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    ergoetal...why do that? ryder has played quite well with these new guys- at least he's "trying" to play both ends of the ice recently. i do agree seguins play has been improved lately,  but wasn't marchand able to score on this line(4th)? as a matter of fact, i could argue that the 4th line was the best bruin line last nite! how many times did you hear seguins name getting chances in the offensive zone? quite a few! i like all 4 lines at this point...its because of all 4 lines playing well they have won 6 in a row(a little help from tuukka certainly didn't hurt). the only way i see anything changing is if someone needs rest.  
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line : The second line has been playing great.  No need to mess with it.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    How many suggestions have there been to break up Marchand-Bergeron-Recchi.  None of them make sense.  The line is a going concern for other teams night in and night out.
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line : Last time I check PC was GM of the Bruins. That has everything to do with hockey.
    Posted by callodthedom19


    You know what he means.  Tell me this isn't a post you could level at 90% of the content on this board:

    "Someone tell Neely that he should fire PC and hire this guy!  He clearly knows so much more that the GM!"

    To be clear, I'm not here to pick sides, but this is starting to go Freddy Krueger: there's NAS and then there's the Dark NAS who feeds on fear and evil thoughts, and is largely given power by said evil thoughts.  Regular NAS may not be an angel, but who is?

    Or, more simply, a big chunk of the "NAS" that some people react to is itself a reaction to people singling him out. 
     
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    I took notice that Kelly wins draws which is a big help. Taking Rechhi away from the third line could be a chemistry mistake but like to see Seguin try RW for back to back ... Posted by boborielly224


    How about Seguin replacing Ryder and create a real speed line with Seguin deciding to shoot or pass (the point originally brought up by NAS). 

    Leave the second line as is, unless it becomes clear that Recchi can't keep up with the pace - to this point he's added much more to the success than he's detracted from it.

    Leave Thornton on the fourth line and leave him alone - the guy inspires vigorous play, if nothing else, and he works well with Campbell and whoever's with them ... Seguin, Paille, Ryder?
     
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    Roler, I'll take that stat with a grain of salt. Thornton does have career highs...blah blah blah, but has looked really awful the last month or so, I think we'd all agree on that. If skewed stats are the game, Thornton has one goal in his last 30 games. Paille has 2 in his last 5. I'm not a huge Stonehands fan, but I think he's a much better option at this point. I also subscribe to the keep speed with speed theory, that is why I hated when Rex was with Seguin.
    Posted by seobrien


    No doubt, But I think there is some focus at this point maybe to get seguin in there scoring some dirty goals, and you want him to be confident doing so.. That puts him on a line with thornton and campbell.. Go hard to the net, and don't worry about the consequences..

    Just a thought, but I think there is some merit to the idea, that he needs to know how to score the hard goals, not the pretty ones.. your consistant goal scorers score dirty goals down low.. this is the line to learn to do that on..
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line : No doubt, But I think there is some focus at this point maybe to get seguin in there scoring some dirty goals, and you want him to be confident doing so.. That puts him on a line with thornton and campbell.. Go hard to the net, and don't worry about the consequences.. Just a thought, but I think there is some merit to the idea, that he needs to know how to score the hard goals, not the pretty ones.. your consistant goal scorers score dirty goals down low.. this is the line to learn to do that on..
    Posted by rolerhoky19


    Take Horton for example.  He's been bashed to pieces on these boards but look at the two goals he's scored most recently - fairly important ones and directly from going hard to goal and getting in the dirty areas.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly, Roler.
    But switching Paille and Thornton wouldn't preclude Seguin from getting to the dirty areas (as Jack would say). I think Seguin is fine on the 4th line and his game has improved since being slotted there. But I've seen him in some good positions to get a shot or move to open ice, but the puck and/or his linemates aren't getting there. But that could happen on any line. I guess I'm just not high on thornton. I don't hate him, but would rather see Pie-ay.
     
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    Obrien,
    My only arguement is, Thornton on my line would give me more confidence crashing the net.. If CJ said, hey we want you to just go in hard, not think about things, get in those dirty areas and pot some pucks.. I would be a whole lote more confident doing so knowing Thornton has my back then Paille...

