Loui and the third line ?

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    Chemistry won't matter a bit if you don't show up against good teams. You can't find out if Eriksson won't or will click with Krejci if you don't try it. 

    What if Iginla clicked with Bergeron ?

     
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    This guy couldn't play with Sid or Malkin.... Wow!!! 

     

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    Yeah, okay Alicia Silverstone, let me help you with this.

    12 points in his first 10 playoff games with the Pens is not "couldn't play with" Malkin.  And let's be clear that he was on with Malkin, not Crosby.  Then the whole team tripped on its junk against the Bruins...but sure, blame that on Iginla not being able to play with Crosby.  Even in the regular season, the guy had 11 points in 13 games including 4 PPG.  But yeah, he was a phantom.

    Now for your plan to juggle things around just to get individuals going regardless of how the team is doing.  You want to see Eriksson on the PP? Want to see him switch lines with Iginla? Explain how that helps the team.  Telling me "well, Iginla's not doing so hot" doesn't explain why you give the ice to Eriksson.  If Iginla's a problem on the PP, why not give the ice to the forward with the most PPG - Smith - or the leading goal-scorer - Marchand?  No, no...let's give it to Eriksson to "try to get him going."  And somehow all of the criticism of Iginla's PP performance goes by without a mention of the words "Geoff Ward".  When was the last time you saw them run a play designed to give Iginla a one timer in a legit scoring area - not outside the dot where they seem to stick him now? 

    That whole Fat Elvis line is in a hole right now.  Krejci is 4 for 2014 (8 games), Lucic 3.  But yeah, let's rip Iginla.  Yeah, he's been losing battles and the puck a lot more frequently recently.  But remember when Marchand couldn't stop falling down?  How's he doing now?  And how did that happen?  Did they give him a whole bunch of time on the PP?  Did they switch him with Fat?  No.  You know what they did, because it's their team philosophy and a key to their success?  They left him where he was and let him play his way out of it.  They continued to play a strong team game and provide stability for all of the players so that they can find their rhythm and chemistry.  Stupid, right?  You should help guys pump up their stats!

    When Eriksson came back from the second concussion, Julien put him on the third line to get his legs back.  Less pressure, less responsibility to score.  Put him in a spot where he can contribute and have some success.  Didn't chuck him into situations where you're basically saying we expect you to score.  In a nutshell, that's the difference between how this Bruins regime has done things and what you're asking them to do.

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    Well according to the powers that be that run the Canadian Oylmpic hockey team thinks that there's nobody who can actually play with Crosby in all of Canada except Chris Kunitz. In 2010...Crosby wasn't clicking with "anybody" except Iginla who assisted on the Gold Medal Winner btw.

     
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    What impresses me with Loui is the way he uses his stick to break up passes, strip players of the puck, get to loose pucks first with his one-handed reach and his positioning. He is second to only Bergeron on the team in doing these "little" things.

    His stickwork is impressive.

     
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    What impresses me with Loui is the way he uses his stick to break up passes, strip players of the puck, get to loose pucks first with his one-handed reach and his positioning. He is second to only Bergeron on the team in doing these "little" things.

    His stickwork is impressive.

     



    I agree. The guy's a plus40 in his NHL career playing mostly for nonplay-off teams. He's a godsend for Claude & his staff with the way he playes defensively. The offense will come. He's too good not to come around. Every player is different in how they adjust to trades, new linemates, coaches, systems & coming back from injury. When players like Ovie & Nash can go thru some hard times offensively which is their specialty. I think Loui should be allowed some slack here. At least he's still contributing as a defensive specialist. It's not like he's lost his offense & making mistakes to help the other team score! 

     

     
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    What impresses me with Loui is the way he uses his stick to break up passes, strip players of the puck, get to loose pucks first with his one-handed reach and his positioning. He is second to only Bergeron on the team in doing these "little" things.

    His stickwork is impressive.

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    He's an intelligent player. Chris Kelly does this stuff as well, not as good as Bergeron, but effective. People are going to judge Eriksson on his points, which is too bad, he's one of the better overall players for things like you've pointed out above.

    The points will come, too good of a player for them not to.

     
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    What impresses me with Loui is the way he uses his stick to break up passes, strip players of the puck, get to loose pucks first with his one-handed reach and his positioning. He is second to only Bergeron on the team in doing these "little" things.

