Is Arnott the culprit? or Marchand

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    Most of what I have read suggest the bruins and marchand really are not far apart on $$, but on term.. That would worry me, and I am sure what bothers the bruins.. Marchand had as good ofa  rookie year as he possibly could have, and had a great play off run with the stanley cup champions.. For all of his supporters who argue the sky is the limit with this kid, he should be looking for a short term deal, allowing him to make more money when this deal ends..

    He is looking for length, which tells me he is looking to capitalize on one strong campaign, not looking at coming back, performing better, and increasing his value.
     
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    OK, I know I got fried the last time I posted Marchand news off Rotoworld, but:


    "Brad Marchand's agent, Wade Arnott, said that "nothing is imminent" regarding contract negotiations with the Boston Bruins.

    He said that discussions remain open and ongoing, but when was asked if Marchand will be signed before training camp he replied, "[I'm] hopeful, but it's no sure thing." There appears to be a gap on what his value is after he enjoyed a breakout campaign in 2010-11 in his first full season in the NHL. It is being speculated that the Bruins want to give him a two-year deal at $2.5 million per season, but Marchand's camp is seeking a four-year deal in the $12 million range. We'll keep you posted. "


    Full link is here, I couldnt post the entire article:

    http://www.csnne.com/08/25/11/Agent-Marchand-deal-no-sure-thing-before/landing_bruins.html?blockID=554158&feedID=3352&awid=8165058012562799335-932
     
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    I'm definitely going to take the Marchand side here.  This player forced himself off the 4th line, scored 20 goals as a rookie and was not just instrumental in the team winning a Cup, I'll say that so many things had to go SO perfectly for them in that playoff run that I believe they don't win a Cup without him.

    The B's have had to make contract decisions before.  Lucic got paid pretty quick, and there were moments we thought maybe too soon.  They chose to pay Krecji and not Kessel. They paid TT a bunch of money that looked like a mistake the following year; not so much last year.

    So do I care if PC overpays Marchand for an extension? No, frankly I don't.  If they cheap him out of town, it DOES make the team look like they are taking a step back to the "Old" Jacobs' days, and it makes the team look like they have the attitude that, "they won a Cup, it doesn't matter now."

    BS.  Sign him.  If its a bit much for a year too long, its not Cap-busting.  We aren't talking about Pronger money here.

    PS, a professional athlete looking for some term length is not necessarily the sign of someone "not looking to get better," thats ridiculous.  Every athlete knows his career could end on the next shift.  He wants some security at an earlier age and I never blame any athlete in any sport for that concern.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Arnott the culprit? or Marchand:
    [QUOTE]I'm definitely going to take the Marchand side here.  This player forced himself off the 4th line, scored 20 goals as a rookie and was not just instrumental in the team winning a Cup, I'll say that so many things had to go SO perfectly for them in that playoff run that I believe they don't win a Cup without him. The B's have had to make contract decisions before.  Lucic got paid pretty quick, and there were moments we thought maybe too soon.  They chose to pay Krecji and not Kessel. They paid TT a bunch of money that looked like a mistake the following year; not so much last year. So do I care if PC overpays Marchand for an extension? No, frankly I don't.  If they cheap him out of town, it DOES make the team look like they are taking a step back to the "Old" Jacobs' days, and it makes the team look like they have the attitude that, "they won a Cup, it doesn't matter now." BS.  Sign him.  If its a bit much for a year too long, its not Cap-busting.  We aren't talking about Pronger money here. PS, a professional athlete looking for some term length is not necessarily the sign of someone "not looking to get better," thats ridiculous.  Every athlete knows his career could end on the next shift.  He wants some security at an earlier age and I never blame any athlete in any sport for that concern.
    Posted by SoxFanInIL[/QUOTE]


    Lucic is again, and awful comparision, he is younger then marchand and gave them 3 full years of his entry level contract, is a more unique player.

    And I am not saying marchand is not looking to get better, as much as he is probably realistic to the point that this is the best season he could have hoped for, and he is fully looking to cash in on it.. Not looking at it from the stand point that he can go out, improve on his numbers and actually earn more..

