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    In Case You Missed It

    New Forum Bomber BassFishing has a history lesson for you.  I really don't like call out threads, but this joker has been bombarding us with malarky for weeks.  It's important for everyone to understand how much he actually knows.  And, hey, you might learn a thing or two about Bobby Orr while you're here.

    BassFishingII's comment:

    Fact is, those late 70s teams were nothing but a hardworking, entertaining team but dealing Orr and getting really nothing back, only to save money and then to put that business plan into place knowing you make your money in a bloated expansion league where it was EASY to make the playoffs, was a dream come true for crook like ol Jeremy.

    Then Red stepped in:

    red75's comment:

    WTF?  Orr was never traded, he left as a free agent. Plus Jacobs offered Orr 18.6 per cent of ownership in the Bruins if he would stay, but Eagleson lied to Orr about that. 18.6 per cent! Yeah, that sure sounds cheap to me.

    Which prompted this downright amazing response:

    BassFishingII's comment:

    That was total spin by Jacobs on the way out the door to save face. Totally false. If that is true, why isn't that offer there when he retired? Is Orr part owner now?

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    Okay, ummm, out of all the stupid stuff in those comments, the one about giving Orr an offer of Bruins shares upon retirement is....well....I guess it speaks for itself.

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    Phenomenal! Who'd have thunk it? Oh ya.... his hockey knowledge is second to none!

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    In response to mikzor's comment:

    Okay, ummm, out of all the stupid stuff in those comments, the one about giving Orr an offer of Bruins shares upon retirement is....well....I guess it speaks for itself.

    Well, mikzor, the B's did offer Orr part of the team.  The problem was that his agent didn't tell him about it.  Orr's agent, Alan Eagleson, had a backroom deal with Bill Wirtz, the owner of Chicago. 

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    The point is, Jacobs let Orr walk for nothing when it would have made more sense to at least keep him on the team and maybe reduce his minutes.

    They were too cheap AND he got nothing because they refused to trade him a year earlier.

    They offered him a huge stake in team ownership.  That's cheap?  WTH is wrong with you?

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    Oh god. What a troll. I was thinking of the Hawks and B's trade from a decade earlier when I mispoke. Doesn't change the fact that Jacobs didn't reaally care about the team, but he cared about money, exclusively, first and foremost.  Get over it.  It's the truth even for little Jacobs Apologists and minions who kept feeding his pockets through 2004 and 2005 in that quite vault named the Fleetcenter or whatever corporate flavor of the day he'd put it up for bids for back then.

    The point is, Jacobs let Orr walk for nothing when it would have made more sense to at least keep him on the team and maybe reduce his minutes.

    They were too cheap AND he got nothing because they refused to trade him a year earlier.


    You've spent a decent amount of time bragging about all of the time you spent in the old Garden.  Weren't you lining Jacobs' pocket also?

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    BOBBY ORR Bibliography

    Early in the 1900s, Robert Orr moved his family to a small Canadian town called Parry Sound.  Robert's son, Doug, was an exceptional athlete.  He excelled in track and hockey.  Doug Orr had the potential to play in the N.H.L., but joined the Navy instead.  Doug married Arva Steele and the couple settled in Parry Sound after World War II.

    Children soon began to fill the Orr household.  Their first child was a girl, Pat, followed by a son, Ron.  On March 20th, 1948 Arva Orr gave birth to her third child. 
    It was a difficult birth and the child's survival was in question, but this was no average baby.  This infant would grow to become Robert Gordon Orr, hockey's greatest player...EVER!

    Arva and Doug Orr named their young son after his paternal grandfather, who had been a professional soccer player in Ireland before immigrating to Canada. 

    Bobby began skating at the age of four, on a pair of skates that Gene Fernier, a friend of Doug Orr, had given to Bobby.  The Seguin River was where young Bobby began his skating. 
    He would spend several hours a day practicing his skating on the river and then spend an extra hour at night, taking shooting practice in his garage on Great North Rd.

    Bobby quickly took to the local game of Shinny that was played on the frozen river.  The object of the game was for one player to grab the puck and try and keep it on his stick as long as he could, while all of the other players tried to steal it from him.  The game was considered a great way to develop stick-handling.  Young Bobby Orr was the 'King of Shinny'. Bobby recalls playing Shinny, "Most of the time we would be on the ice from early morning until darkness.  Sometimes there would be 30 of us, chasing after the same puck."

