Need for speed and skill

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    In response to StanleyCuptotheBruinsin2011's comment:
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    This probably the funniest thread I've ever seen ....I've been yelling all year long to dump ST and recall Spooner and someone comes up with this idea ...we need speed and skill ....dont worry we have plenty of both with Shawn Thornton....

     Stanley Cup to the BRUINS in 2011 & 3 more Cups by 2020

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    I rest my case.  Since losing to Montreal, many here are starting to talk as foolishly as you. 

     
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    Weaver (former Panther!) could have been the difference maker. 

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    I'm pretty sure that if PC acquired Weaver at the deadline that not many Bruins fans would have been jumping up and down, excited, with these same thoughts.

     
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    I don't see how anyone could point to  "A" difference maker.  Based on the results, PC needed to pick up a PMD, a responsible stay at home D.  A couple goal scorers, at least 1 PK specialist(probably 3), and a PP specialist.  And that isn't including all these "speedtsters" that need to be acquired before this team is any good again.

    Not much middle ground on this one folks.  Either the B's are fekin terrible(by Cup contender standards), or they just didn't play nearly as well as they can.

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    Jeez, you act as if they got blown out 10-0 for four games straight.

    Take Mike Weaver's shot blocking and disruption tactics off Montreal and put those tactics on Boston while sitting Bartkowski and my crystal ball (which apparently allows me to go back in time, make changes, then look forward, then return here to report) says the final outcome would have been different.

     
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    I'd like to think the Bruins have enough speed and skill, but you can always try to improve the team. However, I know that the B's need to show their speed and skill every game (especially in the playoffs) right from the start, not just at 40 minutes into the game or even later. That, in my opinion, is the Bruins' biggest problem.

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    Weaver (former Panther!) could have been the difference maker. 

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    I'm pretty sure that if PC acquired Weaver at the deadline that not many Bruins fans would have been jumping up and down, excited, with these same thoughts.

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    I'm 100% sure you're correct.  After the fact, however, if one considers the role Weaver played for Montreal and the disaster that was Bartkowski, I think they would have agreed.

     
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    I'm 100% sure you're correct.  After the fact, however, if one considers the role Weaver played for Montreal and the disaster that was Bartkowski, I think they would have agreed.

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    The importance of this Weaver-Bartkowski comparison you're implying is getting blown way out of proportion with regards to how the series was won or lost. 


     
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    The importance of this Weaver-Bartkowski comparison you're implying is getting blown way out of proportion with regards to how the series was won or lost. 

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    That's okay.  I'm not giving testimony in front of the Supreme Court.  It's just BDC.

     
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    I don't see how anyone could point to  "A" difference maker.  Based on the results, PC needed to pick up a PMD, a responsible stay at home D.  A couple goal scorers, at least 1 PK specialist(probably 3), and a PP specialist.  And that isn't including all these "speedtsters" that need to be acquired before this team is any good again.

    Not much middle ground on this one folks.  Either the B's are fekin terrible(by Cup contender standards), or they just didn't play nearly as well as they can.

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    Jeez, you act as if they got blown out 10-0 for four games straight.

    Take Mike Weaver's shot blocking and disruption tactics off Montreal and put those tactics on Boston while sitting Bartkowski and my crystal ball (which apparently allows me to go back in time, make changes, then look forward, then return here to report) says the final outcome would have been different.

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    No I'm not.  I'm just refusing to grasp a straw, so I can lay blame on someone, or something......pointing out the fact that there are several area's where the Bruins played beneath themselves.

    Losing to the Habs, unquestionably was the result of all of them. 

    There was no glaring weakness, there were many.  Those are concrete examples above.  And there are more.  When we look at those, instead of clichés, like speed, and age and finesse, we can have more productive discussions.  

      In spite of all these problems that crept into their game, it was still up in the air til late in game 7.  That shows how good this team really is, not how bad it is..

    Maybe we can have an interesting debate about "the biggest reason" they lost.

     
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    PC brought in Horton, Kelly, Peverley, Kaberle and Hnidy. Marchand took Wheeler's minutes, McQuaid stepped right into Stuart's role. You had a great right-handed shot for Krejci, Peverley gave the 3rd line speed (there's that sexy word) and Kelly gave the Bruins defensive center depth along with his best offensive season. Hnidy gave depth for injury and Kaberle did his job distributing the puck but not much else.

    2011 Stanley Cup

    2012-2014 Corvo, Mottau, Rolston, Turco, Zanon, Daugavins, Pandawful, Redden, Meszaros and Potter.

