Malcolm Subban Column

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    Malcolm Subban Column

     


     As per TSN:


    TORONTO - "Hey, what's it like to be PK Subban's brother?" For Malcolm Subban, a first round pick of the Boston Bruins in 2012, you wouldn't blame him if he'd had just about enough of that question by now. But he doesn't seem to mind.


    "I'm not sick of it but people are curious so they're going to ask questions," Malcolm Subban said after day three at BioSteel Camp in Toronto. "I've definitely heard it a few times."


    But Malcolm is quick to play down its significance. It's not a big deal to him. He's just older brother PK.


    "Honestly, it's whatever you want to make of it," Malcolm explained. "He's just my brother so it's not really different than having any other big brother to me."


    Malcolm understands its part of having a famous older sibling. But unlike some siblings, Malcolm is in a position to make a name of his own in the same field as his brother.


    Could the day soon be coming where PK gets asked, "What's it like to be Malcolm's brother?"


    "Yeah hopefully that happens sometime," laughed Malcolm, "but right now, it's probably the other way around for a little bit but we'll see."


    Coming off an excellent debut season in the American Hockey League with the Providence Bruins, posting a 15-10-5 record with a goals against average of 2.31 and a .920 save percentage in 33 games, Subban is hoping to make the jump to the NHL sooner than later.


    "I feel like I'm getting a lot closer," he said. "I feel like I'm pretty close right now. I'm really confident with how my season went last year."


    Niklas Svedberg figures to have the inside track on taking over the Boston Bruins' backup role behind Tuukka Rask which became empty after Chad Johnson departed as a free agent. Svedberg, too, was solid in the AHL last season in a starter's role with Providence and turned in an excellent effort in his lone NHL game to date, a 33-save performance in a Bruins 3-2 overtime win on January 2 against the Nashville Predators.


    Malcolm admitted he understands what the depth chart says but still intends on making it a tough decision for the Bruins come training camp in September.


    "I can only control what I can control and that's play well," Subban said. "If I don't play well, it makes the decision a lot easier."


    If he does end up returning to Providence for his second professional season, it will be in the starter's role: the next step on the path to the NHL after a strong showing as the backup.


    "Yeah obviously I'm pretty happy with how I did (last season)," Subban explained. "This year, it's a lot different being a back up to being in a starting role so that's what I'm looking forward to right now."


    Subban has, so far, proven himself to be a goaltender capable of taking jumps to the next level with ease. In his three full seasons in the Ontario Hockey League with the Belleville Bulls, his numbers improved each year. He didn't miss a beat in his first professional season last year, something he credits to his work in summer skates with players who have already reached the NHL level.


    "Going into the AHL, skating with pro guys during the summer helped a lot," Subban said. "The speed of the game in the AHL was a lot faster because guys aren't going 100 per cent in the summer but definitely getting familiar with the quality of releases (of shots) helped me a lot."


    When he does make the jump to the NHL, whether it is this coming season in spot duty or a couple of years down the road, the chance to go head to head against his brother PK multiple times during the season with the Bruins and the Montreal Canadiens both in the Atlantic Division is something Malcolm has let himself dream about.


    "It's pretty cool," said the Bruins prospect. "I've obviously thought about it since I got drafted by Boston. Hopefully we get to experience that sometime."


    When that time comes, Malcolm figures he already has the edge on his brother.


    "I know he's probably going to go high glove, I just have to keep that in mind," Subban laughed. "High glove or five hole, I don't see him going anywhere else."

     
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    Was a good pick and to this day....................... still a good pick.

     
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    I like Malcolm's statement about camp.

     
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    In response to -Chowda-'s comment:

    Was a good pick and to this day....................... still a good pick.



    Yeah, Arnesson and Pastrnak too!  Oh wait...we have no idea yet...

     
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    I'll agree that it's a good pick when he's an elite starting goalie for the B's or traded for Shea Weber or Alex Pietrangelo. Until then he's a just a good looking prospect.

     
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    Was a good pick and to this day....................... still a good pick.



    Over half the teams in the league don't have a high prospect goaltender waiting in the wings like the Bruins do. However, as much as I like the pick. I'm not sold on it until I see more evidence. Hannu Toiniven was supposed to be an elite goalie too. Next to d-men, goaltending is the hardest position to read whether they're the real deal. 

     
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    Was a good pick and to this day....................... still a good pick.



    More garbage from the King of Garbage.

     

     
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    More garbage from the King of Garbage.

     

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    The King of Garbage Chowda-doosh owns the King of Hypocrisy ( little man from Florida ) and his tongue bath followers.

     
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    In response to -Chowda-'s comment:


    Was a good pick and to this day....................... still a good pick.




    Over half the teams in the league don't have a high prospect goaltender waiting in the wings like the Bruins do. However, as much as I like the pick. I'm not sold on it until I see more evidence. Hannu Toiniven was supposed to be an elite goalie too. Next to d-men, goaltending is the hardest position to read whether they're the real deal. 