    Organized hockey started for Bobby at the age of five.  He quickly jumped up through the levels while winning unparalleled praise and recognition before reaching the age of twelve.  Royce Tennant, Bobby's first coach, had this to say, "He was good with people.  A leader in a quiet sort of way."  Bobby was a big fan of Montreal Canadien defenseman Terry Harper while growing up.  He liked to watch a defenseman who was an offensive threat.  I guess he learned well.

    Bobby was a hard worker in school, as well as on the ice.  In the summers he loved to swim, hunt, and fish with his father and brothers.  Their favorite fishing spot was a place called Moon River. 
    Doug Orr remembers Bobby as a very good, young fisherman, "He was always a good fisherman. He could catch them in a bathtub".

    Bucko McDonald, an all-star NHL defenseman in the 1940s, coached Orr in Pee Wee and Bantam Hockey.  Bucko was the one who had Bobby play defense.
    When Doug questioned Bucko about the move, Bucko responded, "Bobby was born to play defense".

    In 1960, in a town called Ganonoque on the Saint Lawrence Seaway, the legend of Bobby Orr began to blossom.  The Parry Sound Bantam All-Stars were playing in a tournament and all six NHL teams had sent scouts to the game to look at two young promising players for Ganonoque named Eaton and Higgins. 

    Within minutes of the puck being dropped the scouts for the Boston Bruins had forgotten about Higgins and Eaton and had their eyes focused on the skinny little kid from Parry Sound.  Young Mr. Orr had played 58 out of 60 minutes in the game (the other two minutes he was in the penalty box).  The Boston Management (Milt Schmidt, Wren Blair, Lynn Patrick, and Weston Adams) were seated in stunned silence. Milt Schmidt finally turned to Lynn Patrick and said, "There's a kid on that Parry Sound team and either my eyes are going bad or something, but he looks like something out of the norm".
    Patrick turned and replied, "You mean that little #2?  Isn't he something?" The race to sign the "wonder boy" had begun.

    Wren Blair, Oshawa Coach and future mentor to Orr, spent many days in Parry Sound building up a rapport with the Orr family.  Blair knew that Arva didn't want her son to leave home at such a young age, so he offered to let Bobby stay at home and commute 150 miles three times a week to the games.
    At the age of thirteen, Doug and Arva permitted Bobby to sign a Junior A contract card with Boston, to play for the Oshawa Generals.  Bobby was still attending elementary school.

    The early days in Oshawa were tough ones for the Parry Sound youngster. Many of the older players initially resented the 14-year-old star.  Bobby found a friend (and second father figure) in the club's trainer, Stan Waylett.  A large man, Waylett would be rough and tough on the exterior with the boys, but beneath the surface he was a warm and caring man.

    Bobby Orr is recognized today as the most dominating Junior hockey player in history.  At 14 years old, he played hockey against 19 and 20 year old players, and he was a star.  Orr had four all-star seasons in Oshawa, but never won the Memorial Cup.

    In 1966, Orr played his most memorable Junior game against the touring Russian National Team at Maple Leaf Gardens.  Although the Russians won, 4-2, the best player on the ice was Bobby Orr. 
    He continuously intercepted the precision Russian attack and accelerated with dazzling rushes up ice.

    Bobby was the first NHL player to hire a lawyer to negotiate a contract. The contract was signed aboard the 42-foot cabin cruiser, Barbara Lynn, which was owned by Boston GM Hap Emms.  Orr got $50,000 for two years and a $25,000 signing bonus.  By today's standards this does not seem significant, but at the time, that deal changed the NHL pay structure forever.

    Bobby was a little anxious entering his first NHL camp in London, Ontario. His mega-contract and the hype that proceeded his arrival had him worrying about the reaction of the veteran Boston players. 
    During one of the first practice sessions in London, Boston's veteran defensive leader, Ted Green, skated over to the young Orr and said, "Kid, I don't know what you're getting, but it isn't enough."