    Bunch of Palookaville stiffs!

     

    Playoffs: Reilly Smith > Tyler Seguin

     
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    PC brought in Horton, Kelly, Peverley, Kaberle and Hnidy. Marchand took Wheeler's minutes, McQuaid stepped right into Stuart's role. You had a great right-handed shot for Krejci, Peverley gave the 3rd line speed (there's that sexy word) and Kelly gave the Bruins defensive center depth along with his best offensive season. Hnidy gave depth for injury and Kaberle did his job distributing the puck but not much else.

    2011 Stanley Cup

    2012-2014 Corvo, Mottau, Rolston, Turco, Zanon, Daugavins, Pandawful, Redden, Meszaros and Potter.

    Bunch of Palookaville stiffs!

     

    Playoffs: Reilly Smith > Tyler Seguin

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    Don't forget jagr

     
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    PC brought in Horton, Kelly, Peverley, Kaberle and Hnidy. Marchand took Wheeler's minutes, McQuaid stepped right into Stuart's role. You had a great right-handed shot for Krejci, Peverley gave the 3rd line speed (there's that sexy word) and Kelly gave the Bruins defensive center depth along with his best offensive season. Hnidy gave depth for injury and Kaberle did his job distributing the puck but not much else.

    2011 Stanley Cup

    2012-2014 Corvo, Mottau, Rolston, Turco, Zanon, Daugavins, Pandawful, Redden, Meszaros and Potter.

    Bunch of Palookaville stiffs!

     

    Playoffs: Reilly Smith > Tyler Seguin

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    I actually thought Redden was pretty good while he was here.




     

     
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    Bs probably do need a bit more speed but who are they going to dump and acquire to facilitate that? And will it really make that much a difference?

     

     
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    PC brought in Horton, Kelly, Peverley, Kaberle and Hnidy. Marchand took Wheeler's minutes, McQuaid stepped right into Stuart's role. You had a great right-handed shot for Krejci, Peverley gave the 3rd line speed (there's that sexy word) and Kelly gave the Bruins defensive center depth along with his best offensive season. Hnidy gave depth for injury and Kaberle did his job distributing the puck but not much else.

    2011 Stanley Cup

    2012-2014 Corvo, Mottau, Rolston, Turco, Zanon, Daugavins, Pandawful, Redden, Meszaros and Potter.

    Bunch of Palookaville stiffs!

     Playoffs: Reilly Smith > Tyler Seguin

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    The problem is, everyone seems to think this is like going to Shaw's for a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread. Why didn't the GM "go get" a snipah, PMD, etc??? It's just not that simple, ever. In order to get the X you want, another team has to have X and also want the Y you're offering. Then there's the whole near term vs long term thing, the salary cap, team chemistry, etc.

    In addition to that, in 2011 you didn't have a Stanley Cup contender. Even after all the "homerun" upgrades that season, most experts picked the B's to lose in the 2nd or 3rd round. You have a lot more freedom, I think, going into the trade deadline when you assess yourselves as a playoff team, not a SCF lock. You're more willing with a 2011-like team to risk team chemistry and make bigger-impact moves, than you would be with a 2014-like team that (at the time of the trade deadline) was in second place in the Conference (behind the Pens) and was playing well (and had the second-lowest goals against in the NHL).

    The Bruins got what they felt they needed at the time in 2011 - and let's not pretend that Kaberle wasn't the big move, and nearly everyone wanted to run him out of town after a few weeks because he was almost a total flop. Peverly and Kelly ended up panning out much better than anticipated at the time, and Hnidy didn't give the B's much more than Mez did this season.

    The Bruins got what they felt they needed in 2014 as well, based on how the young D was performing at the time and the desire to NOT blow things up and sacrifice what looks like a really nice, young core of defensemen.

    Again, if the B's make one less mistake (Miller, Bart) in one game vs. the Habs, we're all sitting here after a sweep of the Rangers (warning, sarcasm alert) saying what a genius PC was for not moving any of the core out for a rental.

     
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    OK.  So, it was all about shot blocking. Great.  Let's see how the Bruins adjust to shot blocking next season.   Keep the same roster.  I'm getting my popcorn.  Obviously, the Habs were doing it from GAme 1 and the Bs never figured out how to adjust. 

    Now, the Rags seem to be doing a better job of working around that.  Their problem is that their "King" was a sieve on Tuesday.