     
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    Before we get all excited about the lines, let's not lose sight of where the recent scoring has been coming from. During these 6 road wins, the Bruins have outscored their opposition 20-9 as follows:

    Krejci Line: 10 goals, 13 assists
    Bergeron Line: 5 goals, 6 assists
    Kelly Line: 2 goals, 2 assists
    Campbell Line: 2 goals, 3 assists

    The other goal came from the D.

    I agree they are looking good, but much like the power play, looking good and finishing are two different things. I have hope and trust in Kelly, Peverly and Kaberle and agree that they are flying everywhere and causing trouble for the other teams, but I don't think these line combos are a lock considering the scoring.

    I wouldn't go much longer than 6-7 more games with this output before thinking about mixing it up to get more balanced scoring, and that includes dropping Recchi down in favor of a Seguin or Ryder promotion. Everyone says to keep the Marchand-Bergeron-Recchi line together, but the truth is 3 of the 5 goals in these past 6 games have also been of the PP/EN variety and not a product of skating together. Their production is tapering off, and Recchi is looking slower and slower each game. LOVE his play, but it's the truth.

    Someone earlier thought of:

    Lucic-Krejci-Horton
    Marchand-Bergeron-Ryder
    Peverly-Kelly-Seguin
    Paille/Thornton-Campbell-Recchi

    These might be better suited for the playoffs and create more balanced offense while still looking pretty tough to score against. You can always bump up Campbell and Recchi to mix in before/after being short-handed to get them more ice time, and Paille is more valuable as a PK during the playoffs than Thorton would be overall.

    Then again, we're all just bystanders in this....and either way they're fun to watch and cheer for.
     
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    I'll buy that, Roler.
    Asmaha, Very good points. But for right now, I think the Ryder/Peverly/Kelly line is just fine. They won the Edmonton game, and like Kaberle on the PP, just need some more time to gel
     
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    Something that may fudge your numbers a bit asmaha - at least two of the goals that I can remember (one from Ryder, and last night from Horton) happened with non-standard linemates.  How did you count those?
     
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    I counted all goals and assists from the forwards. It's not exact, and agreed that the point about the Begeron line's scoring being non-traditional is something that can be said of some of the other goals as well. I guess the bigger point is that they truly do only have 2 goals as a unit the past 6 games, and the eye test sadly shows that Marchand and Bergeron are a step ahead of Recchi at this point. By no means do I feel CJ should break up the lines after just 6 games (5 with Peverly, actually). They all look solid, they really do.

    My point was rather that there are two theories:

    1. You create "style" lines (a skill/size line, speed line, tough defensively line, energy line)

    or

    2. Balance each with different types of players.

    I just think that the strength of the Bs is with depth, and maybe it's important for them to keep a close eye on production the next few weeks and not worry about trying a few things before the playoffs instead of thinking "this is it".
     
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    Recchi does seem to be the block to any playing with lines now.  I would be surprised if the next 19 games go by without any line tinkering (besides KHL, that stays together I think).  At some point the new guys will need time playing with other players than Ryder.  I don't think it is a good idea to have them trying to do that from scratch in the playoffs if there is an injury.
     
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    Interesting point on Campbell who for awhile this season would come out of the corners with the puck but no one would be in the slot set up for a shot. There was allot of talk (here) of trying Campbell on the third line but his play has slipped correct he is no disher right now.

    Seguin would be worth a look with his speed on the 3rd line but that would mean one thing that is not going to happen Ryder being demoted neither is Thornton not on Juliens watch way to loyal.

    Poor Tyler must salivate watching Kaberle's sweet passes get fumbled on the most recent 0-8 powerplay steak. Booming shots from Seguin after a nice feed from Tomas along the half wall. Too bad Julien has Seguin out in the hallway with Thornton during  powerplay meetings.

    Tyler stays, Ryder stays and No Mas for the PP.
     
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    SDB - Just had this image in my head of Seguin on the left wall of PP1 giving Kaberle the option to send it right or left for a good one timer - Chara with the mustard, Seguin chucking darts.  Drool.

     
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    I wonder about Julien's assistants not seeing this as well Book puzzling...
     
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    Coaching PP for Boston

    Houda 1PPG 561 nhl games
    Jarvis   4     964
    Julien   0      14

    3 coaches that never actually played on PP, were in their respective halls when PP was discussed, so they have no knowledge of it to bring forward, without Sav, we need someone to take it over on the team and Rec is too old now to be the catalyst.