    His stickwork is impressive.

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     Chris Kelly does this stuff as well, not as good as Bergeron, but effective.

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    Put Campbell in there also.................on a lesser scale, of course.

     
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    What impresses me with Loui is the way he uses his stick to break up passes, strip players of the puck, get to loose pucks first with his one-handed reach and his positioning. He is second to only Bergeron on the team in doing these "little" things.

    His stickwork is impressive.

     


     Every player is different in how they adjust to trades, new linemates, coaches, systems & coming back from injury. 

     

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    My thoughts also.

    Add in living in a different city, playing Eastern Conference teams more then the West which he was more familiar playing against.

    Comfort levels in all areas is a thing that gets overlooked. 


     
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    Kelly and Campbell are great with their sticks - great hand eye, and both get good leverage even with only one hand.  Right up until they touch the puck.  Then, for some reason, vulcanized rubber is the catalyst that turns them into Bishop from Aliens.

     
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    Book I think you put way too much emphasis on julien "system" in a manner to justify a player's performance. Good players will play well anywhere anytime but maybe loui can be in a slump that lends no search for answers or justification be that as it may he"s stinking up thejoint I sincerely hope he just thrives in the playoffs big time  that's all really want needless to say he's not my type of player. 

    Btw - bourque was at the end of his career in Colorado and played well for few games In his first year as a Av and second. 



    I notice that the player that the B's traded to Dallas as the centerpiece of the deal hasn't scored a goal in 10 games. First line player,getting first line minutes and 1st line PP minutes. What gives? Can't be Ruff's system, right?

     

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    Well 50nlz That's just a slump like every player goes through even more so the younger ones but I also noticed that in spite of that he's still 20th top scorer

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    Like i said though, 1st line minutes, 1st line PP minutes on a non playoff team, no pressure in a football mad city, he should thrive and of course his defensive mistakes are easily overlooked. Young or not, everyone has their faults. And of course, stats are nice eye candy but do they truly depict a winner? 

     
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    I'm a fan of Loui. It's odd he's not getting rewarded offensively but I assume it will come. He does all the things that should allow him to prosper in CJ's system. He's very responsible defensively. Covers high when he's not the second man on the forecheck, puts the puck into open space, competes hard, and is a better skater that it seems he's given credit for.


    There is something off about that line though. Loui and Soderberg seem to zig when they should zag. Maybe Spooner is too creative for the system (as preposterous as that sounds)?? I don't know. They just seem out of joint and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the Yeti?


    I'm of the mind that Eriksson will be fine and will find his stride after a few more weeks of recovery. He does need to be a bit more selfish and try and to get his shots away more. I wonder what happens when Kelly gets back?


    ...and I would be OK if He and Iggy switched places for a bit. I know a lot of you really like  #12 but I find myself yelling at him through my TV more than just about any player in the past 2 months. I'll add my voice to those who would like to see him try out with Krejci and Fat

     
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    What impresses me with Loui is the way he uses his stick to break up passes, strip players of the puck, get to loose pucks first with his one-handed reach and his positioning. He is second to only Bergeron on the team in doing these "little" things.

    His stickwork is impressive.

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     Chris Kelly does this stuff as well, not as good as Bergeron, but effective.

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    Put Campbell in there also.................on a lesser scale, of course.

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    Funny we are talking about this Chowda, I was thinking about this the other day: When Jordan Staal broke into the league, his game was mature well beyond his age. He was perfect for Pittsburgh, well rounded game, was getting better in all aspects, and could fill in for Crosby/Malkin admirably then go back to his role without skipping a beat. I think in Carolina last year, he was asked to be something he's not or just in a role not suited for him. When he broke in, I was very impressed with his game and how he did the little things we've mentioned above.

     
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    Speaking of Eriksson on the third line:

    I was quite vocal about this not happening.

    Wrongo on that one.

