Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt?

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    Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt?

    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21222481/jacobs-i-bet-well-get-something-thomas

    In a recent interview, Charlie Jacobs claimed he was as surprised as anyone by TT's decisions but that he's also confident TT's contract will hold some value as long as the cap floor remains in place. Thoughts?
     
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    Wait a second.  Who really has who by the short and curlies?

    He owes the Bruins a year.

    Playing GM I'm thinking why should I trade him for nothing to some team who wants to hit the cap floor and give me practically nothing in return?

    He doesn't play this year, you don't pay him and yes, you take the cap hit.

    OK.  So I decide to take the cap hit.  Thomas waits and so do I.

    If he makes the Olympic team and plays lights out - which I don't think will happen, but if he does.  Great.

    Now comes 2013-2014.  He owes a year on his current contract.  Now who wants him?  I would say a whole hell of a lot more teams more than this year.

    So what about that idea?  Don't trade him, just hold onto him.

    But then what's his cap hit if he decides to sit 2013-14?

    I'm guessing it's nothing, right?

    Keep him until 2013-14, I think they could get a lot more for him if they wait until then.
     
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    The Olympics are in 2014.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wait a second.  Who really has who by the short and curlies? He owes the Bruins a year. Playing GM I'm thinking why should I trade him for nothing to some team who wants to hit the cap floor and give me practically nothing in return? He doesn't play this year, you don't pay him and yes, you take the cap hit. OK.  So I decide to take the cap hit.  Thomas waits and so do I. If he makes the Olympic team and plays lights out - which I don't think will happen, but if he does.  Great. Now comes 2013-2014.  He owes a year on his current contract.  Now who wants him?  I would say a whole hell of a lot more teams more than this year. So what about that idea?  Don't trade him, just hold onto him. But then what's his cap hit if he decides to sit 2013-14? I'm guessing it's nothing, right? Keep him until 2013-14, I think they could get a lot more for him if they wait until then.
    Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]

    He's done as a Bruin. He will never wear the the Bruins uniform again. Now if he did come back and played lights out in the Olympic year, which I highly doubt he will, but for sake of argument if he did, I don't see how the U.S Olympic team would allow him to don the red white and blue. I think there would be great fear of what he would say on that stage. Still a aways away,and alot can happen, but I cant see him at that age, with that much time off beating out John Quick for the starting position and Ryan Miller for the back up. Then, the last thing you want is him as the 3rd goalie, not playing but stil having more microphones at his locker becasue of what he might say.

    I can't see it happening.
     
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    Great point, Kel.  I didn't think of that.  There is no way he'll be on the Olympic team.  Better options notwithstanding, over half of America hates him for what he believes in.  Right or wrong (wrong of course), they do.

    The Olympic committee doesn't want that.
     
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    If TT was flat out the best American goalie playing in the NHL when the Olympics rolled around ,he would be on the U.S squad, no matter what his views are or what he says.The fact is there are better goalies & options for the U.S and a 40 year old 3rd string goalie(with opinions) is not needed for them to win the tournament or to have around to cause uneccessary distractions. 
     
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    OK, I think the Olympics are covered. And I did forget it was in 2014 so it's a non issue to my point. 

    But back to my point.  Why not just keep him for the year, take the cap hit and deal him when he has some real value?

    If you look at it or try to look at it in it's most positive light, it might work out better for the Bruins.
    Why?
    1) I think he was on the decline
    2) Yes, he's elite, but he's not a guy who's been elite all his career.  I think being in the game is important to his scrambling style and being out of hockey for a year isn't going to help him.
    3) But not everyone will buy into #2, which is fine because it will preserve whatever value he does have.
    4) If he did play this season, he would just be an UFA at the end of the year and the Bruins would get nothing in return.

    I think it might be the best way to go unless of course someone offers up something really good for him.

    If they don't deal him, it would be interesting to see if he would show up to training camp 2013.

    And more interesting his firt game in an opposing jersery in Boston.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt?:[QUOTE]If TT was flat out the best American goalie playing in the NHL when the Olympics rolled around ,he would be on the U.S squad, no matter what his views are or what he says. The fact is there are better goalies & options for the U.S and a 40 year old 3rd string goalie(with opinions) is not needed for them to win the tournament or to have around to cause uneccessary distractions. Posted by 50belowzero[/QUOTE]

    Correct everyone knew about Thomas's political views in 2010 but it didn't matter. If it weren't for Miller having the incredible run at the time, TT would have been the goaltender that year. In 2006 Thomas might not have been in the US top ten so he wasn't considered.

