Krug's Value

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    Krug's Value

    How much is Krug going to land as an RFA?  Could he be a candidate to be odd man out?


    No denying his offensive prowess, but seems to project as a bottom-pair D-Man/ PP Specialist.  He averaged only 17:30 TOI, 2 minutes less than Bartkowski in the regular season, nearly identical time to Miller.  The B's certainly have plenty of other bottom pair options.


    He would be a nice "sell-high" guy, and the team would still have Hamilton to anchor the PP, as well as, AHL options with Warsofsky & Morrow.


    Possibly move Krug for some cap flexibility, picks or a player that can help up front?


    Thoughts?


     

     
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    I just don't know if I would want the Bruins to move one of the few players who isn't afraid to shoot. I haven't seen Morrow or Warsofsky on an NHL enough to think that they could replace Krug. I do think a lot about how the PP was before Krug got to Boston.

    It is intriguing because I do think the return would real good for Krug. As with any player, if the return is immense the trade has to be considered. The fear of "another 2010" isn't as legit to me because of the PP though.

    If it is salary you move there is only two salaries I am looking at. 

     
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    An offer sheet by another team is another risk...could force PC's hand one way or another.

     

     
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    Krug is a keeper especially now. It will be a tricky sign as Chia doesn't have the option of long term so he may have to force a 5M for 2Y contract and then try to extend in spring of 2016. Warsofsky isn't the same caliber.

    I don't see any team throwing an offer sheet to Krug because not a top D potential

    One or two of War, Bart, Boychuck and Quaider will have to go for young talent and Cap space.

    Sandog's point about Boychuck's next value will be high. He may be this summers move or when Trade deadline day comes. If we are in good shape we may even keep him for the cup run and let him walk.

     
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    An offer sheet by another team is another risk...could force PC's hand one way or another.

     

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    Yes I'd go after Krug. He's a special type player. Led all defensemen at shots on net and almost all of them are controlled and easily tippable.  Power play was 3rd in the league with him being the main reason for improvement. If he's gone you can kiss the Pp goodby.  Yes he can be a liability sometimes in even strength situations but my bet is they score more when he's on ice in these situations. There was a lot of crying about having no speed in the playoffs. Get rid if him and we're back to the Chara crawl up the ice on Pp.  Please no!!!!

     
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    An offer sheet by another team is another risk...could force PC's hand one way or another.

     

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    Thought I read somewhere that Krug is not exposed to other teams, that his RFA status is still exclusive to the Bruins.  Smith might be too.  Might have something to do with the 10 games threshold for NHL games in their 1st year.  Can't find it though, maybe someone can chime in with that detail?

    I also may be totally making that up, so I am sure I will be corrected if I am.

     
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    Interesting....I don't think I heard that. Anyone know?

     

     
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    Sure, it's an option. But do you think PC would do this? I don't think so.

    It looks very much like they will try Loui on the 1st line and rearrange the 3rd and 4th lines using what they have with the addition of a couple Baby B's. If that's not getting it done by March then you might see PC pull the trigger on something.

    But I like thinking about the return for Krug. If there's a team that really thinks a guy like Krug is the answer to all their problems come the trade deadline (or whenever) I think he'd get you back a nice haul.

     
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    Yes Krug can be issued an offer sheet.

    For that to happen first Krug would have to sign off on it for starters. Then the offer would have to be at least 3.4M or higher per year or it would be an automatic match by Chia. Once over 3.4M the compensation is a 1st and a 3rd. It would certainly put the pressure on but I think a team would have to go 4M or higher to force them to give him away.

     

     
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    An offer sheet by another team is another risk...could force PC's hand one way or another.

     

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    Thought I read somewhere that Krug is not exposed to other teams, that his RFA status is still exclusive to the Bruins.  Smith might be too.  Might have something to do with the 10 games threshold for NHL games in their 1st year.  Can't find it though, maybe someone can chime in with that detail?

    I also may be totally making that up, so I am sure I will be corrected if I am.

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    Never heard of anything like that and doubt it.  The whole point of the FA part of RFA is that players can negotiate with other teams to establish more of a market.

    Now, I would believe that you heard or read someone who got their topics mixed up a bit and confused having arbitration rights with being able to sign with any team as an RFA.  You need 4 seasons before you become eligible for arbitration.

    Not to be Chicken Little here, but I think the risk of an offer to Krug is fairly high.  Because the Bruins only have a small amount of space even with the Savard money, a Dan Boyle-like $4.5M offer would force some very difficult decisions.  It would leave no money for a Smith signing or for two other forwards, so someone would have to be gone.  It's rare that you see this much of an opportunity for another GM to be this predatory without having to go the full Weber and break the $100M mark.


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    Krug has value on the power play, but that diminished in later part of the season. Overvaluing a player who is described a 4 or 5 defenseman is so like Bruins fans. All players including Boychuck are expendable. The have depth on defense supposedly. The Bs need a right winger. 

    "Don't judge me monkey" 

     
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    An offer sheet by another team is another risk...could force PC's hand one way or another.

     

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    Has an offer sheet ever been extended to a guy coming off his rookie season?  I don't think so, but I've been wrong often.

    Anyway, worrying about offer sheet is like worrying about getting hit by lightning on a clear day.  It's just not someone to ever be concerned about.

     
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    Krug is extremely valuable.  He's especially valuable because he has elite offensive skill but won't get paid as high as the Subban's of the world because he's small and not a go-to guy defensively.  This makes him especially valuable to the Bruins, who have Chara, Seidenberg, etc to be match-up men.  He'll probably get around 3 per, and be worth it.