     

     
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    If you watch Eriksson closely, you see him in two completely opposite modes.  One where he's playing hockey instinctively and doing what comes naturally to him.  A lot of that's on defense, and you'll notice that he's been a minus player in only two games all season.  In the offensive zone, or at any time when the Bruins have the puck, it's odd if you follow him exclusively.  You can see what he's thinking.  He goes to the net.  He goes to good scoring areas.  He makes himself available.  He follows the play and looks for rebounds.  He tries to anticipate on the cycle and establish good position.  He does all of these things - and the play inevitably goes somewhere else.  I don't think he's doing the wrong things.  I don't think he's not strong enough to win battles or any of those other things people charge him with.  I just think he's totally out of sync with how this team plays when it has the puck.  Very similar to Jagr that way, actually, except Jagr would then rely on sticking his giant keister out and killing 15-20 seconds along the boards before either whipping a pass into space or losing the puck to two or three guys.

    I said this before, and I'll stick to it until I see something different, but I honestly think Eriksson's a guy who will be like Bourque was in Colorado.  First year, it's not going to work the way you think it should.  Second year, he'll be an eye-opener.

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    Do you actually look this up as in check each game individually, or is there a game by game summary of each player and their stats, all nicely lined up to make these statements?

    And I agree about giving Erik time. The best example of this is Briere when he went to Philly. First couple of years he did okay, but the 3rd yr, he almost won them the cup. He was a beast in the playoffs all the way through to the last game against Chicago. 

    Let's be patient, it'll happen. If he has a good or great playoffs, we'll forget all about this. 

     

     
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    I dont see Eriksson on the 3rd line as a permanent thing. Just coming back from injury, Smith was hot etc... Eriksson will be back on 2nd line sooner rather than later.

     
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    I can't wait to see Eriksson back with a red hot Bergeron and Marchand. I think that will complete that line and Smith on the third line will make that line more stable as well.

     
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    If you watch Eriksson closely, you see him in two completely opposite modes.  One where he's playing hockey instinctively and doing what comes naturally to him.  A lot of that's on defense, and you'll notice that he's been a minus player in only two games all season.  In the offensive zone, or at any time when the Bruins have the puck, it's odd if you follow him exclusively.  You can see what he's thinking.  He goes to the net.  He goes to good scoring areas.  He makes himself available.  He follows the play and looks for rebounds.  He tries to anticipate on the cycle and establish good position.  He does all of these things - and the play inevitably goes somewhere else.  I don't think he's doing the wrong things.  I don't think he's not strong enough to win battles or any of those other things people charge him with.  I just think he's totally out of sync with how this team plays when it has the puck.  Very similar to Jagr that way, actually, except Jagr would then rely on sticking his giant keister out and killing 15-20 seconds along the boards before either whipping a pass into space or losing the puck to two or three guys.

    I said this before, and I'll stick to it until I see something different, but I honestly think Eriksson's a guy who will be like Bourque was in Colorado.  First year, it's not going to work the way you think it should.  Second year, he'll be an eye-opener.

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    Do you actually look this up as in check each game individually, or is there a game by game summary of each player and their stats, all nicely lined up to make these statements?

    And I agree about giving Erik time. The best example of this is Briere when he went to Philly. First couple of years he did okay, but the 3rd yr, he almost won them the cup. He was a beast in the playoffs all the way through to the last game against Chicago. 

    Let's be patient, it'll happen. If he has a good or great playoffs, we'll forget all about this. 

     

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    Game logs tab on the player's page on NHL.com.  Game by game breakdown of basic stats for each player. 

     
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    I can't wait to see Eriksson back with a red hot Bergeron and Marchand. I think that will complete that line and Smith on the third line will make that line more stable as well.

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    Same here. Look where this team is and we havent seen the best of Eriksson yet.

    I do like Sans idea of perhaps trying Iginla with Bergeron. Have to get him going, why not try it now and see if it works?

     
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    Agreed but it just might be in the 2014-15 season.  I am an Eriksson fan, but two concussions does cloud the offensive skills primarily close near the net.  

     

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    I dont see Eriksson on the 3rd line as a permanent thing. Just coming back from injury, Smith was hot etc... Eriksson will be back on 2nd line sooner rather than later.

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    Speaking of Eriksson on the third line:

    I was quite vocal about this not happening.

    Wrongo on that one.

     

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    I said after 10 games, or less he'll be back with Bergeron. He's still not a 3rd line player.