     
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    In response to socca10's comment:[QUOTE] Peverly and Kelly ended up panning out much better than anticipated at the time, and Hnidy didn't give the B's much more than Mez did this season. [/QUOTE]


    Horton, Peveley and Kelly were brought in due to good scouting. Hnidy was insurance as mentioned, Mezsaros was brought in to start and play minutes. Huge difference between the two defenders.

    "team chemistry'

    Another misnomer. If a player can put the puck in the back of the net or replace Seidenberg's "big minutes" then I don't care if he is a loner or doesn't have tea n crumpets with his teammates every day before or after practice.

     
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    NHL Coverage after NYR elimination of Habs=

    Speed speed speed speed Lundqvist speed speed speed...

    Yikes.

     

     







     
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    In response to socca10's comment:[QUOTE] Peverly and Kelly ended up panning out much better than anticipated at the time, and Hnidy didn't give the B's much more than Mez did this season. [/QUOTE]

    Horton, Peveley and Kelly were brought in due to good scouting. Hnidy was insurance as mentioned, Mezsaros was brought in to start and play minutes. Huge difference between the two defenders.

    "team chemistry'

    Another misnomer. If a player can put the puck in the back of the net or replace Seidenberg's "big minutes" then I don't care if he is a loner or doesn't have tea n crumpets with his teammates every day before or after practice.

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    Horton was acquired over the summer, let's leave him out of the discussion. Everyone the team has brought in was brought in by "scouting." The B's allegedly had a bigger deal to make that fell through, and so they stuck with "depth" because they had a very good team that was playing well at the time. Why would you blow up something that was going so well just to get a shiny? That's the Felger approach... get the "big name" regardless of how they might fit on your team or what it might cost you, just get the shiny by God!!

    And if you think "chemistry" - aka, how all the pieces fit together and play with one another - doesn't matter, then I'd guess you've never participated in a team sport. If "talent" was all that mattered, the Sharks and Pens would have had 5 Cups apiece over the past decade, the Canucks would have swept the Bruins in 2011, and the Habs would be crying over the Bruins' return to the SCF today.

    Everyone wants the silver bullet and to blame THAT THING (or person) but the fact is, stuff happens and they barely lost to a team that over-achieved while the B's under-achieved over a 7-game series.

     
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    In response to socca10's comment:[/QUOTE] Horton was acquired over the summer, let's leave him out of the discussion. Why would you blow up something that was going so well just to get a shiny?


    And if you think "chemistry" - aka, how all the pieces fit together and play with one another - doesn't matter, then I'd guess you've never participated in a team sport. If "talent" was all that mattered, the Sharks and Pens would have had 5 Cups apiece over the past decade, the Canucks would have swept the Bruins in 2011, and the Habs would be crying over the Bruins' return to the SCF today.


    stuff happens  [/QUOTE]


    Horton was part of the team makeover during the offseason, he is part of the discussion. Never mentioned blowing the team up - stop exaggerating.


    The Canuckleheads, Sharks and Pens haven't won 5 cups because they didn't have enough talent n skill all the way through there lineup and lousy goaltending. Chemistry had nothing with the 2011 SCF, it was because of talent and execution.


    You can have all the merry team dinners all you want but if you don't execute and have talent you aren't going anywhere. Since you mentioned Felgar you will probably never get "25 teammates, 25 cabs" out of your head and that's too bad. He stole that lame line from Shaughnessy who stole it from McDonough.


    I saw Horton and Lucic argue all the time on the bench, what terrible chemistry. Gehrig and Ruth never spoke - 27' New York Yankees "murder's row", greatest baseball team ever assembled...what awful chemistry.


     


    You know zilch about team sports!


     


    PS. the new lame tag line on BDC..."stuff happens" LoL

     
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    NHL Coverage after NYR elimination of Habs=

    Speed speed speed speed Lundqvist speed speed speed...

    Yikes.

     

     







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    Your right on that. Rangers were flying from the get go last night. Plenty of speed and quickness from their forwards. They just wore the Habs down. If Bruins brass or fans don't see this then they're blind.

     
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    Still talking to yourself I see. That is pathetic...but not as bad as your hockey knowledge.

    Who doesn't know that Seidenberg and Horton made the Bruins a better team.

     
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    ...and NBC tonight... Rangers "4 lines of" speed, Chicago's speed, LA's speed... clearly that is the buzzword of 2014.







     
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    "Speed" is the new "heavy".

     
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    "Speed" is the new "heavy".

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    the new black?

     

     

     

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