Re: KPD Has Some Interesting Thoughts
posted at 11/6/2011 8:30 AM EST
In Response to Re: KPD Has Some Interesting Thoughts
[QUOTE]This is two years old from a poster named 'LITY" on 'Yahoo Answers' (though i don't think Thornton won the 'Pearson') Dupont's always been wrong about Thornton - and he knows it --------------------------------------------------------- Thornton 's in. 1) He's got hardware (1 Hart, 1 Pearson ) 2) He's got multiple post-season all-star nominations (3) 3) He's been top 5 in scoring 5 of the last 6 seasons (no one else has) 4) He's got the highest single season point total of the decade 5) He's got the most points of the last decade by over 100 6) He's well over a point/game for his career (1.02) The Hall of Fame ranks you against your peers, and over the last 10 years, Thornton has outscored his peers. The only thing he is missing is playoff success, but that didn't hurt Marcel Dionne, Dale Hawerchuk, Bernie Federko, etc The two Hart winners that didn't make the Hall of Fame Tom Anderson (1942) and Al Rollins (1951), Anderson only had the one good year. Rollins won the Hart trophy as a Black Hawks goaltender winning 12 games and losing 47............the 47 losses in a season is the 2nd most by a goaltender in any single NHL season............but if it wasn't for Rollins, the Blackhawks team could easily have been 0-70-0. (Rollins and Anderson are the only players from last place teams to win the Hart) Now, there is widespread belief that the number of Hart winners not elected will increase as a couple of the voters don't believe that Sergei Fedorov had a Hall of Fame career despite starting out that way (Fedorov averaged greater than a point a game only once in his last 12 seasons), and there's not a lot of support for Jose Theodore (similar circumstances to Rollins). Fedorov will get support because he does have several Cups, mentored Ovechkin, and won the Hart and Pearson, and has a couple of Selkes...all by 1996. Martin St. Louis was mentioned in the 'maybe not' conversation for a couple of years but his stats over the last 7 years rank 3rd behind Thornton and Iginla (the comparison against your peers) and he did do the triple in 03 (Art Ross, Hart, Pearson) and has been amnong the top 15 scorers for 6 of the last 7 seasons (Fedorov was in the top 15 4x in 19 seasons, and only in the top 10 twice) "
Posted by Awry[/QUOTE]
Awry, it's obvious an argument can be made for both sides but if he retired today is he in the Hall? Is Lindros a shoo-in for the Hall? His numbers compare very favorably to a recent Bruin inductee but I've got a feeling he'll have trouble making in. As long as a vote is involved there will always be things outside the numbers that dictate whether a player makes it. Fair or not, that's the way it is. I just don't think Joe has had the sustained star-power that it takes to make the Hall. Let's look at some of the other players of his generation and decide who makes it. As I said, you've got the Sedins and Lecavalier and St. Louis, Jagr, Crosby, Gonchar, Leclair, Lindros, Fleury, Forsberg, Kariya, Selanne, Doug Weight.....where do we draw the line?