Re: NYI not tolling Thomas
posted at 5/31/2013 2:09 PM EDT
In response to Bookboy007's comment:
Call it twice shy, Shupe, by I think red has you when she brings up past examples. The roster disparity between the Czechs and the Canadians was greater than the difference between Canada and the other contenders today, and Hasek made that irrelevant (though it took a shootout). Richter did it at the World Cup. We've seen it many times...heck, even 1972...a great goalie can stymie the best of rosters.
Especially at a tournament like this. Crosby w/ Dupuis & Kunitz works because they have familiarity and each plays his own game. They can do that because they can all read off of one another. Put Crosby on a line with Lucic and Nash for a season. It would be like putting the current top line on some sort of steroid/nanotechnology mix - Nash a better version of Horton, and for all the respect I have for DK, Crosby a more dynamic and consistent superstar. And Fat playing like he has the last few weeks? Imagine what Crosby could do with all of the extra space and possessions he'd get with Fat on puck retrieval. Give them time to develop chemistry and then make sure you have a cooler beside your chair, 'cause you don't want to miss anything.
But throw those three together at the Olympics? I'm not sure the precision's there to really show what paper suggests. Just not enough time. Chemistry is far less of an issue for a goalie - yes, the D have to know his preferences etc, but a lights out goalie can be lights out with D he's never met before.
canada won in 2010 with one of the best goalie performances ive seen, maybe ever in Miller. Still lost. Canada's roster was void of stampkos and other high end scoring talent. It also had some crusty vets playing with drew who was awesome in that tourny. chemistry wasnt that much of an issue in 2010 was it? Our fwd group is better, more gifted offensively from both fwds and def.
and whats missing from the past was coaching in my opionion. How does gretzky not shoot? But thats for another thread. Those teams werent picked very well in my opinion. We have the best coach in hockey behind the bench. We have the best player in the world, our 2nd line center who likely will be toews is one of the best leaders/players in the game.
coaching- edge canada
fwds- edge canada in a landslide at both ends of the rink. Its disgusting how many fwds wont make it. No country has this issue.
Def- again. Its not close
goalie- i give usa a big edge here. Goalies i find are impossible to predict bc they are so hot and cold. Quick didnt dominate early, renne wasnt great, fleury rates high in the stats but hes terrible, price had an off year but his team was 2nd in the conf, smith was insane a few yrs back but had an off year, bryz is terrible but 2 yrs ago was one of the best. Girardi has more saves per year then king h. I find it impossible to predict what a goalie will do. Reds argument essentially confirms this.
So next year price could bounce back and be unreal again bc prior to last year he was in conversation as being one of the best.
What we do know is that crosby will be the best player in the world, toews will still be toews, bergie will still be the best two way fwd in hockey, stampkos will still be the best goal scorer over the past 5 yrs, drew, keith, shea, letang will all still be allstar dmen, pk and pietrangelo will continue to be improving.
I like our chances. More then 2010.