Krejci...time to dump him

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    Re: Krejci...time to dump him

    No ones talking about dumping the best player, they are talking about Krejci.
    Bergeron, Chara, Ference, Thomas, Lucic, Recchi, Horton, Seidenberg, at least have all contributed more in total this season than Krejci.

    Which isn't to say I think dumping him for a guy on his last legs is a good idea.

    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]Lets dump our best player because he has been slumping for the last few weeks. Really. Krejci will be fine. The fact that you are comparing Ryder to Krejci makes you lose all credibility. The only 2 guys with more upside then Krejci on this team are Rask & Seguin. There is lots of other deadwood to move long before Krejci. We have seen what this team is like when Krejci is on & what they are like when he is hurt. Krejci should never have been taking out of the primary center role on this team just to cater to a returning veteran who has done nothing to this point. Way to much catering to certain veterans on this team rather then just using the eye test.
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    I don't want DK to go anywhere. I don't mind he's slumping. I just have have a problem making the DK-PB comparision because there is none! When DK is slumping he offers nothing across the board.
    PB may go into scoring droughts, but he contributes else where. Face-offs, PK, causes turn-overs. DK doesn't have anywhere near the intangiables that PB does.
     
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    Re: Krejci...time to dump him

    Looking at the bigger picture over the last 3 seasons- DK is a better offensive forward than Bergeron.  Chat board GM's will all go with PB right now because he is on fire.  Just remember that DK was the most consistent forward on the team the last 2 seasons.  True-he is in a slump right now and PB is playing spectacular hockey.

    Do you give up on DK? Do you trade him at his lowest value?  No and no.  He will heat up again, it's just a matter of time.

    Depth at center- remember to keep Campbell in that discussion too.  He is not a big scorer but he is having a tremendous all around year and i'd guess that he will be a Bruin for a long time.  He is the best 4th line player that B's have had in the last decade...
     
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    DK is like Adam Oates. No matter how much more aggressive you want them to play, thats not their game. They are finesse players , skilled and make passes most players can only dream of making.  Bergeron is the best overall player we have on the team but DK is the most skilled (along with Savard). 

    Not sure how that is even disputed

    Also DK is a 3.5 million per season guy. He is a 2nd or 3rd line centre and will get you around 70 points a season, not 100 points (unless he has elite wingers playing with him)






     
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    I believe Krejci has been playing through a lower body injury.  For a couple of weeks he looked like he was skating with a stick stuck up his butt.  The last few games his skating has looked closer to normal but his speed is not back yet.  It would not be the first time a player was playing threw an injury and a reactionary silly message board wanted said player traded for a bag of pucks.
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Krejci...time to dump him : Do you actually watch the games? Krejci is not scoring right now, but if you watch him - he's playing excellent hockey. Always in position, creates opportunities for his wings, checks etc.. This type of observation has been made countless times about Patrice Bergeron in the past - funny you don't here them any more. Same applies to Horton; he's doing everything right but right now he's hit a dry spot - eventually it will turn for both these talented players. I'd keep Krejci over Kessel everyday, and twice on Sundays. Kessel does one thing well - he's a burner with a good (not excellent) scoring touch.
    Posted by Shadowcpt[/QUOTE]

    Ditto.  Krejci's give and go with Lucic yesterday was a thing of beauty.  He was the best player in our shortened playoff run last year - many have said how his injury was the reason for the loss to Philly and there's no reason to think he wouldn't have continued v. Montreal.  He has a history of concussions (nasty one from Adam Mair) and a minor recurrence this year.  It was written on a previous post how he lost his wingers when Savard returned and I think he was beginning to play well again with Lucic and Seguin ... now Savard gets dinged and DK gets moved again.
     
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    As much as I love Bergeron, I can't help but think about a certain team in last year's playoffs that was up 3-0 and when DK was hurt, they couldn't sniff at winning another game in the series, even with an early 3-0 lead in Game 7.

    Have we forgotten THAT guy already?
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]As much as I love Bergeron, I can't help but think about a certain team in last year's playoffs that was up 3-0 and when DK was hurt, they couldn't sniff at winning another game in the series, even with an early 3-0 lead in Game 7. Have we forgotten THAT guy already?
    Posted by SoxFanInIL[/QUOTE]
    Did it matter that Seidenberg was also hurt and Savard was playing at about 40%?DK's injury was the last straw in a long line of issues Boston had to face.To say it was solely because of his injury that we lost simply isn't true.
     
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    The point is Bergeron did not come through after we were up 3-0. DK was big helping us to be 3-0 though 

    When guys like Briere and Richards were playing like heroes everyone wondered when it was going to be Bergeron's turn. 


     
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    [QUOTE]The point is Bergeron did not come through after we were up 3-0. DK was big helping us to be 3-0 though  When guys like Briere and Richards were playing like heroes everyone wondered when it was going to be Bergeron's turn. 
    Posted by yaz16[/QUOTE]
    So Bergeron let you down did he?
     
