Re: Most Wanted
posted at 9/24/2011 10:27 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Most Wanted
Posts like that are why he goes off and on my ignore list. Sometimes I swear he's the smartest troll in the history of trolls. Tough players do not equal dirty, malicious, career-ending players.
Posted by bigvig
if you read further you would have seen that was more for fletcher than anyone. And which tough players are you talking about that I named on the Bruins that werent involved in some cheap-hockey play. I said as an outsider looking at the Bruins.
Chara- You can dig into all the posts regarding that. I defended it as a hockey play. 80% of Canada and the hockey world thought there should be a suspension. I wasnt one of them.
Lucic- Constantly was giving one punch sucker type pops on non-fighters in the playoffs, also ran a guy from behind getting tossed. Yet when he was challenged by Laraque he was playing it smart. So he is tough when needed and doesnt answer the bell when the bully was challenged by someones big brother.
Horton- See Lucic. Horton actually did throw down and he shouldnt be on the list.
Ference- Hmmm. Let me see. I know there wasnt a suspension for hitting Halpren but his play was very similar to Steckle on Crosby. I know your coming and I anm bracing myself for it knowing you dont know I am there. Call it what you want. I call it for what I thought it was. The fact he flipped the Canadians crowd off is something made for the NFL or NBA and not really what I would want my son cheering for. NOW, I already defended Ference in a post just last week so I really don't feel the need to do it again.
Thorton- Constantly went after other teams top players(Kesler-Sedins etc etc). Wasnt ok for Laraque. Ok for Thorton. I got it.
Marchand- Last but not least. The little cheap shot rat that everyone loves. Its not ok for the Downies of this world to try and lure Chara into pen, but its more than fine for Marchand to stand and punch the MVP of the league numerous times. And Marchand was a dirt ball all year. Not once. But all year.
I will answer before you assume. Chara-Lucic-Thorton-Ference are not cheap-shot dirty hockey players but they definitely cross the line. Last time I checked most physical hockey players have to test the waters on each side. But ask most of the outside hockey world if they thought those guys crossed it and I would think especially in Montreal, Philly, TBay and Van would say yes. But ya know what. Its hockey not tiddlywinks. I say the exact same about their guys. And should we play Wash-NJ-NYR-Chicago in this yrs playoffs we will have a new list of guys. Just like we did when we played Buffalo last year. But how does that equate to an all dirty-career ending type player?
NOW, you obviously don't realize the pt i was making. Why are we crying about a list of guys that we so call have an issue with. I would hedge a bet that no team was in the media more than the Bruins with this type of stuff. I am asking honestly. What team had more negative media coverage b/c of questionable acts than the Bruins last year?
Anyway Big, as you are entitled to an opinion so am I. I could care less if I am on ignore by everyone in here. I say my peace, listen to others and fully admit when I believe I am wrong(case in pt Ference who I think deserves the "A"). Or contracts case in point AF/Bergie/Lucic. What about you? Ever admit you may be off base.
Lapierre/Avery and COOKE are my most wanted b/c they are terrible for the league.
Burrows bite was an idiotic move but our own Savy who is on the cup had one of those moments. Yes Burrows is a rat. But he is a hockey player first and the rat edge motivates similar to Marchand.
Rome hit was late. I played defense at a pretty high level and I can say that Scott Stevens made a career of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiDJ1y7cGIw
. Even the announcers said it was interference. As a little dude I wanted to be Scott Stevens. Scott Stevens wanted to hurt people. He bit Manson in a fight, he laid out more bodies than Wilt Chamberlain. Dirty or Warrior? My pt is I have a soft spot for dmen. Boychuk pasted guys with clean hits but he is known for running guys as well. eventually the timing is gonna be off. add the stanley cup finals and you have a emotionally charged guy trying to be a Scotty Stevens. Already said it was a late hit.
White- A grinder who is out to stir things up. Dirty career ending type? I dont think so.
Subban- I dont like how he hides and yaps. But he sure was gracious in defeat and is one heck of a hockey player. Again would it make sense for Subban who avg more ice than anyone in the series to be fighting?
Downie- Again, he has had numerous late disgusting hits, he has had dirty plays and really should be on the list with the other three. BUT I believe he is a very good hockey player that doesnt have his emotions in check as a young guy(kinda the grace period I gave Marchand this year although calling him out). Is what Downie does any different than what JR did or Mike Peca? I know each hit and play is different but just the hits.
I personally would take all these guys (White excluded) b/c I think they are good hockey players. If this makes me the greatest troll than crown me. I could care less. And for starters I was trying to get a rise outta Fletch.