Re: Just had an interesting conversation with a Canuck fan....
posted at 6/29/2011 8:30 AM EDT
In Response to Just had an interesting conversation with a Canuck fan....
[QUOTE]He was trying to tell me why he was so pleased that the team resigned Maxim Lapierre. He kept telling me that the fact that I hate him so much, means he's doing his job. Which I thought was interesting. Apparently that guys job is to aggrivate me, while I watch the games on TV. But seriously, I understood what he meant. He's there to irritate the other team. But is that really a neccassary job in the NHL? Or is it just a job that guys with attitude problems and daddy issues made up, to justify their selfish, punk like behavior? I mean plenty of teams don't have guys like that. Plenty of teams have won without guys like that. And the one's that did win with guys like that on the team, probably did so more so because of the amount of goals they scored and how well they played defense and kept the puck out of their own net....yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how they ALL did it actually And before anyone says Marchand, remember, he scored 21 goals in the regular season and 11 in the playoffs. And I don't think any of those went in because the goalie was too irritated to make the save
Posted by Swerengen[/QUOTE]
The classic example of this is Claude Lemieux, and most Bruins fans remember him for turtling up against Neely while #8 dragged him across the ice by the scruff of his neck to smash him face-first into the boards--an action Lemieux never protested b/c he knew how many cheap, potentially injury-indusing shots he had taken at Neely to lead up to that.
But Lemieux won the Cup (at least once--w/the Lanche, I think) and was effective in that role while not being a great player.
still, I think he;'s the exception. There are a lot of nasty, pesky, trash-talking irritants on teams (and Marchand completely fits the bill), but I don;'t think there's a space for guys like that anymore unless they also have real talent* (which Marchand obviously does.) If you're just a rat and not a goal-scorer or at least a PK guy, you're just going to be putting your team in a penalty situation and it won't last long til you're benched.
I think this is why a guy like Sean Avery won't be around much longer. As his skill set erodes, his whole cheap-shot persona will end up hurting teams more than helping them.
Lapierre doesn't have enough talent to justify a decent contract. He cares more about taunting than scoring, apparently. The diff. between a guy like him and Marchand should be obvious: Marchand helped his team win a Stanley Cup....Lapierre helped his team lose focus, effort, and ultimately a title.
*Ken Linesman, who made his bones w/;the Flyers but also had productive late-career years w/the Bruins, is another good example of human sandpaper with talent to back it up.