    And I'm sold on him being a 1st round draft pick who will one day be an NHL goaltender. What more does one want from a 1st round draft pick ? Statues outside of NHL buildings for everyone of them ?

    Why am I sold on him ? 

    Viewing exposure to me of course. And because I don't compare him to Toivunen, Ryabchikov or anyone else from the past. He is who he is ...........not a name from the past. 

    I have a different outlook on prospects then the pessimists. When I see progression I don't belittle the fact they're not NHL players yet as some do. I say progression..........fabulous. Subban ( and others ) by all reports are progressing. Not acknowledging this is dismissing the simple fact of players going through the developmental stage of their careers.

    P.S. It's a lot easier being impatient, negative and bashing prospects ( eg. B-D-C posters ) then it is in waiting for some of them to arrive in the NHL.

    Clueless pessimistic dummies. What a way to go through life with that type of thinking ! No thanks for me.

    And for those who don't appreciate this post........s...k it.

     
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    And I'm sold on him being a 1st round draft pick who will one day be an NHL goaltender. What more does one want from a 1st round draft pick ? Statues outside of NHL buildings for everyone of them ?

    Why am I sold on him ? 

    Viewing exposure to me of course. And because I don't compare him to Toivunen, Ryabchikov or anyone else from the past. He is who he is ...........not a name from the past. 

    I have a different outlook on prospects then the pessimists. When I see progression I don't belittle the fact they're not NHL players yet as some do. I say progression..........fabulous. Subban ( and others ) by all reports are progressing. Not acknowledging this is dismissing the simple fact of players going through the developmental stage of their careers.

    P.S. It's a lot easier being impatient, negative and bashing prospects ( eg. B-D-C posters ) then it is in waiting for some of them to arrive in the NHL.

    Clueless pessimistic dummies. What a way to go through life with that type of thinking ! No thanks for me.

    And for those who don't appreciate this post........s...k it.



    He may be an NHL goaltender.  He may be a star.  

    He won't be for the Bruins.

    Stupid pick.

     
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    He may be an NHL goaltender.  He may be a star.  

    He won't be for the Bruins.

    Stupid pick.

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    If he plays elsewhere the Bruins will most likely get something significant in return. 

    His current value is still greater then anyone not named Tanner Pearson in that draft after where Subban was picked. And down the road this will most likely change also.

    Picking lesser talent that most likely arrives the same time in the NHL doesn't make sense.

    Stupid pick ? You have your opinion................ but it deserves no respect.

     
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    If he plays elsewhere the Bruins will most likely get something significant in return. 

    His current value is still greater then anyone not named Tanner Pearson in that draft after where Subban was picked. And down the road this will most likely change also.

    Picking lesser talent that most likely arrives the same time in the NHL doesn't make sense.

    Stupid pick ? You have your opinion................ but it deserves no respect.



    Some see it one way, others see it another.  I don't think drafting the one position that won't be needed makes as much sense as drafting someone that could help the team.

    I'm not sure why you either cannot understand.

     

     
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    Some see it one way, others see it another.  I don't think drafting the one position that won't be needed makes as much sense as drafting someone that could help the team.


     


     I'm not sure why you either cannot understand.


     


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    Incorrect ! You see it as one way..........most others see it another way. 


    Saying that another goalie is not needed is an uneducated comment ( another no respect opinion ). 

    Injuries, back to back games and slumps makes two quality goalies a great option to have for any NHL team.

    I'm not sure why you don't understand that. The 2011 version of the cup winning Bruins had it with TT and Rask.

    Welcome NAS to 2014................. where one goalie doesn't play all regular season games. The days of Glenn Hall starting 502 games straight are a thing of the past.

    But of course you knew this with your 20 years of studying hockey. ( Still ranks as one of my favourite  " pumping your own tires " post by you to this day )

    P.S. Other then Pearson....................names please for players who would help from that draft. * crickets*

     
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    P.S. Other then Pearson....................names please for players who would help from that draft. * crickets*



    Players careers are not just based on their abilities.  Opportunities also play a factor.  It is unknown what may have happened to any player who may have come to the team.  It is clear, however, that Subban hasn't helped the team because he hasn't been needed.  

     
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    Some see it one way, others see it another.  I don't think drafting the one position that won't be needed makes as much sense as drafting someone that could help the team.

     

     

     

     I'm not sure why you either cannot understand.

     

     

     

     

     


    Incorrect ! You see it as one way..........most others see it another way. 


    Saying that another goalie is not needed is an uneducated comment ( another no respect opinion ). 

    Injuries, back to back games and slumps makes two quality goalies a great option to have for any NHL team.

    I'm not sure why you don't understand that. The 2011 version of the cup winning Bruins had it with TT and Rask.

