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    In response to Bookboy007's comment:

    He's significantly better this year than he was last year.  He's playing with better instincts.  His offensive ceiling is fairly high and we've seen evidence that he can contribute offensively at this level.  He's the right kind of physical for Julien's system.  Several times in a game where, with a half season of experience prior to this year, he was the third most experienced blueliner out there, he made extremely good physical plays to use his size and leverage guys off the puck in situations where losing that battle should have led to a good scoring chance, but winning it meant taking back possession.  His play on Steen just before the Roy breakaway was great - just an even better play by the NHL's second leading scorer to kick the puck up to Roy.  And you can bet Natasha and Malia Ann's college funds that Chara has been showing him how to use his reach more effectively because he's getting better and better at using his stick to disrupt plays.

    And he's a smart kid with good hockey sense and a sharp learning curve who is not legal to drink in most states yet.  He's going to get stronger, more comfortable with what he can do.

    Norris trophies?  No idea.  If they keep giving them to the highest scoring defenseman then no, probably not, for the same reason that no Bruin under Julien is going to win an Art Ross.  Crosby wouldn't win an Art Ross playing for Julien.  But you'd be silly to deal this kid for a 26 year-old third liner who, unlike Chris Kelly, has never scored 20 goals (which should make the sarcasm of your "why wait?" post obvious to most).

     



    Marc Savard continued with Boston where he had left off with Atlanta So did horton. CHARA has his best offensive year in Boston and won norris. I think we are putting to  much in julien system.  

     
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    In response to hangnail's comment:

    In response to shuperman's comment:

    Oshie is not better then marchand in any aspect of the game   Why do we need to include one of the most promising dmen in the league with it.  



    Marchand is starting slowly so he'll be included in all trade talk.  Then to sweeten the pot one of the young dman gets thrown in as well.  Get used to it!



    I doubt that Chia would be dumb enough to get rid of any of the young D.  I'd say they're here to stay, and I'm glad they are.

     
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    In response to Don-Bruino's comment:

    Now the two of you are backtracking. Although DaveyN, my mistake about you including Hamilton, you stated otherwise.

     

    Re: oshie

    posted at 11/22/2013 9:02 AM EST

    • DaveyN
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    Marchand and Hamilton for Oshie?

    Absolutely.

    I don't want to wait. There are short windows for teams to win multiple times.  I'd be thrilled if the B's won one or two more immediately.  Yeah, it may mean some years of bottom feeding, but whatever.  We spent 30 years being good enough to compete.  Blow it out, win it all.



    Replace hamilton with someone else and id do this in a heart beat for all the reasons you listed. I dont wanna wait another 3 or 4 years to win another one. I want the Bruins to win the Stanley Cup asap.



    Replace Hamilton?  Have you watched him this year?  He's everything the Bs could want in a D man, and he's just starting out.

     
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    Davey, they're in decent shape to compete for the Cup this season without a major lineup shakeup. Keeping Hamilton and the other yound D will ensure that they continue to be in shape for a Cup run for the foreseeable future. Going all or nothing on one season is a fool's gambit.

     
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    "Based on what?  He's tall.  He was drafted in a high slot. What else?" - 'Not-A-Shot'


    Oh, I dunno,  niggly little things like athleticsim, coachability,  talent...

    Jeez Dude, I thought you were being sarcastic when you bit so hard on this!

    I never took you for the cockamamie trade suggesting type. Hmm.

     
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    In response to Ergoetal's comment:

    In response to Don-Bruino's comment:

    Now the two of you are backtracking. Although DaveyN, my mistake about you including Hamilton, you stated otherwise.

     

    Re: oshie

    posted at 11/22/2013 9:02 AM EST

    • DaveyN
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    Marchand and Hamilton for Oshie?

    Absolutely.

    I don't want to wait. There are short windows for teams to win multiple times.  I'd be thrilled if the B's won one or two more immediately.  Yeah, it may mean some years of bottom feeding, but whatever.  We spent 30 years being good enough to compete.  Blow it out, win it all.



