Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

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    Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    Doughty has reportedly turned down an offer for 9 years averaging 6.8m per. When I first read of it, I thought he was crazy. Now that I see what Myers got, I'm not so sure. How much cash will this kid eventually sign for?
    http://thehockeywriters.com/drew-doughty-reportedly-rejects-kings-latest-offer-what-comes-next/
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    He turned down a $61M contract??? Doughty is good, but these guys are unreal. Greed is going to ruin the game. Get ready for another lockout
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    he probably wants a shorter term deal. i would too, if i were him i'd want 6.5 mill for four years, and then break the bank as an RFA. He'll be the best d man in the league by then, and maybe he wants to play in a better hockey market.
     
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    I have a feeling he is weighing himself against stamkos, and why not.. Drafted together 1-2 same age, and their is still a debate on who got a better player..
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    Myers 5.5
    Seidenberg and Ference together = 5.5
    Doughty wants Chara money

    Maybe Doughty and Myers are worth it to their teams (Interested to see what happens in LA), but huge gambles against future rewards IMO. I don't get Doughty wanting more than was offered, he's in a very good place with that team right now.

    It's one thing to spend money, its quite another to spend it wisely.

    ...Anyone have any gripes about Chiarelli's contract management now?
     
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    Some of these demands are truly unreal. Doughty has been offered a salary of $6.8 , which is the same as Kopitar, plus the GM will not go higher. What could be more absurd on the player's point of view?? he pockets 6.8 rather than 7.0; all of the difference would be gone in taxes, so why stress everyone ?? Cetrtainly any individual receiving $ 6.8 million per year can find a financial advisor that can maximize those numbers in deferred and investment selections. This is really getting ludicrous and driving up the ticket prices so that families can , no longer, enjoy going to a game together. The Devils demolished their salary structure , and team, with the $100+ million for Kovalchuck. Not good business decisions. Thanks again to Peter Chiarelli for establishing a structure, amazing to me, but, reasonable in this market.
     
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    Some of these demands are truly unreal. Doughty has been offered a salary of $6.8 , which is the same as Kopitar, plus the GM will not go higher. What could be more absurd on the player's point of view?? he pockets 6.8 rather than 7.0; all of the difference would be gone in taxes, so why stress everyone ?? Cetrtainly any individual receiving $ 6.8 million per year can find a financial advisor that can maximize those numbers in deferred and investment selections. This is really getting ludicrous and driving up the ticket prices so that families can , no longer, enjoy going to a game together. The Devils demolished their salary structure , and team, with the $100+ million for Kovalchuck. Not good business decisions. Thanks again to Peter Chiarelli for establishing a structure, amazing to me, but, reasonable in this market.
    Posted by bogie6


    Bogie,
    I would guess they are all over the place, if the contract buys doughty into free agency he is going to seek more, if it goes short term he will still want to be paid..  Stamkos got 8 for 5, Weber got 8.. Dought was runner up on the calder, runner up on the norris in his second year.. If he is signing any kind of long term deal hes going to want to be paid as a top defensemen, with potential still left..

    So its probably a conflict of term, and dollars, and how to match them up so everyone is happy.. But he should walk away the highest paid player on the kings..
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    personally, i find it nausiating to discuss how much money pro athletes/ actors-actresses/ ceo's get paid. it's utterly disgusting, considering over half of the people on this planet go to bed hungry each and every night. sorry for the downer, but hey, had to be said.
     
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    doughty is not a gamble. we've seen what he can do and he can be a top 3 defensemen in the league. I honestly think if he stays healthy he'll pile up Norris trophies. If hes smart, he'll take 6.5 for 4 years, get him to free agency, and get a huge contract that is well deserved
     
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    doughty is not a gamble. we've seen what he can do and he can be a top 3 defensemen in the league. I honestly think if he stays healthy he'll pile up Norris trophies. If hes smart, he'll take 6.5 for 4 years, get him to free agency, and get a huge contract that is well deserved
    Posted by bostonfan191646


    But here in lies the problem, LA may have no deisire in a "fair" deal that doesnt buy into free agency deeper then a year or two.. They may be offered 6.8 for a long term, or 5 for 2 years so they can negoiate again before he is a UFA.. Its not like we can just say heres 4 years for 6.5 LA must have offered you that so take it..
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    I agree that their salaries are silly in relation to what they contribute to society, but if you don't want to discuss athlete salaries in a league where how good a team you can build is directly related to how you manage your salary cap, you are in the wrong forum.