    If Quick or Howard declared that they helped Thomas dig his doomsday cave or thought that Zion bankers controlled the universe right before the 2014 Olympics. It wouldn't matter both would still be considered starters for the US.
     
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    And again, if they do keep him, what would his cap hit be in 2013-14?
     
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    [QUOTE]And again, if they do keep him, what would his cap hit be in 2013-14?
    Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]

    0, but they'd have to pay him 3 million.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : 0, but they'd have to pay him 3 million.
    Posted by red75[/QUOTE]
    Red, I think his cap hit carries over.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : Red, I think his cap hit carries over.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    I think you are correct, it rolls over.
     
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    it hardly seems fair that to take a 5 mil cap hit for the year he's not going to play AND the year he will play.

    Regardless, 2013-14 rolls around, you have a 40 year old former Vezina winner who will play.  That's a lot more valuable than this year which is a goalie who won't play.

    I think it makes the most sense to keep him until 2013-14.
    Next best is if someone makes a *decent* offer before then.
    Worst I think by far is to pay him this year and just let him walk at the end of the season and I can't think of any reason why they would do that.

    Thomas's NHL fate is in the Bruins hands.  He owes the Bruins a year if he does what he says and doesn't play.

    If he wants to play in the NHL in 2013-14 the Bruins have more time than he does.  Thomas is only getting older.  The Bruins can play the waiting game as long as the franchise is still around or Thomas dies of old age.

     
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    [QUOTE]it hardly seems fair that to take a 5 mil cap hit for the year he's not going to play AND the year he will play. Regardless, 2013-14 rolls around, you have a 40 year old former Vezina winner who will play.  That's a lot more valuable than this year which is a goalie who won't play. I think it makes the most sense to keep him until 2013-14. Next best is if someone makes a *decent* offer before then. Worst I think by far is to pay him this year and just let him walk at the end of the season and I can't think of any reason why they would do that. Thomas's NHL fate is in the Bruins hands.  He owes the Bruins a year if he does what he says and doesn't play. If he wants to play in the NHL in 2013-14 the Bruins have more time than he does.  Thomas is only getting older.  The Bruins can play the waiting game as long as the franchise is still around or Thomas dies of old age.
    Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]

    I think Thomas' value is limited to begin with but decreases even further if he is over a year removed from NHL competition.
    In fact, other than team in need of the contract in order to reach the cap floor, if there is one once there is a new CBA, I see no value other than that.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : I think Thomas' value is limited to begin with but decreases even further if he is over a year removed from NHL competition. In fact, other than team in need of the contract in order to reach the cap floor, if there is one once there is a new CBA, I see no value other than that.
    Posted by kelvana33[/QUOTE]

    I agree and disagree.
    I agree in that I think his best was in 2011 and has been declining since.
    I disagree because not everyone has the same opinion.
    If I'm a team who needs a goalie and if I know the guy will play and Thomas is available I think you pretty much have to take him.  There are a lot of teams who could use a legit #1 goalie like the Flyers or our old friends the Maple Leafs.  There's only upside for someone to take him after his sit out year, you can say outright it's a gamble and a chance we're going to take that he gets back to form.  And he just might be able to put out 2 or 3 decent seasons.  Otherwise if he shiites the bed then you're covered because you just say you lost the gamble.  Somehow it's more acceptable when you're talking about an old player rather than saying you're going to take a chance on Riendeau or Hamill.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : Correct everyone knew about Thomas's political views in 2010 but it didn't matter. If it weren't for Miller having the incredible run at the time, TT would have been the goaltender that year. In 2006 Thomas might not have been in the US top ten so he wasn't considered. If Quick or Howard declared that they helped Thomas dig his doomsday cave or thought that Zion bankers controlled the universe right before the 2014 Olympics. It wouldn't matter both would still be considered starters for the US.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin[/QUOTE]

    His politics and his circus show didn't hit the road until the White House stuff after the Cup win in 2011.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : His politics and his circus show didn't hit the road until the White House stuff after the Cup win in 2011.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]

    what SanDog is saying players knew about his political view before the WHite House fiasco and the cup win.
    Aaron Ward said it on TSN that he and Thomas had many discussions in the dressing room when he was a playing.
     