    Young Mr. Orr experienced all the usual rookie initiations, including"The Shave"; a head to toe shaving by the team whiling being held down.
    Orr did not complain about his teammates rough horse play, and because of this attitude his teammates accepted him that much quicker.

    Orr's first NHL game was against the Detroit Red Wings.  He was so excited to be playing against "Mr. Howe", that he arrived at the Garden at 1:00 pm for a 7:30 pm game.  Early in the game, young Bobby put some lumber to the back of Gordie's neck.  Later in the game, Detroit's #9 caught Orr with his head down and smashed him to the ice.  Bobby remembers it like this, "He hit me a good one, I saw birds for awhile".  Gordie's account of the check,"All of the Boston players were skating over and the young kid got up and told them: 'take it easy gentlemen, I deserved that!'".

    The talent and grace of this young phenom was apparent from the first moment he stepped on the garden ice.  The rest of the league quickly tested his toughness and found out that it was on par with his skills. 
    Early in his rookie season, Orr fought Montreal's tough veteran Ted Harris.  Harris hit the ice twice from punches landed by number 4.

    His first goal came against the arch-rival Montreal club at the Boston Garden.  The Canadians goalie, Gump Worsley, had made three saves in a row during a mad scramble in front of the Montreal net. 
    The puck bounced back to the point after the third save.  Bobby wasted no time and drilled a bullet past Worsely and the roar of the Garden faithful has deafening. Montreal coach Toe Blake said, "I've never heard anything like it!"

    Bobby's true greatness was elevated beyond any place that ice skates could have taken him, to a place where honest humanity and compassion carried him.
    Young Mr. Orr took the time to answer his fan mail and make the person on the street feel they were part of his team.  He is so much more than just the greatest hockey player ever; he is a great human being. Orr's trademark humility may have come from his hometown's attitude.  He always kept his head down after scoring a goal, not wanting to further shame a fellow professional.

    Following a 1968 game at the Boston Garden, a fan's car was stuck in a snowdrift in the rear parking lot.  A young man stopped by, while the snow continued to fall, and said, "you steer, I'll push."  After twenty minutes of pushing back and forth, the car was freed.  The fan got out to thank the soaked young man and discovered that his helper was Bobby Orr.

    Bobby was assigned #27 when he first signed with Boston, but he quickly switched to the legendary #4.  Bobby won the Calder Trophy (top rookie) in 1966-67 and beginning in 1967-68 won the James Norris Trophy, as the NHL's top defenseman, for the next eight years in a row. Bobby became a perennial fixture on the NHL All-Star Team.  I will not list the rest of his numerous awards and staggering statistics in this section; to view them go to the Statistics section of this website.

    To understand Orr you have to realize that he honestly is a shy guy who was never interested in individual awards.  The most meaningful awards to Bobby are the 2 Stanley Cups that his teams won.

    The Bruins team began to come together with some young players like Calder Trophy winner Derek “Turk” Sanderson in 1967-68. Then the big trade with Chicago to get Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge, and Fred Stanfield really put the wheels in motion for building a dynasty in Boston.

    The main cog in the Big Bad Bruin wheel was clearly the young Bobby Orr. Coach Harry Sinden knew that he had something very special, and Harry used his superstar's incredible stamina to the Bruins advantage. 
    In his third season, he was on the ice an average of 37 minutes a game.  Much of that time he was carrying the puck.  That is nearly two complete periods that Orr was quarterbacking the team, each and every night.  Sports Illustrated named him "Sportsman of the Year" in 1970.

    When Bobby arrived in Boston, the leader in the locker room was Ted Green. In a game versus St. Louis, early in Orr's career, the infamous pole-axing of Ted Green took place.  A rookie forward named Wayne Ma ki took his stick to Green's head.  As Green lay motionless on the ice, Bobby Orr flew over the boards and pummeled Ma ki to the ice.  Orr then turned to his teammate, where he quickly realized that something was seriously wrong.  Green's life was in danger after being diagnosed with a fractured skull, a blood clot, and partial paralysis.  Green recovered and returned to the Bruins, but was never the same player.  The Bruins needed a new leader and they soon realized it would be #4.