     
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    The one thing that peeves me off to no end it how easily people forget things. All the  "total garbage" about Iginla is beyond stupid. Do they not use their brain, to think of anything as to possible reasons why a certain player may not be playing up to his full potential. The guy was playing great & actually passed Lucic in the goal scoring dept. But, I guess he's not allowed to have time to heal like if it was Chara, or Bergeron, or Campbell. The guys a warrior & the 2 week break will be perfect for him. This is the possibility of what Iginla's problem maybe. This is a surgeron's explanation of a dislocated finger! Dumasses!

    It depends upon the nature of your injury. A simple dislocation that is put back in place within a few hours will usually heal well, but it may take 8-10 weeks to regain full motion. If your finger is dislocated (i.e., the joint is not aligned properly) for four weeks, that is a much more complicated problem. You should see a hand surgeon to find out your options and prognosis. 


    So, he may need surgery in the off-season. Obvisiously, it's bothering him. He hasn't had a fighting major since it's happed & he hasn't been shooting the puck by leading off with his wrong foot. Which is his meal ticket & that may have an affect on the amount of pressure that also goes into his hands when shooting the puck from this position.

     
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    Agreed but it just might be in the 2014-15 season.  I am an Eriksson fan, but two concussions does cloud the offensive skills primarily close near the net.  

     

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    I dont see Eriksson on the 3rd line as a permanent thing. Just coming back from injury, Smith was hot etc... Eriksson will be back on 2nd line sooner rather than later.

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    Didn't bother Horton. If Loui goes unscathed between now & April? I think he'll be fine.

     
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    I dont see Eriksson on the 3rd line as a permanent thing. Just coming back from injury, Smith was hot etc... Eriksson will be back on 2nd line sooner rather than later.

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    Not unless he starts playing significantly better and Smith's game goes south.If Ericsson can turn it on and play well in the playoffs all will be forgiven but thus far in the games he has played,he has not met expectations but Smith's rise has obviously taken some of the sting out of Ericsson's disappointment.

     
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    The one thing that peeves me off to no end it how easily people forget things. All the  "total garbage" about Iginla is beyond stupid. Do they not use their brain, to think of anything as to possible reasons why a certain player may not be playing up to his full potential. The guy was playing great & actually passed Lucic in the goal scoring dept. But, I guess he's not allowed to have time to heal like if it was Chara, or Bergeron, or Campbell. The guys a warrior & the 2 week break will be perfect for him. This is the possibility of what Iginla's problem maybe. This is a surgeron's explanation of a dislocated finger! Dumasses!

    It depends upon the nature of your injury. A simple dislocation that is put back in place within a few hours will usually heal well, but it may take 8-10 weeks to regain full motion. If your finger is dislocated (i.e., the joint is not aligned properly) for four weeks, that is a much more complicated problem. You should see a hand surgeon to find out your options and prognosis. 


    So, he may need surgery in the off-season. Obvisiously, it's bothering him. He hasn't had a fighting major since it's happed & he hasn't been shooting the puck by leading off with his wrong foot. Which is his meal ticket & that may have an affect on the amount of pressure that also goes into his hands when shooting the puck from this position.

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    It's his thinking that bothers me, not his shooting.

     
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    The one thing that peeves me off to no end it how easily people forget things. All the  "total garbage" about Iginla is beyond stupid. Do they not use their brain, to think of anything as to possible reasons why a certain player may not be playing up to his full potential. The guy was playing great & actually passed Lucic in the goal scoring dept. But, I guess he's not allowed to have time to heal like if it was Chara, or Bergeron, or Campbell. The guys a warrior & the 2 week break will be perfect for him. This is the possibility of what Iginla's problem maybe. This is a surgeron's explanation of a dislocated finger! Dumasses!

    It depends upon the nature of your injury. A simple dislocation that is put back in place within a few hours will usually heal well, but it may take 8-10 weeks to regain full motion. If your finger is dislocated (i.e., the joint is not aligned properly) for four weeks, that is a much more complicated problem. You should see a hand surgeon to find out your options and prognosis. 


    So, he may need surgery in the off-season. Obvisiously, it's bothering him. He hasn't had a fighting major since it's happed & he hasn't been shooting the puck by leading off with his wrong foot. Which is his meal ticket & that may have an affect on the amount of pressure that also goes into his hands when shooting the puck from this position.

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    if this is true, Boston is in trouble since we can't have him playing this way the rest of the season and playoffs.

     
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