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    [QUOTE]Timmy is done. He won't be coming back to any team. The next time we see him will be on a future episode of Doomsday Preppers. He's probably already converted all his money into gold.
    Posted by stourque[/QUOTE]
    spoken like a true "no need to plan- everything is just fine" type of guy... WAKE UP....  I think TT is out there.... and I think the Doomsday preppers are a little past their turn-off....  but the tone of your ignorance implies that "everything is alright"... that would mean you are an ignorant fool.
     
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    [QUOTE]Great point, Kel.  I didn't think of that.  There is no way he'll be on the Olympic team.  Better options notwithstanding, over half of America hates him for what he believes in.  Right or wrong (wrong of course), they do. The Olympic committee doesn't want that.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]
    AND this post tells us exactly what is WRONG with America....  You all believe in Freedom of Speech, and demand your rights to freedom from thought police....  but to quote you.... HALF OF AMERICA HATES HIM FOR WHAT HE BELIEVES....

    Although I do not believe as he does... I do lean conservative ( just not that far).... I don't HATE half of America for feeling that they have a right to spend another man's earnings..... I just disagree with their philosophy....  I do not hate them... BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG!

    There is nothing inherently ( or biblically) correct with stealing another man's earnings to support someone who will not support themself.  As a matter of fact it places those people being garnished into a state of indentured servitude.   DO I agree that the rich should be able to DONATE more of what they have?  YES.... DO I believe it is MY right to demand they do so... NOPE!

    Again... the post I am replying to is the problem with America... PEOPLE "HATE" others because they do not toe the socialist line.   I just disagree with many of the thoughts from both sides of the political spectrum- but do not hate others for their views.

    SO I guess I would have to state that since about 30% of us have the balls enough to be independent of the political parties.... NOT half of all Americans hate others for their views. 

    SORRY, but this entire concept is just one of those that gets me on a SOAPBOX...  why in the he11 does anyone pledge their allegiance to either of these two corrupt parties.  The Dems are just as corrupt as the reps..... and here is a clue for you....  they don't give a hoot about the people of America.   The guy in office now has spent more money on his trips and golf and put us further in debt than any guy in the history of this country... "WE".. all of us in the middle class will be forced to pay for that debt.... NOT just the Dems... Not Just the Reps.... Not in any way the POOR.... but the Middle class.... WAKE UP!
     
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    In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt?:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : what SanDog is saying players knew about his political view before the WHite House fiasco and the cup win. Aaron Ward said it on TSN that he and Thomas had many discussions in the dressing room when he was a playing. Posted by BsLegion[/QUOTE]

    I was going to start a collection for new bifocal glasses but the board hypocrite  would also need money for reading comprehension as well. What can anyone expect from someone who video records his TV with a cell phone to try n prove a point lol
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : what SanDog is saying players knew about his political view before the WHite House fiasco and the cup win. Aaron Ward said it on TSN that he and Thomas had many discussions in the dressing room when he was a playing.
    Posted by BsLegion[/QUOTE]

    His political views aren't the problem or what would keep a player from being selected.  It's the controversy that's associated with it.  The Olympics are all about rallying the country and feel good stories.

    In 2010, Thomas had his views but was not the center of controversy.  In 2014, he would be.  What players talk about in the locker room is irrelevant.
     
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    Good God.  Talk about being off point.

    How's the best way to deal this player who refuses to play?

    It's an interesting situation and the first of it's kind.

    How about the politics of dealing Thomas?

    Not one single post has addressed what I asked, what about keeping him until 2013-14?  

    He will have more value at that time then he will this coming season.

     
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    [QUOTE]Good God.  Talk about being off point. How's the best way to deal this player who refuses to play? It's an interesting situation and the first of it's kind. How about the politics of dealing Thomas? Not one single post has addressed what I asked, what about keeping him until 2013-14?   He will have more value at that time then he will this coming season.
    Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]
    BH,that topic was discussed at length shortly after TT announced his refusal to play. That's why nobody is talking about it now. Try to keep up.
     
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    Ok how does ones political views determine whether he will play hockey or not after 20 some odd years of doing so. Charlie stop trying to settle something that is unsettling.  TT has moved on, so have I.  If it cost you money well the next time I hear Neil Young's POC song then I will think of how we all have been duped in a capitalist society.  It is how the game is played, money does not make you less vulnerable but more culpable.  Sorry Charlie, the starkist tuna boat is out to sea. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jacobs Is Confident TT Can Still Be Dealt? : BH,that topic was discussed at length shortly after TT announced his refusal to play. That's why nobody is talking about it now. Try to keep up.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    Bad memory.  Maybe too much drinking.  What was the concensus?
    Or what's your opinion?
     
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