    Looking solely at the numbers that Bobby put up, one would be led into believing that his defense suffered.  That couldn't be further from the truth.  Orr's unparalleled speed allowed him to get back into position, on the rare occasion when he would lose the puck in the offensive zone.  The Bruins allowed twice as many goals with Orr on the bench.

    Bobby played the game with reckless abandon.  During the 1970s many fans questioned why such a superstar would sacrifice his body, by diving head first to block a shot.  What they didn't understand was that if Bobby Orr had pulled up, even a little, he wouldn't have been Bobby Orr.  The single most important thing that separates Orr from history's other greats was that he possessed toughness in addition to grace, skill, and speed.
    Bobby Orr went on to lead the Boston Bruins to their first Stanley Cup in 29 years.  The famous picture of him soaring through the air is considered by most people to be the single most defining image in NHL history. 
    "The Goal" occurred in overtime of the fourth game of the Stanley Cup Finals on May 10, 1970.  Orr was reefed the puck on a give-and-go with Derek Sanderson.  Blues' defender Noel Picard tripped Orr in frustration, after the puck had slid under Goalie Glenn Hall.  The Boston Garden went berserk!  The savior of the Boston Bruins had finally arrived.

    Orr and the Bruins were upset by a star rookie goaltender named Ken Dryden and a hungry Montreal team, in the 1970-71 season.  A season that Bobby considers to be the best Bruins team ever. 
    "In my opinion we beat them in every phase of the game, except that Dryden stood on his head and we couldn't get the puck past him", Orr said.

    The 1971-72 hockey season began and #4 was more focused and determined than ever to win back what he believed belonged to the Bruins.  After a great six game series with the N.Y. Rangers, in the finals, the cup once again belonged to Boston.  Orr won the Conn Smythe Trophy (playoff MVP) for the second time and remarkably, for a defenseman, had scored his second Stanley Cup clinching goal.

    Brad Park, a very good defenseman for the New York Rangers, had to live in the shadow of Bobby during the early 1970s.  He was forever being compared to #4, an "honor" that was not quite fair to Brad or any other player. Luckily for Bruin fans, Orr and Park did get to play on the same team for a short while.  Probably the best blue line duo, for any given moment, in hockey history.

    Think about this fact for a moment: Bobby Orr twice won the NHL scoring crown (1970 and 1975).  That feat may be the most incredible accomplishment in sports history. 
    A defenseman winning two scoring titles seems much more mind-boggling to me, than someone hitting in 56 straight baseball games or even a basketball player scoring 100 points in a game.

    During a six year run from 1969 to 1975, Bobby Orr scored 734 points as a defenseman.  An average of 122 points per season. 
    Considering that he had a number of knee surgeries during this time, those numbers are beyond remarkable.  Bobby Orr had changed hockey forever!

    The other NHL teams realized that the only way to stop Orr was to try and punish his weak knee.  Many teams began running people at him and these hits started to take their toll.

    In 1976 Bobby got to fulfill a lifelong dream by playing for his country in the Canada Cup series against the Soviets.  Bobby won the "Outstanding Player" award as Team Canada defeated the Soviets.  Despite not being able to practice and having to wear six and seven ice packs after each game, Orr drew upon his immense courage and played through extreme pain to lead his country to victory.

    Boston management offered Bobby part ownership of the team in 1976.  Orr's agent (whose name will not appear on any tribute I'm writing) did not inform him of the offer, so in 1976 Orr signed with Chicago for 3 million dollars over 5 years.  Bobby played only 26 games for the Blackhawks.
    Another display of his character was the fact that Orr returned the few paychecks he received from Chicago, saying that he hadn't earned them.

    Orr has said that he needed to go to Chicago to prove to himself that he could still play.  After two injury filled years he knew

    that his knees could no longer take it.  At a tearful news conference on November 8th, 1978, the greatest hockey player of all-time hung up his skates.  Recently Bobby talked about his retirement, "It was frightening to be 30 years old and not know what I was going to do next."

    On January 9, 1979 the Boston Bruins held "Bobby Orr Night".  When Bobby was finally introduced, the Boston Garden crowd stood and cheered for eleven solid minutes and would not let Mr. Orr speak.  Finally the noise subsided and the #4 was lifted to the rafters while Bobby and his family looked on.