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    Did he make you proud then? He needed to score a goal or be part of a goal to reverse momentum the Flyers were on. 

    He never made mistakes and played solid defensively , but his offense was non existent

    Excuse about him coming from concussion is also not valid since he was leading the team in scoring up to the philly series

    Going off topic a bit to answer your question. But its to prove a point the type of value DK brings to our team. I'm sure the team wouldn't be as good today without Bergeron but we would also suffer if Krecji would be out for a prolonged period
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]Did he make you proud then? He needed to score a goal or be part of a goal to reverse momentum the Flyers were on.  He never made mistakes and played solid defensively , but his offense was non existent Excuse about him coming from concussion is also not valid since he was leading the team in scoring up to the philly series Going off topic a bit to answer your question. But its to prove a point the type of value DK brings to our team. I'm sure the team wouldn't be as good today without Bergeron but we would also suffer if Krecji would be out for a prolonged period
    Posted by yaz16[/QUOTE]
    No one was saying DK wouldn't be sorely missed if he was injured or traded.And yes I was proud of Bergeron's play.He had 2 assists in game 4 including 1 with 32 seconds left to send the game to OT.The team then only scored 1 goal in the next 2 games but that was hardly all on Bergeron.He can only do so many jobs at once(although lately it seems he can do it all).
     
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    I'll never understand why:

    1) Some Bruins fans always seem to want to trade away the team's strengths (i.e. the areas where they're the strongest--"Let's trade Thomas! Or Rask! Or Chara!") Instead of from the areas where they're weakest--i.e. the wingers. Ther Bruins are widely acknowledged to have fortification up the middle, and that is needed more than ever now that Savard is out for who knows how long?  Do people not remember a few years back when Savard got hurt in the playoffs and Krejci setpped up out of nowhere to pick up the slack and play his best hockey--keeping the Bruins in the series vs. Montreal? And if i'm not wrong, DK was just a rookie then. Trading him now would be amazingly counterproductive.

    2) Why give up on a guy who's shown proven talent at his position....is still young...and has tremedous upside? Why concentrate on his goal production when passing and setting up goals is obviously his strength? Krejci is no flash in the pan...he's having a tough time getting on the scoring chart but so is Horton....are we giving up on him after half a season even tho' he's shown an amazing shot and real sniper ability?

    The Bruins' weaknesses are at wing scoring and lack of a 2nd PMD to complement Kampfer. Lose DK now and you're suddenly crazy thin at center and overworking Bergeron. You really think we can just plug in the 18 year old rookie Seguin and expect him to have the smarts and experience and playmaking ability Krejci has?

    Look, I'm not known for my patience as a Bruins fan, but this is January, and the B;'s may have lost their potential #1 center for the season. This could be Krejci;'s time to shine again and you don't want to lose him now just b/c he only has 7 goals on the season. Concentrate on improving production from the wings, and move Wheeler and/or Ryder for almost anyone--at the very least to infuse some new blood and shake things up.

    Dealing DK is the same as shooting yourself in the foot at this point.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'll never understand why: 1) Some Bruins fans always seem to want to trade away the team's strengths (i.e. the areas where they're the strongest--"Let's trade Thomas! Or Rask! Or Chara!") Instead of from the areas where they're weakest--i.e. the wingers. Ther Bruins are widely acknowledged to have fortification up the middle, and that is needed more than ever now that Savard is out for who knows how long?  Do people not remember a few years back when Savard got hurt in the playoffs and Krejci setpped up out of nowhere to pick up the slack and play his best hockey--keeping the Bruins in the series vs. Montreal? And if i'm not wrong, DK was just a rookie then. Trading him now would be amazingly counterproductive. 2) Why give up on a guy who's shown proven talent at his position....is still young...and has tremedous upside? Why concentrate on his goal production when passing and setting up goals is obviously his strength? Krejci is no flash in the pan...he's having a tough time getting on the scoring chart but so is Horton....are we giving up on him after half a season even tho' he's shown an amazing shot and real sniper ability? The Bruins' weaknesses are at wing scoring and lack of a 2nd PMD to complement Kampfer. Lose DK now and you're suddenly crazy thin at center and overworking Bergeron. You really think we can just plug in the 18 year old rookie Seguin and expect him to have the smarts and experience and playmaking ability Krejci has? Look, I'm not known for my patience as a Bruins fan, but this is January, and the B;'s may have lost their potential #1 center for the season. This could be Krejci;'s time to shine again and you don't want to lose him now just b/c he only has 7 goals on the season. Concentrate on improving production from the wings, and move Wheeler and/or Ryder for almost anyone--at the very least to infuse some new blood and shake things up. Dealing DK is the same as shooting yourself in the foot at this point.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]
    The point many of us were making is that DK is the most tradeable because of all the reasons you've stated.I'm not saying to deal him but I recognize that he'd be very attractive to a number of teams and could help in acquiring a winger and a D-man.You've got to give quality to get something back.
     