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    personally, i find it nausiating to discuss how much money pro athletes/ actors-actresses/ ceo's get paid. it's utterly disgusting, considering over half of the people on this planet go to bed hungry each and every night. sorry for the downer, but hey, had to be said.
    Posted by adkbeesfan

     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    From what I have seen of both, I would rather have Myers.  He's a special talent.  Doughty is really good but regressed a bit last year and was weak in the playoffs. He has tremendous talent but his mental game is not yet at the level of consistent dominance of players like Chara, Weber and Lidstrom. He would need to show me a couple years of improved play before I would say he deserves to break that $7 barrier. Myers at 5.5 is a great signing. Doughty should take the 6.8.
     
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    From what I have seen of both, I would rather have Myers.  He's a special talent.  Doughty is really good but regressed a bit last year and was weak in the playoffs. He has tremendous talent but his mental game is not yet at the level of consistent dominance of players like Chara, Weber and Lidstrom. He would need to show me a couple years of improved play before I would say he deserves to break that $7 barrier. Myers at 5.5 is a great signing. Doughty should take the 6.8.
    Posted by OatesCam



    Doughty is better physically.. just google doughty and hit.. And he did regress this year, but give the kid from room for growing pains, he regressed in the same manner that stamkos did.. At 20 he was a norris finalist with 60 points, this season he had only "40 points"  and finished in the top 10 in norris voting, not a finalist..He's also Younger then anyone else who was in the top 10..
     
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    personally, i find it nausiating to discuss how much money pro athletes/ actors-actresses/ ceo's get paid. it's utterly disgusting, considering over half of the people on this planet go to bed hungry each and every night. sorry for the downer, but hey, had to be said.
    Posted by adkbeesfan


    Actually no, it didnt have to be said.

    Pro athletes/entertainers etc are employed in multi-billion dollar industries.

    Their "contribution to society" has zero to do with what their value is regarding compensation, and even less to do with hungry people.

    If you want to connect 2 ridiculously unrelated topics to complain about wealth inequity, go to a political site and promote Socialism.  Otherwise, 20 year old hockey players making $6+ million dollars a year is the norm in this discussion.
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    Dougherty will want a short term deal with the numbers around 7m a year.  The Kings are trying to lock him longer as their team is developing a strong youthful core in order to grow the stronger team.  Dougherty will sign but my guess it will be a three year deal.  Certainly if the Kings do not gel in three years, he can walk away to a richer contract? at the age of 23.  I have been wrong before and probably still will be with this guess work.  
     
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    I'd love to have the player in Boston, but am thrilled that the B's don't have the problem.

    He'll probably end up leaving LA and winning a Cup elsewhere, which will be another fine example for not drafting defensemen in the first round.
     
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    I'd love to have the player in Boston, but am thrilled that the B's don't have the problem. He'll probably end up leaving LA and winning a Cup elsewhere, which will be another fine example for not drafting defensemen in the first round.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot

    I don't know how a kid who came into the league and blew the doors off as a teenager can be viewed as a solid example. Worst case scenario, they end up moving him for what's sure to be a king's ransom(bad pun I know). Either that or they might lock him in long term at 8 or higher. Who knows? I just don't think this is a problem that pertains to him being a D as much as it's a problem stemming from a young player way exceeding expectations. How is it that much different than Stamkos?
     
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    I have a feeling he is weighing himself against stamkos, and why not.. Drafted together 1-2 same age, and their is still a debate on who got a better player.Posted by rolerhoky19


    With whom is there a debate on who got the better player ? Doughty is going to be great and is a stud but there is no debate with me, Stamkos didn't have a 20 point drop in points output. So far I say Tampa picked the right guy...
     
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    In Response to Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty? : With whom is there a debate on who got the better player ? Doughty is going to be great and is a stud but there is no debate with me, Stamkos didn't have a 20 point drop in points output. So far I say Tampa picked the right guy...
    Posted by SanDogBrewin



    I agree.  And Doughty conditioning has been mentioned before.  If I had to take one I likely take the 50 goal guy simply for the fact they are hard to come by.  Doughty wants 7 per.  He likely will get it.  If I am LA I would withdraw the offer and let him sit the entire year.  I know its likely GM suicide but I like what Garth Snow is doing with Bailey.  7 days or sit the year. 
    Myers at 5.5 isnt bad at all.  48 pts as a rookie and is a massive body who has excellent skating ability and in my eyes could be better than Drew.  Drew has that extra flare for sure but the difference isnt that glaring. 
    I would rather Myers at 5.5 than Drew at 7+ i know that much.  Especially as a GM
     
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    Re: Myers At 5.5m-How Much For Doughty?

