Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 8:20 AM EST
I'm not giving rask 4-5 million per. I don't like throwing that kinda money on a tender. Seidz is very important. AF can be replaced With cheaper option. Horton can be replaced as well. I'm not giving him a long term deal with his health.
New cap era. It's gonna make a big difference. That's why a guy like ST should be replaced with a Lane.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 8:28 AM EST
In response to Crowls2424's comment:
http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/
$6.3M for 2 goalies, 2 defenseman and the best-money-goal-scorer on the team. Me thinks UFA Khudobin gets poached, he's too good to take a paycut with lost of teams that need goaltending- Florida or Ottawa. PC is a big fan of Ference's so I think he stays as I don't see Trotman nor Krug ready for primetime.
Its' going to be tuff but the Bruins still have Savard's $4M as he is not going to retire, his salary drops to $5M in 2014-15. Peverley might still be a casualty...
Agree with that, and would also add Kelly & Boychuk to the potential casualty list. Those $3-3.5M dollar deals for 3rd-liners will be tough to justify with the new/lower cap.
If PC brings in a 3rd line winger that is not an expiring contract then that's "mo money, mo problems" for this October. And oh yah Horton has to be kept no matter what. What does Nathan's agent think he can fetch ?
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 8:31 AM EST
In response to SanDogBrewin's comment:
In response to Crowls2424's comment:
In response to SanDogBrewin's comment:
http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/
$6.3M for 2 goalies, 2 defenseman and the best-money-goal-scorer on the team. Me thinks UFA Khudobin gets poached, he's too good to take a paycut with lost of teams that need goaltending- Florida or Ottawa. PC is a big fan of Ference's so I think he stays as I don't see Trotman nor Krug ready for primetime.
Its' going to be tuff but the Bruins still have Savard's $4M as he is not going to retire, his salary drops to $5M in 2014-15. Peverley might still be a casualty...
Agree with that, and would also add Kelly & Boychuk to the potential casualty list. Those $3-3.5M dollar deals for 3rd-liners will be tough to justify with the new/lower cap.
If I have to choose or i'm going to think like Julien, I want to keep the better defensive center and that is Kelly. Then to replace Peverley I look at Spooner, KoKo or Sauve (probably not in PCs plans anymore). As of today I don't think Bourque has "IT".
If PC brings in a 3rd line winger that is not an expiring contract then that's "mo money, mo problems" for this October. And oh yah Horton has to be kept no matter what. What does Nathan's agent think he can fetch ?
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 8:51 AM EST
You guys are all talking as if Horton has more money coming his way, but I don't see that happening. Anyone hitting the open market is going to get a big ol bucket of cold water in the face. Teams need to shed contracts and players, and everyone will be looking for value over strict talent. The Bs could basically re-sign Horton at his current amount or even a bit less and it's just about the best he's going to get offered from anyone, especially given his health.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 9:18 AM EST
In response to asmaha's comment:
You guys are all talking as if Horton has more money coming his way, but I don't see that happening. Anyone hitting the open market is going to get a big ol bucket of cold water in the face. Teams need to shed contracts and players, and everyone will be looking for value over strict talent. The Bs could basically re-sign Horton at his current amount or even a bit less and it's just about the best he's going to get offered from anyone, especially given his health.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 9:19 AM EST
I am not sure about re-signing Horton. There are a couple of power forwards that I might want instead that are impending free agents in Ryan Clowe and David Clarkson.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 9:23 AM EST
I don't think Horton is going to expect another 4 & 4 deal. 2.5 at 3 yrs is the max I'd give him with his concussion issue's. I think the B's need to keep the guy who's scored 3 game winners in his one & only Stanley Cup play-off.2 of them in O.T & the other may as well of been. The record for most game winners in one play-off is 6. I hated Claude Lemieux, but he was a play-off beast!
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 9:40 AM EST
In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:
In response to asmaha's comment:
You guys are all talking as if Horton has more money coming his way, but I don't see that happening. Anyone hitting the open market is going to get a big ol bucket of cold water in the face. Teams need to shed contracts and players, and everyone will be looking for value over strict talent. The Bs could basically re-sign Horton at his current amount or even a bit less and it's just about the best he's going to get offered from anyone, especially given his health.
There are plenty of teams with a lot of cap space that could use a player like Horton.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 9:42 AM EST
If PC finds himself in a pinch, the most realistic option would be letting Ference walk I think...