     
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    An offer sheet by another team is another risk...could force PC's hand one way or another.

     

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    Thought I read somewhere that Krug is not exposed to other teams, that his RFA status is still exclusive to the Bruins.  Smith might be too.  Might have something to do with the 10 games threshold for NHL games in their 1st year.  Can't find it though, maybe someone can chime in with that detail?

    I also may be totally making that up, so I am sure I will be corrected if I am.

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    Never heard of anything like that and doubt it.  The whole point of the FA part of RFA is that players can negotiate with other teams to establish more of a market.

    Now, I would believe that you heard or read someone who got their topics mixed up a bit and confused having arbitration rights with being able to sign with any team as an RFA.  You need 4 seasons before you become eligible for arbitration.

    Not to be Chicken Little here, but I think the risk of an offer to Krug is fairly high.  Because the Bruins only have a small amount of space even with the Savard money, a Dan Boyle-like $4.5M offer would force some very difficult decisions.  It would leave no money for a Smith signing or for two other forwards, so someone would have to be gone.  It's rare that you see this much of an opportunity for another GM to be this predatory without having to go the full Weber and break the $100M mark.


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    This one I agree with you. He'd be a great addition to a team with the extra cap space and will become a fan favorite wherever he lands. He just got that little bit of Bobby Orr in him I haven't seen in a long time..  Yikes. I Can't imagine what my pal Not-a-Shot will say about that comment.

     
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    Has an offer sheet ever been extended to a guy coming off his rookie season?  I don't think so, but I've been wrong often.

     

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    Canucks signed Backes at the end of his first full season with the Blues.  That's the only one I can think of.


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    Clipped this from the CBA:

     

    10.2 Restricted Free Agents. (a) Group 2 Players and Free Agents. (i) (A) Any Player who meets the qualifications set forth in the following chart and: (1) is not a Group 1 Player or a Group 4 Player, and (2) is not an Unrestricted Free Agent, shall be deemed to be a "Group 2 Player" and shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become a Restricted Free Agent.  Any such Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any such Player, subject to the provisions set forth in this Section.  As used in this Section 10.2, "age," including "First SPC Signing Age" means a Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he signs an SPC regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC. First SPC Signing Age Eligible for Group 2 Free Agency 18 - 21 3 years professional experience 22 - 23 2 years professional experience 24 or older 1 year professional experience
    For the purposes of this Section 10.2(a), a Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games in a given NHL Season, and a Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year.

    Still can't find where I thought PC commented on this, so took a run at trying to interpret this directly from the CBA.  I am probably wrong here, I'll continue to research it.

     
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    Just found this.

    Along with training, he'll be signing a new contract this summer. As an entry-level free agent, he can only negotiate with the Bruins. General Manager Peter Chiarelli has said that they could sign him to a one-year deal, and give him a deserved raise down the road.

    http://bruins.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=30446

     

     
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    Good find. I guess a qualifying offer can do in this respect for a one year contract. Though he could request arbitration...

     

     
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    He doesn't have arbitration rights, jm.  Need four years.

    I also don't know that I buy that Carolyn Switaj's an authoritative interpreter of the CBA, unless this is a new rule.  But again, if you can only negotiate with the team that signed you originally, you're not an RFA.  The only time I know of where the NHL CBA provides for exclusive negotiating rights is with drafted players.  Unless there's a new definition of "Entry Level Player" meaning someone with, what, less than two full years?  I'm going with this being inaccurate.

     

     

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  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from Crowls2424. Show Crowls2424's posts

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    More from the CBA:

     

    (c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience.

    Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section.  Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above.  A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player.  In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above

    Think this applies to Krug & Smith since they played fewer than 10 games in year 1 of their EL deal.

     
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    More...

    On whether all of the Bruins’ RFAs were qualified, and how the salary cap being less than anticipated affects the team…
    We did end up qualifying Jordan [Caron]. We ended up qualifying Jordan, so that’s all of them. Not really on the salary cap – we’ve got guys signed, but we’ll get them signed. You know, like Torey [Krug] and Reilly [Smith] — they’re not restricted free agents. They’re called entry-level free agents, so they don’t really have anywhere to go. They can’t talk to other teams. And it may be that they have to play on a one-year deal, and we’ll find money for them at some point. They deserve raises at some point. But it’s tighter. I mean, in general, I think a lot of teams thought it would be a million bucks more, so it’s not that much different.

    http://www.bostonsportsdesk.com/chiarelli-talks-free-agency/

     
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    Nice find, Crowls.  Thank you.

    That ends the stupidty of the offer sheet to either of these two.

     
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    Yep...good work Crowls!

     

     
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    In response to Crowls2424's comment:
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    As used in this Section 10.2, "age," including "First SPC Signing Age" means a Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he signs an SPC regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC. First SPC Signing Age Eligible for Group 2 Free Agency 18 - 21 3 years professional experience 22 - 23 2 years professional experience 24 or older 1 year professional experience

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    Actually, Crowls, I think this is the section that supports what you're saying - and it's the first time I've ever heard of it.  Basically, Krug signed his EL deal after college as 22 (he was 21, but see the language re: Sept 21 of the calendar year in which he signs his first SPC...).  So he would have to play two seasons of professional hockey before he could be an RFA.  Reilly Smith signed at 21, so I'm going to assume he also has to play one more year before he's eligible to be an RFA.  Both would be RFA if the fewer than 10 games counted as a season.

    This is actually pretty huge.  I means the Bruins are more or less in control of these two guys now that they've been qualified.

     


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    ...and yes, in addition to acknowledging I was wrong, kudos to Crowls!

     

     

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