    Welcome NAS to 2014................. where one goalie doesn't play all regular season games. The days of Glenn Hall starting 502 games straight are a thing of the past.

    But of course you knew this with your 20 years of studying hockey. ( Still ranks as one of my favourite  " pumping your own tires " post by you to this day )

    P.S. Other then Pearson....................names please for players who would help from that draft. * crickets*



    Funny you mention tandem goaltending in the same sentence as an irrelevant Glenn Hall reference. Tandem goaltending isn't worth it's salt in the salary cap era, and with a stud like Rask, that situation has never happened practically ever. Can you remember Patrick Roy's backup putting on a show? Me either.

     

    For Subban to get a big return (which, if you study trades, goaltending returns are a mixed bag for established stars) he would have to be showcased. That would hurt the Bruins when they have a top three goalie in Rask. Once again, the returns for ESTABLISHED STAR goalies are minimal. The best case scenario of a return is the Bernier deal. That's not what teams envision for a first round pick.

     

    The scenario you have in mind, where Subban plays thirty games to get a minor return is a fool's errand.

 
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    So what do we make of Subban?

    We all know NAS' feelings on drafting goalies in the first round. Chowdah likes the player, thinks he was worthy of a first round pick.

    I like the player, saw him 3 times last year, and the difference between him in November and March was incredible. November, extremely quick and raw, March extremely quick but much more polished. I personally think he is going to be a bona fide number one goalie in the NHL.

    But, I think the debate may be more of where he was picked than what his talents are. I personally think the B's went into the draft with their sights on getting goaltending depth after having to play Marty Turco while fighting for home ice in the playoffs down the stretch. I think they felt is it was a need in the organization. Problem is, you have one of the better young goalies in the game who is now locked up long term. So even if Subban plays, will it be enough of a sample size to get enough back in return for trading a first round pick? And lets face it, other teams know that if he isn't traded by the time his entry level deal expires, you almost have to deal him. Cant have two goalies taking up that much of your cap space.

    Be interesting to se how this plays out, but I think it's a good problem to have.

     

     




     
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    kel, (and the bloviator to some degree): I think there's plenty of time before the Cap starts to weigh on whether or not Subban was a good use of a first.  Cory Schneider was drafted 10 years ago and he's getting his first chance to be the undisputed #1 this year.  Until last year, he'd never played more than 33 games in a season, but he'd basically been in a tandem with Luongo for two years.  His second deal was a $900K 1-way deal.  He didn't see the kind of money that would affect the Cap in any meaningful way until his third deal.  I think that's what the Bruins anticipate with Subban.  So the only way that the Bruins need to worry about what to pay Subban for the next few years is if Rask goes down and he, like Schneider, steps in and shows that he has the chops to be an NHL #1.  And if that happens, there's your trade showcase for when Rask is back to 100% and you need to move him before he makes too much coin.

    Also worth remembering here is that Schneider was a #26 overall pick who returned a #8 overall when he was dealt.  Subban was #24 overall.  I'd be okay with the Bruins getting a top 6 pick in return for Subban in a couple of years.  I think that might help the franchise long term more than any of the players available later in that draft might have helped short term - even this year, I think the guys in the system would have a leg up on the guys who were available at that point, including Pearson.

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    Okay, fine.

    It's the World vs. NAS.

    Bring it on, suckers.

     
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    Okay, fine.

    It's the World vs. NAS.

    Bring it on, suckers.



    If I had to guess I would say he gets traded at one point, assuming Rask stays the course. Book compared his situation with Schneider, lots at play there with Luongos situation but for me he will be a good goalie on a good team so I'm not too concerned with his stock being low where the B's will not get enough in return.

     




     

     
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    Goalie trade returns are all over the place.  LA basically got a high second and a high third for Bernier...and turned Frattin into Gaborik, but you can't count on that kind of flow through every day!  Actually, when you look at it more closely, they basically traded Bernier for the pieces they assembled to get Gaborik - Frattin, a 2 and the Oilers' 3 they got by passing on Scrivens.

    Anyway, the return could be everything from Chiarelli waiving him because he promised to move him to a team where he could start (Bryzgalov in Anaheim) to a Schneider deal one for one high pick, to a Vesa Toskala deal where they get a first, second and third.  Who knows?  And it doesn't seem to matter much how good the guy actually is....

     

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    The thing about Subban is, he'll have to play NHL calibre games to see what he's got before some team will shell out a 1st round pick or a bevy of draft picks to get Malcolm. I don't see that happening in Boston,unless you are a pessimist and think Rask will get hurt. Even then, Svedberg might get in ahead of Subban. Bottom line is,Subban will likely get traded down the line,as i don't see him backing up Rask for the next 7 yrs,and the return will be anybodies guess. If they package him with Caron, it might up the bounty.