Ference is a phenomenal guy in the locker room and in the community, but is limited offensively and undersized defensively...
I think he would be the easiest to replace should PC not be able to re-sign everyone...
Also, when caps go down, salaries go down or get scaled back...
just because a team has cap space doesn't mean they will give a guy like Horton 5-6 mil...
That's just stupid...
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 9:49 AM EST
Starting off with a big caveat of: Im not exactly sure how it works. What also has to be included in either this year's cap or next year's cap is bonus money for players still on their rookie contract. Eg. Seguin, Spooner, Hamilton
If Im' understanding the process clearly, Im thinking that there will have to be a decision of how to use this year's "Thomas Money", to pay the rookie bonuses this year and forgo an "Iginla" type signing for the playoffs or go for broke this year and toll the bonus to next year.
Either way.. thanks for the memories and Cup Timmy and LET'S GO BRUINS!!!
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 11:08 AM EST
In response to NeelyOrrBourque's comment:
I don't think Horton is going to expect another 4 & 4 deal. 2.5 at 3 yrs is the max I'd give him with his concussion issue's. I think the B's need to keep the guy who's scored 3 game winners in his one & only Stanley Cup play-off.2 of them in O.T & the other may as well of been. The record for most game winners in one play-off is 6. I hated Claude Lemieux, but he was a play-off beast!
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 11:21 AM EST
There is around 11 mil in caproom plenty money too sign them.
rask 4.5mil
horton 4mil
backup g-1mil
Thats 9.5mil folks ference is the odd man out if he wont take a discount to stay in town we have guys like krug that could be cheaper alternatives. But like i said before there is going to be alot of teams that will struggle to make the cap max, dont understand why the owners did it too themselves. Flyers, canucks, blackhawks, sharks, rangers, penguins. And thats just a quick list the new cap max will break some teams back.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 12:27 PM EST
In response to heyoo's comment:
There is around 11 mil in caproom plenty money too sign them.
rask 4.5mil
horton 4mil
backup g-1mil
Thats 9.5mil folks ference is the odd man out if he wont take a discount to stay in town we have guys like krug that could be cheaper alternatives. But like i said before there is going to be alot of teams that will struggle to make the cap max, dont understand why the owners did it too themselves. Flyers, canucks, blackhawks, sharks, rangers, penguins. And thats just a quick list the new cap max will break some teams back.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 12:32 PM EST
In response to asmaha's comment:
In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:
In response to asmaha's comment:
You guys are all talking as if Horton has more money coming his way, but I don't see that happening. Anyone hitting the open market is going to get a big ol bucket of cold water in the face. Teams need to shed contracts and players, and everyone will be looking for value over strict talent. The Bs could basically re-sign Horton at his current amount or even a bit less and it's just about the best he's going to get offered from anyone, especially given his health.
There are plenty of teams with a lot of cap space that could use a player like Horton.
Even for next year?
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 12:40 PM EST
In response to shuperman's comment:
Yes. Teams will be trying to hit cap floor. Similar to Florida last year.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 12:42 PM EST
In response to jmwalters' comment:
In response to shuperman's comment:
Yes. Teams will be trying to hit cap floor. Similar to Florida last year.
Of course, Horton may want to stay on a perpetual contender.....
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 12:44 PM EST
Sorry for sarcasm. Wasn't meant at you. Just that greed rules.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 12:57 PM EST
In response to shuperman's comment:
Sorry for sarcasm. Wasn't meant at you. Just that greed rules.
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 1:04 PM EST
In response to asmaha's comment:
In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:
In response to asmaha's comment:
You guys are all talking as if Horton has more money coming his way, but I don't see that happening. Anyone hitting the open market is going to get a big ol bucket of cold water in the face. Teams need to shed contracts and players, and everyone will be looking for value over strict talent. The Bs could basically re-sign Horton at his current amount or even a bit less and it's just about the best he's going to get offered from anyone, especially given his health.
There are plenty of teams with a lot of cap space that could use a player like Horton.
Even for next year?
Re: Is there any way the Bruins can keep Horton?
posted at 2/8/2013 1:29 PM EST
Ya it all comes down to whether Horton wants to stay or not. I just think it is crazy some of the salaries we gave out recently knowing that the cap being lower was a good possibility. Pevs 3.25, Kelly 3, Marchand 4.5, even seguin and Lucius new contracts then boychuk. We overpaid at least four players and now this season and next it is going to be tough not to let a couple guys go.