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    Re: Krejci...time to dump him

    Consider the source of the thread...he's lobbied for dumping every single Bruins player, coach, and GM at any given point. My boy Nash just tosses grenades. It's what he does. Never a positive comment.

    Trade Krejci? Shenanigans!
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]rjd, go look at tapes of the 2010 playoffs. Right before he got hurt, he was the best Bruin on the ice...He had 4 goals and 4 assists v. Sabres/Philly and in his 27 career playoff games he's a plus 10....think about that...playoffs is a time the B's have been shaky or inconsistent. But a Plus-10??? That's impressive. He is very capable of being a great player and right now he's just in a massive slump.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    I don't disagree that he is capabable of playing at a top level. I just wonder whether he can sustain it over an entire year. He needs to gain some muscle. Maybe that will help him be stronger on his stick and less prone to being bumped off the puck.

     
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    Despite the concussion, and having had PJ Axellson, and other offensively lacking players tied around his ankles, Bergeron still has a better career points per game. And last season Bergeron was better, they had the same number of points but Bergeron did it in less games. Also Bergeron is far better at puck protection, miles and away better at faceoffs, and hasn't complained that he liked playing with fellow North Americans over Euro's. 

    Sorry, I like Krejci, but even if the salary difference between the two was twice what it is I'd take Bergeron seven days a week.

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    [QUOTE]Looking at the bigger picture over the last 3 seasons- DK is a better offensive forward than Bergeron.  Chat board GM's will all go with PB right now because he is on fire.  Just remember that DK was the most consistent forward on the team the last 2 seasons.  True-he is in a slump right now and PB is playing spectacular hockey. Do you give up on DK? Do you trade him at his lowest value?  No and no.  He will heat up again, it's just a matter of time. Depth at center- remember to keep Campbell in that discussion too.  He is not a big scorer but he is having a tremendous all around year and i'd guess that he will be a Bruin for a long time.  He is the best 4th line player that B's have had in the last decade...
    Posted by stingerjp[/QUOTE]
     
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    Re: Krejci...time to dump him

    That's a ridiculous 'point'. He was the only useful center left. Savard looked bad, and Begin and Whitfied were the other two. Of course he was going to get shut down, its just like teams keying on Malkin when Crosby and Staal were both out.

    Gimme a break.

    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]The point is Bergeron did not come through after we were up 3-0. DK was big helping us to be 3-0 though  When guys like Briere and Richards were playing like heroes everyone wondered when it was going to be Bergeron's turn. 
    Posted by yaz16[/QUOTE]
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him : The point many of us were making is that DK is the most tradeable because of all the reasons you've stated.I'm not saying to deal him but I recognize that he'd be very attractive to a number of teams and could help in acquiring a winger and a D-man.You've got to give quality to get something back.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    Yes, you only get back quality if you trade quality--but unless you're getting back another Center for DK you're suddenly very weak at that position. You may gain another winger who can score only to find there's no one to feed him those sweet passes. That's certainly not Bergeron's strength as a center--he's more of a defensive specialist who checks hard and wins faceoffs...and Seguin simply isn't ready to step in and do what DK's capable of.

    Now that it looks like Savvy is out--perhaps for good (and woe to the Bruins if so), you need Krejci more than ever before.
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]Despite the concussion, and having had PJ Axellson, and other offensively lacking players tied around his ankles, Bergeron still has a better career points per game. And last season Bergeron was better, they had the same number of points but Bergeron did it in less games. Also Bergeron is far better at puck protection, miles and away better at faceoffs, and hasn't complained that he liked playing with fellow North Americans over Euro's.  Sorry, I like Krejci, but even if the salary difference between the two was twice what it is I'd take Bergeron seven days a week. In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him :
    Posted by bandgbleeder[/QUOTE]


    How is bergeron better at puck protection? Krecji puck protection skills are excellent, especially on the boards. We can go , on and on about who is better at what. Krecji better at passing, Bergeron better at faceoffs etc.

    bottom line is both of these guys have helped us be the best team in our division today. We need both players

    Trading Krecji like many stated leaves a big hole at the centre position.
     
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    In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Krejci...time to dump him : Yes, you only get back quality if you trade quality--but unless you're getting back another Center for DK you're suddenly very weak at that position. You may gain another winger who can score only to find there's no one to feed him those sweet passes. That's certainly not Bergeron's strength as a center--he's more of a defensive specialist who checks hard and wins faceoffs...and Seguin simply isn't ready to step in and do what DK's capable of. Now that it looks like Savvy is out--perhaps for good (and woe to the Bruins if so), you need Krejci more than ever before.
    Posted by TryToBearIt[/QUOTE]
    Wish Savard all the best and stress that I prefer to not see DK leave anytime soon.It's time to test the depth of the organization at forward.That method's  worked well enough with the D so far.
     
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    Re: Krejci...time to dump him

    Agreed Dez! With today's news of Savy, DK is staying put! And if the B's do in fact go looking for a rental, I hope it's a scoring winger. Give Seguin a real shot as the 3rd centre.
     

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