     
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    In Response to Re: Is Arnott the culprit? or Marchand:
    [QUOTE]He is looking for length, which tells me he is looking to capitalize on one strong campaign, not looking at coming back, performing better, and increasing his value.
    Posted by rolerhoky19[/QUOTE]

    I think it's simply a question of coming back to the table as a UFA or an RFA.  Odds are the Bruins would be happiest with a two year deal that brings him back as an RFA; Arnott probably wants either three years or the Bruins to pay a premium for the right to maintain control of his client after this contract.  The Bruins might be willing to consider 4 or 5 years if they think they're getting a bargain on those first two years of potential UFA riches.  I doubt it's Marchand looking for 10 years $40Mil.

    [Edit to respond to SoxFan's post]

    The numbers from Rotoworld make sense - and show Arnott's savvy.  Four years and I think the Bruins are getting one year of Marchand's UFA eligibility.  If you crunch $3M/4yrs as a variable pay contract, and treat this as two RFA years at a number around what they gave Wheeler ($2.5), then a second two year deal where you buy a year of his UFA, that would put Marchand's third deal at a fairly reasonable $3.5M.  If Marchand is a second or even third line player scoring 35-45 points over that stretch (plus PK, plus maintaining some semblance of discipline) then that's a decent deal for the team.

    But...if you have any doubts that the guy can keep his composure for 82/16, or that he can stay healthy playing like a turkey against strong, angry, non-Sedins, then you see this as the risk of having a Glen Murray buyout albatross around your neck going into a new, likely more austere CBA.

    Assuming the Rotoworld story is accurate, I'm going to guess they settle on something like $2.75M/4yrs ($11M overall).
     
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    I really hope this is settled before the start of camp.  I really hope.  I don't want the Lucic-Marchand contract comparisons to invade that dressing room.
     
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    I started this post, and appreciate all the diverse comments. As one of your more elderly participants, the comments indicate , at least to me, that Arnott has pushed the envelope and PC is not biting. Good for PC. I truly enjoy Marchand's enthusiasm and his game. He controls the puck as well as most top players, even if he still has to prove himself. A Couture type of deal, or the $11 mil 4 years suggested by BB should be the result, but, to me, Arnott is more greedy than good
     
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    bogie - if those Rotoworld numbers are close, and if that's really the main reason he's not already spending his signing bonus on beer and nose jobs, I don't think Arnott's being the NHL's Drew Rosenhaus or Scott Boras.  I don't know what the Bruins have offered, but I can almost guarantee that $3M isn't higher by a factor of 3 or 4.  Even if the Bruins only offered $2M, that's not an unbridgable difference (it would settle on the $2.5M that even the most cautious among us would see as reasonable for the team).  In fact, it's a crazy good deal if the pro-Marchand camp is anything like right - the Bruins could get a guy who might command $4M+ by the third and fourth years at a 25% discount.

    It's a relatively clever ploy to offer up a year of UFA as justification for pushing the base number up $500K per year - cash in hand for Marchand and a guarnateed $12M as opposed to a guaranteed $7M or $8M/2yrs being greedy on a year by year basis.

     
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    Marchand and Brady.

    This is how crazy the Lore of the BM has become.
     
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    For everything that Brad has accomplished on the ice in his first full NHL season he deserves the praise of some fans and attention of the media. I can think of worse things rookies have done after they had accomplished so much, so soon after one season.

    Take camera phones, twitter, blogs and a gazzilion sports cable media outlets out of the picture then Bruins fans wouldn't know about all the shenanigans (WoW he got drunk with his shirt off at a Casino Bar! woopdeedo) that might change their opinion of Marchand. Brad is doing what any other young athlete would be doing after a damn good first season (accompanied by a Stanley Cup) minus the DUIs, drunkin Hotel arrests, beatings of girlfriends etc.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Is Arnott the culprit? or Marchand : I think it's simply a question of coming back to the table as a UFA or an RFA.  Odds are the Bruins would be happiest with a two year deal that brings him back as an RFA; Arnott probably wants either three years or the Bruins to pay a premium for the right to maintain control of his client after this contract.  The Bruins might be willing to consider 4 or 5 years if they think they're getting a bargain on those first two years of potential UFA riches.  I doubt it's Marchand looking for 10 years $40Mil. [Edit to respond to SoxFan's post] The numbers from Rotoworld make sense - and show Arnott's savvy.  Four years and I think the Bruins are getting one year of Marchand's UFA eligibility.  If you crunch $3M/4yrs as a variable pay contract, and treat this as two RFA years at a number around what they gave Wheeler ($2.5), then a second two year deal where you buy a year of his UFA, that would put Marchand's third deal at a fairly reasonable $3.5M.  If Marchand is a second or even third line player scoring 35-45 points over that stretch (plus PK, plus maintaining some semblance of discipline) then that's a decent deal for the team. But...if you have any doubts that the guy can keep his composure for 82/16, or that he can stay healthy playing like a turkey against strong, angry, non-Sedins, then you see this as the risk of having a Glen Murray buyout albatross around your neck going into a new, likely more austere CBA. Assuming the Rotoworld story is accurate, I'm going to guess they settle on something like $2.75M/4yrs ($11M overall).
    Posted by Bookboy007[/QUOTE]

