Re: Jim Schoenfeld said.......
posted at 8/16/2012 10:45 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Jim Schoenfeld said.......
[QUOTE]"Getting behind the wheel while drunk is a stupid decision— but somebody who is in denial about his drinking problem might not realize just how stupid a decision it is." Sorry, not acceptable. People can call alcoholism a disease all they like, but thats not the point. An impaired driver doesnt have to acknowledge his drinking problem to know that today, as drunk as he is, he cant drive a car. Choosing... that what adults do... to drive a car while drunk has nothing to do with having this disease. People who rarely drink that could never be accused of having a drinking problem would still be expected to choose not to kill someone in a car while drunk, disease present or not. Pedophiles are commonly known to be "in denial" of their "problem." So... not their fault when they act out? Not enough of a disease?
Posted by SoxFanInIL[/QUOTE]
SoxFan, thank you for reading my previous comment and for taking the time to thoughtfully reply. We simply have different perspectives on alcoholism and its symptoms. I'll maintain that plenty of people who drink—but not everyone who drinks—think "I can handle my liquor" or "I can quit anytime I want to," when they really can't, and that such denials are, in fact, signs of alcoholism and that such denials lead to bad decisions.
If I'm reading you right, you say it's a matter of choice; I say alcoholism leads to making *bad* choices. Folks like you and me, who are not alcoholics, know that when we're away from home and have had one too many, we should call a cab or have someone else drive us home, etc. We can logically think things through because we don't have that attitude that "I can handle my liquor."
To put it another way, alcoholics (and pedophiles, for that matter) don't think in straight lines. They live in different worlds than we do. You and I can make intelligent decisions; you and I realize there are consequences for bad decisions; you and I realize we live in a world where what we say and do affects other people. Alcoholics and pedophiles and junkies are wired differently. I don't think anyone *decides* to become a pedophile, junkie, alcoholic, etc.
I'll leave it to you to consider the matter of whether everyone has made at least one bad decision, maybe more, in life. My thoughts are that not everyone is capable of making good decisions. I'm not nearly educated enough to back that feeling up with evidence (which is ironic, given that I was all over NAS the other day, asking him for evidence of his claims). But I will give you an example from my personal life: I have been clinically diagnosed as obsessive-compulsive. It doesn't affect other people, but there are times when I find myself checking to make sure I've locked the house door, *even though I know I've locked it.* I live with five dogs and a cat, and I am continually counting them to make sure they're all there, even though there is noplace for them to go. These are decisions beyond my control; they are, in fact, illogical. So from that point of view, it's not that much of a leap for me to surmise that some people make bad decisions because of the way they are wired.
I know I've rambled on here, and if you've made it this far, thank you for your patience. I know this is supposed to be a hockey forum, but matters like this are, in my opinion, important enough to be discussed anywhere.