you are clinging to a point that you are obviously wrong about.  Honestly, I'd love to get past this and hear your comments on something else -- from past experience I have found your thoughts to usually be pretty inciteful.

    Just admit you're wrong about the poem.  It's already obvious.  I admit I am wrong all the time and it will make you feel better.  Cheers.
     
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    -the poem begins with 'in Germany' 
    -the poem specifically mentions the rounding up of the Jews.
    -the poem was written by Martin Niemoller.  Apparently you don't know who he is, so I'll help you out.  He lived in Germany during the Holocaust, was captured by the Nazis for supporting Jews and was sent to the infamous concentration camp Daccau for 8 years.
    -This peom was a reflection of his experience.  IT IS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST.

    .  Cheers.
    Posted by Fletcher1[/QUOTE]



    Yes this is true but you have to read the bio on him to understand how and why he came to feel the way he did. He initially (as did many others) supported Hitler.

    "However, Niemöller only gradually abandoned his national conservative views and even made pejorative remarks about Jews of faith while protecting—in his own church—baptised Christians, persecuted as Jews by the Nazis, due to their or their forefathers' Jewish descent. In one sermon in 1935, he remarked: "What is the reason for [their] obvious punishment, which has lasted for thousands of years? Dear brethren, the reason is easily given: the Jews brought the Christ of God to the cross!"

    'considers Niemöller "an opportunist who had no quarrel with Hitler politically and only began to oppose the Nazis when Hitler threatened to attack the churches."


     why he ever supported the Nazi Party, Niemöller replied:

    I find myself wondering about that too. I wonder about it as much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: "There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany."

    I really believed, given the widespread anti-Semitism in Germany, at that time—that Jews should avoid aspiring to Government positions or seats in the Reichstag. There were many Jews, especially among the Zionists, who took a similar stand. Hitler's assurance satisfied me at the time. On the other hand, I hated the growing atheistic movement, which was fostered and promoted by the Social Democrats and the Communists. Their hostility toward the Church made me pin my hopes on Hitler for a while.

    I am paying for that mistake now; and not me alone, but thousands of other persons like me.


    So, yes it is about ther Holocaust but because it was written as a result of the horror of what was Nazi Germany at the hands of Hitler and the SS. However, it is not specifically about the rounding up of the Jews but about speaking up when it doesn't apply to you - otherwise who will speak up for you. Which is what was said about 6 pages of threads ago. 

     

    'There were no minutes or copy of what I said, and it may be that I formulated it differently. But the idea was anyhow: The communists, we still let that happen calmly; and the trade unions, we also let that happen; and we even let the Social Democrats happen. All of that was not our affair. The Church did not concern itself with politics at all at that time, and it shouldn't have anything do with them either." 


    This thread has really gone down a path that has nothing to do with the original posting. You're both right in your argument - you're justing looking at it from different positions. maybe it's time to just agree to disagree??

     
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    In Response to Re: I thought Thomas Was Done Talking???:
    Disclaimer: I'm drunk anyways, I've been thinking about this, and I've come around on Timmah. As anyone can tell, I haven't been a fan of his, and I've called for his removal from the team. But now, I think this is the way to look @ our goalie (even if you are like me, an ultra-left socialist that wants to see fox news radioactive) I am fairly political myself, and I regularly broadcast my beliefs on Facebook (although I try to be tactful). I grew up as an excellent hockey player, and although I never was close to the pro level, I feel passionate about some of the problems of this world and some of the political roadblocks keeping us from advancing (i.e., the widespread scientific illiteracy that is the norm across the USA). Let's say lightning struck (twice?) and I made it to the NHL, I would probably resent feeling muted by Jon and Jen theist if I tried suggesting that our country has lost it's grip on reasonableness. So T.T. disaggrees with me, and I think from what limited information that I have about T.T., that he's probably foolish politically...but I think now... So what??? O.k.,  I think he's easy to manipulate, I think he probably doesn't have a high IQ, and I think its an embarassment that he can't see how  poisonous Glenn Beck is (his hero).... Our teams goalie is at an early teen level intellectually IMO.....But, I decided something tonight... although I don't like tim Thomas' political positions, I am not going to take a militant position against him.. because that is EXACTLY what I dispise about the people he has been manipulated by. I am going to listen to everything he says about the federal government, and even though I haven't seen any sign of intellectual honesty on his part... and any sign that he's considered the opposite view point, I am going to hope that he will come around and take a more open stance. I am not gonna ignore him because he hasn't said anything that can be interpreted as mean. He just seems worried about the world around him, and I share his concern (even though we have polar opposite beliefs on how to remedy it) I mean, The worst thing that Tim Thomas is is wrong about the role of government in this world. that's it.. and when you start thinking about it, that isn't something to be mad at.
    Posted by Olsonic


    You really should drink more OLS.  You nailed it.
     
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