    I'm not as sold on Myers as you guys are. I think he is a little overrated.  Good skater for his size, okay shot, okay in his end but too soft and too passive. Needs to learn how to utilize his size and reach more. He'll get better,  both are young but I think Doughty's ceiling is much higher. I also think Doughty's asking price is a little too high, he'll be worth that and have people lining it up to give it to him in a few years, just not now.
     
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    I'm not as sold on Myers as you guys are. I think he is a little overrated.  Good skater for his size, okay shot, okay in his end but too soft and too passive. Needs to learn how to utilize his size and reach more. He'll get better,  both are young but I think Doughty's ceiling is much higher. I also think Doughty's asking price is a little too high, he'll be worth that and have people lining it up to give it to him in a few years, just not now.
    Posted by kelvana33


    Learning to play Defense in the NHL is hard enough.  Try as a teenager and still walk into the league and dominate on a lot of nights.  Everything you said is correct.  But look at his game compared to Chara's at the same age.  Myers skating fo his size is outstanding.  He is smooth and fast.  He will learn positioning but his ceiling I think is higher for all the reasons you used against him.  Again, would you rather Drew at 7+ and not a huge upgrade at the moment.  Or Myers with massive size and upside and at 5.5. 
    I love Drews game.  But I am also very high on Myers who hasnt had the supporting cast on the back end like Drew did.  Until this year.  Partner him with Regehr(my new boy toy) and they become one of the best shut down units in hockey
     
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    Sorry; but in the 10' Oylmpics Drew was Canada's best d-man going up against  the worlds best. It wasn't Tyler Myers; or Linstrom who stood out! Doughty already is in an elite class. I think he's proven that already at an early age. However; after saying that. I don't think he deserves over 6.8. Maybe if he won a few Norris Trophies. I still don't see Myers in Doughty's class. Not yet anyway. IMO I rank the d-men as follows. 1) Chara 2) Weber 3) Yandle 4) Doughty 5)Linstrom.
     
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    Good points Shupe, I think he'll level off while Doughty will continue to get better. Myers is good, don't get me wrong but i don't think he'll ever be in the elite.

    Nite, man I love lists, and I agree with your 5 selections (wheres P.K!!!!!!!!!) but for me, if I have to win 1 game tonight, I'm taking Lidstrom..totally agree with your assesment of Doughty's performance in the Olympics, all that talent on one sheet and he stood out, and in both ends..I'm interested to see what Letang does this year, I thought he was a good d-man going into last year but his second half, especially with those injuries his level of play conitued to rise. Does it continue? Not sure, but  like I said, I'm interested to see what he does this year.
     
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    I'm not as sold on Myers as you guys are. I think he is a little overrated.  Good skater for his size, okay shot, okay in his end but too soft and too passive. Needs to learn how to utilize his size and reach more. He'll get better,  both are young but I think Doughty's ceiling is much higher. I also think Doughty's asking price is a little too high, he'll be worth that and have people lining it up to give it to him in a few years, just not now.
    Posted by kelvana33


    I think he's a lot overrated.  They're treating him (and paying him) like the next Chara, but I haven't see it yet.  Buffalo is going a lot of "pay it forward" right now...and I love it.  They have spent a tremendous amount of money and haven't gotten all that much better.
     
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    Sorry; but in the 10' Oylmpics Drew was Canada's best d-man going up against  the worlds best. [...] I still don't see Myers in Doughty's class. Not yet anyway.  Posted by nitemare-38


    nite's pretty much got this one.  Doughty is a world class player now - not a question of potential, but right now.  Myers simply isn't.  People hold Doughty's point drop off against him, but don't mention a similar drop out of Myers.  They don't mention Doughty had a nagging knee problem either (though injuries are injuries and boo boos are boo boos, buttercup).  Myers has been targetted in two playoff years, and he's been invisible because of it - better this year in terms of points, but not really in terms of overall performance.  Against Boston as a rookie, he was shut down.

    Tell me, based on all the players who've come in big but soft, how many players "develop" a physical edge at the pro level?  And of that very small subset, how many manage to develop a physical edge and continue to play high-end skill games?  Just because Myers is big doesn't mean he'll ever be a physical presence.  Doughty's built like Bourque, not tall but heavy and solid.  He's proven his skating will let him dominate in world level games.  He has a superb shot.  The kid is dynamite.

    I think Doughty and Stamkos is a wash at this point.  And that means, for me, you take the defenseman over the forward every day and twice on Sunday. 
     
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