    I hope Pev can become the playmaker and PP specialist, he looks like he can be. 15 of his 57goals have been on PP and 17 have been GWGs.  He is not Sav but maybe he can help and if he can get chemistry going with Ryd, we will become a serious contender with 3 lines serious threats.

    For Kab to be more succesful on PP, he is going to have to take a shot, passing to Z for all the one timers is not going to score as easily when the goalie just has to focus on Z's angle when he knows Kab is going to dish it.  Sj has similar prob when Joe only passes to Heatley instead of shooting, after a while it just becomes too obvious, and I am afraid that word has been out on Kab for awhile.
     
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    I'm still not impressed with Ryder's puck hog/lazy play, but with Peverly and Kelly out there, it's like a Heart Attack Line.  Those two don't stop skating.  They're everywhere.  This team has come a long way this season and an incredibly long way from just a few years ago. Unlike many corpse hockey games in the past, these games are fun to watch!  It's great to watch the opposition fumble with the puck and make terrible too quick passes because these guys are right in their faces almost immediately after they get the puck.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    the 3rd line had another solid game 2nite against Tampa. the forecheck on kampfer goal was critical,so much so that kluzak and milbury made at point to single out chris kelly and the job he did in the corner to keep the puck in. then they proceeded to point out how blake wheeler would have never done the same. games are more fun to watch. i thought 2nites game had a playoff type feel. the biggest point i wanted to make about the new 3rd line was the confidence julian has in them. when tampa pulled smith 2nite peverley,kelly and ryder really mudded the neutral zone. it seems those situations is when the bruins really get into shell on d and the opposing team just is all over thomas or tukka peppering them with shots trying to get a quick goal. like that game up in montreal when the bruins were up 2-0 and ended up losing in ot. it never came to that tonite thanks inpart to that 3rd line.
     
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    Everything is going fantastic. We're getting W after W. Why change anything?
     
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    Everything is going fantastic. We're getting W after W. Why change anything?
    Posted by btownbliss
    Thank you......why try and fix something that is not broken? The deadline is past and the bruins are winning. If they start to show signs that they are losing there mojo then shuffle things up, and not until then.
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line : Thank you......why try and fix something that is not broken? The deadline is past and the bruins are winning. If they start to show signs that they are losing there mojo then shuffle things up, and not until then.
    Posted by pauly1


    Where mojo?
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line : Thank you......why try and fix something that is not broken? The deadline is past and the bruins are winning. If they start to show signs that they are losing there mojo then shuffle things up, and not until then.
    Posted by pauly1


    Julien substituted Paille for Seguin. Does this not contsitute a change? Sometimes adjustments are needed to shore up a weakness despite winning. This type of tweaking ensures winning streaks....not ingoring nagging problems.

    The B's are still not scoring on the PP. This is a weakness which will eventually catch up to them if it is not improved. Ergo, perhaps another change is necessary....
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line : Julien substituted Paille for Seguin. Does this not contsitute a change? Sometimes adjustments are needed to shore up a weakness despite winning. This type of tweaking ensures winning streaks....not ingoring nagging problems. The B's are still not scoring on the PP. This is a weakness which will eventually catch up to them if it is not improved. Ergo, perhaps another change is necessary....
    Posted by jmwalters


    Hasn't caught up to them yet!
     
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    if by "caught up with them"....you mean lose, then YES you are right! they will lose maybe two or three or four times or(oh no!) 5 more times(reg. season)!!!!so...sit around and WAIT FOR THE BRUINS TO LOSE. then come back and say "i told you so"...this is what some of you live for
     
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    In Response to Re: New Third Line:
    In Response to Re: New Third Line : Julien substituted Paille for Seguin. Does this not contsitute a change? Sometimes adjustments are needed to shore up a weakness despite winning. This type of tweaking ensures winning streaks....not ingoring nagging problems. The B's are still not scoring on the PP. This is a weakness which will eventually catch up to them if it is not improved. Ergo, perhaps another change is necessary....
    Posted by jmwalters


    This is something I've disagreed with almost the entire season. If they have such a strong 5 on 5 goal differential and maintain a solid PK (better as of late but was weak for a bit there) then I really don't see how the lack of production on the PP will come back to bite them.
     
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