    BB, I am responding on the basis of the recent rumors of the bruins looking for a 2 year deal, and marchand a 4.. To me that says marchand is looking for some security, and not thinking that he can take short money and really pound it on that next contract is all.
     
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    I can see that.  I can also see Arnott saying to Marchand - what do you think your ceiling is?  And Marchand's thinking the top line guys in Julien's system are mid-60s, so...60?  And Arnott looks around the league and thinks "we might get a total of $14M over four years if we take 2 years for $2.5M per now, BM plays up to his ceiling, and we sign the next deal for $4.5/2yrs.  Or we could get him $12M guaranteed now, while his popularity and bargaining power are almost as high as they'll ever be.

    I see your point - you want a guy who has no fear of proving his value will go up every year - but when the value proposition doesn't support the risk?  I can't blame the business guy for telling the player so.
     
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    [QUOTE]I can see that.  I can also see Arnott saying to Marchand - what do you think your ceiling is?  And Marchand's thinking the top line guys in Julien's system are mid-60s, so...60?  And Arnott looks around the league and thinks "we might get a total of $14M over four years if we take 2 years for $2.5M per now, BM plays up to his ceiling, and we sign the next deal for $4.5/2yrs.  Or we could get him $12M guaranteed now, while his popularity and bargaining power are almost as high as they'll ever be. I see your point - you want a guy who has no fear of proving his value will go up every year - but when the value proposition doesn't support the risk?  I can't blame the business guy for telling the player so.
    Posted by Bookboy007[/QUOTE]

    I just think there have been more instances of getting paid for a good season, then sustaining.. I am betting the bruins are looking at marchand, and looking at the first years they got out of wheeler and know March may improve, he may not, he could post 18g 17a, and do they want to pay him for 4 years for that production.. Sample size is too small..
     
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    Sandog, you are right on. The unproffessional media, twitter, facebook etc. are easily distorting any activity of a Professional athlete, or for that matter any 19, 20, 21, thru 27 young person who exceeds usual behavior. We have yet to see Marchand beat up a cab driver, ala Kane, so Marshy may be exuberant and still immature in some respects, but his agent should be more of a pacifier/counselor than a "go for the top" instigator.Very few are as mature as Bergeron, just look at the Flyers former all stars/leaders/captain. and the latest comment that the Coach wanted change.
     
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    " just look at the Flyers former all stars/leaders/captain. and the latest comment that the Coach wanted change."

    Holmgren certainly listened, PC was right when Paul makes changes he blows things up...
     
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    [QUOTE]For everything that Brad has accomplished on the ice in his first full NHL season he deserves the praise of some fans and attention of the media. I can think of worse things rookies have done after they had accomplished so much, so soon after one season. Take camera phones, twitter, blogs and a gazzilion sports cable media outlets out of the picture then Bruins fans wouldn't know about all the shenanigans (WoW he got drunk with his shirt off at a Casino Bar! woopdeedo) that might change their opinion of Marchand. Brad is doing what any other young athlete would be doing after a damn good first season (accompanied by a Stanley Cup) minus the DUIs, drunkin Hotel arrests, beatings of girlfriends etc.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]
    I wonder what Derek Sanderson would be thought of by some people on this board if he had played for the B's during this day and age. What he got away with pales in comparison to what Brad has done.
     
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    I think it's time for Brad's agent to tell Brad to sign on the bottom line.

    Put up or shut up.
    This prik of an agent reminds me of that baseball agent dude the RS hate to deal with.

    One year does not make a career.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Arnott the culprit? or Marchand:
    [QUOTE]I think it's time for Brad's agent to tell Brad to sign on the bottom line. Put up or shut up. This prik of an agent reminds me of that baseball agent dude the RS hate to deal with. One year does not make a career.
    Posted by bruinsGENIUS[/QUOTE]

    Everybody hates to deal with Boras...
     

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