     

     

     

     

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     If they package him with Caron, it might up the bounty.




     Or lower it :)

     

     
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    And I'm sold on him being a 1st round draft pick who will one day be an NHL goaltender. What more does one want from a 1st round draft pick ? Statues outside of NHL buildings for everyone of them ?

    Why am I sold on him ? 

    Viewing exposure to me of course. And because I don't compare him to Toivunen, Ryabchikov or anyone else from the past. He is who he is ...........not a name from the past. 

    I have a different outlook on prospects then the pessimists. When I see progression I don't belittle the fact they're not NHL players yet as some do. I say progression..........fabulous. Subban ( and others ) by all reports are progressing. Not acknowledging this is dismissing the simple fact of players going through the developmental stage of their careers.

    P.S. It's a lot easier being impatient, negative and bashing prospects ( eg. B-D-C posters ) then it is in waiting for some of them to arrive in the NHL.

    Clueless pessimistic dummies. What a way to go through life with that type of thinking ! No thanks for me.

    And for those who don't appreciate this post........s...k it.


     


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    The problem Chowda, is that how do the Bruins sell him in order to be able to get the best possible deal? And I'm speaking in as a optimist here thinking that Subban will never play for the B's, because they have a healthy Rask. So, where will his value be as a 1st rounder? I don't necessarily agree with NAS as him calling it a "wasted pick", but I do see his point into why he thinks the percentage is higher of the pick being a waste, because they won't be able to use the player anyway, because the position is going to be filled for the next 10 seasons or more. And because Subban "most likely" will never be able to show his true worth. Now that Rask has shown he's capable of playing over 60 games. Where will & how do the Bruins get what Subban's worth will be? Will he end up being moved in a desperation play, because of a top six injury & the Bruins end up getting say a Mason Raymond type player? I think he's shown great progression & I "think" he will be a #1 goalie in the league, but I don't know that yet. This is just as same as back in 2010' when a lot of BDC peeps were so willing to get rid of TT. Well I was one of the few who refused to jump on that bandwagon, because I didn't know if Rask was going to be as good as everyone says he was. And I also wanted to see if he could bounce back after the way he & the Bruins went down against Philly. Rask also was progressing nicely up to that point too. And luckily enough he's turned out as advertised, but that doesn't mean Subban will. 

     
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    The problem Chowda, is that how do the Bruins sell him in order to be able to get the best possible deal? And I'm speaking in as a optimist here thinking that Subban will never play for the B's, because they have a healthy Rask. So, where will his value be as a 1st rounder? I don't necessarily agree with NAS as him calling it a "wasted pick", but I do see his point into why he thinks the percentage is higher of the pick being a waste, because they won't be able to use the player anyway, because the position is going to be filled for the next 10 seasons or more. And because Subban "most likely" will never be able to show his true worth. Now that Rask has shown he's capable of playing over 60 games. Where will & how do the Bruins get what Subban's worth will be? Will he end up being moved in a desperation play, because of a top six injury & the Bruins end up getting say a Mason Raymond type player? I think he's shown great progression & I "think" he will be a #1 goalie in the league, but I don't know that yet. This is just as same as back in 2010' when a lot of BDC peeps were so willing to get rid of TT. Well I was one of the few who refused to jump on that bandwagon, because I didn't know if Rask was going to be as good as everyone says he was. And I also wanted to see if he could bounce back after the way he & the Bruins went down against Philly. Rask also was progressing nicely up to that point too. And luckily enough he's turned out as advertised, but that doesn't mean Subban will. 



    I thought Rask was going to be a legit NHL goalie the first time I saw him.

    I'm pumping my own tires here, but keep in mind I thought the same thing about Toivonen and Raycroft.

    I think John Gibson and Jack Campbell are the next wave of great ones.




     

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    Incorrect ! You see it as one way..........most others see it another way. 


    Saying that another goalie is not needed is an uneducated comment ( another no respect opinion ). 

    Injuries, back to back games and slumps makes two quality goalies a great option to have for any NHL team.

    I'm not sure why you don't understand that. The 2011 version of the cup winning Bruins had it with TT and Rask.

    Welcome NAS to 2014................. where one goalie doesn't play all regular season games. The days of Glenn Hall starting 502 games straight are a thing of the past.

    But of course you knew this with your 20 years of studying hockey. ( Still ranks as one of my favourite  " pumping your own tires " post by you to this day )

    P.S. Other then Pearson....................names please for players who would help from that draft. * crickets*



    Yes, a backup goalie is needed.  Last year's backup goalie was ReachAround Johnson.  He played very well.  He didn't cost them a first round pick.  The year before it was Anton Khudobin.  He was great in that backup role.  A first round pick?  No.  A 7th round pick that they traded Lehtonen and Penner to get.

    Welcome, ChowChow, to hockey talk, where backup goalies aren't worth a first round pick.

     
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