    In 1979 the Hockey Hall of Fame elected Robert Gordon Orr to be enshrined into it's hallowed halls.  Bobby was, and still is, the youngest player ever to be elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame.  He was 31 years old!

    In a Boston newspaper poll in 1989, the readers of New England were asked what athlete best represents Boston Sports.  Ted Williams didn't win.
    Larry Bird didn't win.  The Winner was old #4, Bobby Orr. Even the great players of today, like Ray Bourque, have tremendous respect for #4 and his legacy.

    Legendary basketball star Larry Bird was seen during every home game standing isolated and staring up while the national anthem played.  When asked what this ritual was all about, Bird said, "I look at Bobby Orr's banner for inspiration."

    Arva and Doug Orr's son, Robert, is a person who enjoys life now, as he has throughout his remarkable life.  His generosity, humble demeanor, and love of life have over spilled onto his family, friends, and fans.

    Bobby spends much of his post-playing days with his loving family: Wife Peggy and sons Darren and Brent.  His love of hockey has kept him involved in sports; he now works as a sports agent.  In his free time, Bobby plays a lot of golf near his home on Cape Cod.  He still spends a lot of time on charity work throughout New England.

    He continually declines to take advantage of his name.  He is offered thousands of dollars to appear at memorabilia shows, but always respectfully rejects such proposals.  "I just don't feel comfortable doing that.  I'm not criticizing others for doing it, but it just isn't right for me.", Orr says.

    Bobby Orr is as great a human being as he was a hockey player, and folks... it just doesn't get any better than that!

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    In response to BassFishingII's comment:

    Never paid for one ticket in my life. I probably had some hotdogs and cokes from time to time, sure.

    Face it, they went one and done 5 times in 6 years from 1981-1987.

    Pete Peeters win a Vezina? Get him out of town! We don't need players like that!  Bring in the kid from BU and we'll go all the way and fill those seats!  - Jeremy Jacobs

    Peeters won the Vezina in 1983.  He was traded in 1985 after two mediocre/subpar years.  Your blatant lies might impress people at the bars, but here we just see right through them.

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    Oh my God.  Now your stance is that they should have traded him in 1975?  You know he won the Norris AND the Art Ross that year, right?

    LOL.  Who am I kidding?  Of course you didn't know that.  You don't know anything.

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    Never paid for one ticket in my life. I probably had some hotdogs and cokes from time to time, sure.


    You went to all of those games and never paid for a ticket, yet when Red talks about Orr and the contracts, you say:

    "And who are you to be defending Jacobs when you don't even attend Bruins games, paying the bills there anyway? I don't think that's your position to speak.

    The fans who put the money into Jacobs's pockets are the ones who can speak on it."

    You're a mooch, a liar and a cartoon.  Get lost.

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    Can you even name a key player they traded for who was productive and very good elsewhere in mid 1980s (an I am not talking about Neely either) other than acquiring Charlie Simmer?

    Reed Larson


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    All Jacobs cared about was setting a budget and maximizinng profits. As long as he got that, nothing else mattered. Period.

    He's a businessman.  His business makes money.  That's sort of how it works.

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    God bless Bob Kraft for lighting a fire under this town's asz when he bought the Pats. THAT, right there, is how you put your money where your mouth, make money, invest in your product and reap the rewards.  I am not convinced if Kraft doesn't raise the bar in this town, that Jacobs doesn't feel the pressure to compete.

    All Jacobs cared about was using a slam dunk moneymaker to add his Delware North portfolio. There is no need in you spinning this, it's what he did. No matter how many times he goes on WEEI to try to explain his side of things every June when he coasts in from crappy Buffalo, it won't change the facts.

    Sinden was nothing but a pawn and a guy who wanted to collect a check and keep his job into his 60s.

    Bob Kraft?  The same Bob Kraft who held the town and the state hostage and almost moved to Connecticut?  The same Bob Kraft who charges $70 for parking?

    Yeah, he's a dreamboat.

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    The food I bought in there or the concerts I went too, etc, was more than what she did, not to mention the amounts of Bruins shirts, jerseys, hats, etc, I bought.

    Oh, okay.  So, you did line Jacobs' pockets with the rest of us.


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