    Replace hamilton with someone else and id do this in a heart beat for all the reasons you listed. I dont wanna wait another 3 or 4 years to win another one. I want the Bruins to win the Stanley Cup asap.



    Replace Hamilton?  Have you watched him this year?  He's everything the Bs could want in a D man, and he's just starting out.


    Replace Hamilton in the trade, not on the team. jeez.

     
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    Also Davey, given the way the season is shaping up even getting out of the first round could be harder than ever - let's say the Bruins finish second in the conference, they could very well end up playing the 3rd place team in the first round - finishing first isn't much better as they could play 5th. Sacraficing the future to go for broke in one season could completely blow up in a team's face. The experts last year were almost all saying the Pens were for the Final and then they got swept. You never know what's going to happen, so you try to win today and plan to keep winning tomorrow.

     



     
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    In response to red75's comment:

    Davey, they're in decent shape to compete for the Cup this season without a major lineup shakeup. Keeping Hamilton and the other yound D will ensure that they continue to be in shape for a Cup run for the foreseeable future. Going all or nothing on one season is a fool's gambit.



    I just dont like what im seeing out of marchand. He doesnt even seem to be making an effort anymore. If we could trade him for someone that can score, hit, backcheck and at least make an effort, i would.

    When I said 'replace hamilton' i meant it in the trade scenario, not in the lineup. I love Hamilton, my wife got me a Hamilton jersey for my bday this year!

     
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    In response to DaveyN's comment:

     

    Replace Hamilton in the trade, not on the team. jeez.



    Ah, ok now that makes at least a little more sense.

     
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    In response to Neecic's comment:

    i'm trying to be realistic, not saying pull the trigger, but marchand for oshie straight up would get a laugh from the blues, even when marchand was playing well.  I wouldn't trade hamilton straight up for oshie but my guess is marchand and him would be what it takes.



    Better offensively- Marchand

    Better PK- Marchand

    Better clutch- Marchand

    Better speed- tie but likely marchand

    More physical- Oshie but he doesnt drive players bonkers like brad

    How is oshie better then brad?  I dont see it.  oshie has never cracked 20 goals.  He has 2 career playoff goals.  

     

     
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    This thread went off the rails in a hurry.

    Yeah, Oshie is a very good player. but then again there are a lot of very good players in the league. He's no Godsend

     
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    "This thread went off the rails in a hurry..." - 'seobrien'

    Some might suggest that it was never on (the rails)

     

     

     
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    In response to DaveyN's comment:

    In response to red75's comment:

    Davey, they're in decent shape to compete for the Cup this season without a major lineup shakeup. Keeping Hamilton and the other yound D will ensure that they continue to be in shape for a Cup run for the foreseeable future. Going all or nothing on one season is a fool's gambit.



    I just dont like what im seeing out of marchand. He doesnt even seem to be making an effort anymore. If we could trade him for someone that can score, hit, backcheck and at least make an effort, i would.

    When I said 'replace hamilton' i meant it in the trade scenario, not in the lineup. I love Hamilton, my wife got me a Hamilton jersey for my bday this year!



    I think you quit too fast on someone.  No way  I trade marchand for oshie. No fkn way.  Like I said I wouldn't mind oshie but not for marchand and why would  you want a guy who has not done well in playoffs . Many here wanted seguin out because of this now you want to bring one in - Why? 

     
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    In response to shuperman's comment:

    In response to Neecic's comment:

    i'm trying to be realistic, not saying pull the trigger, but marchand for oshie straight up would get a laugh from the blues, even when marchand was playing well.  I wouldn't trade hamilton straight up for oshie but my guess is marchand and him would be what it takes.



    Better offensively- Marchand

    Better PK- Marchand

    Better clutch- Marchand

    Better speed- tie but likely marchand

    More physical- Oshie but he doesnt drive players bonkers like brad

    How is oshie better then brad?  I dont see it.  oshie has never cracked 20 goals.  He has 2 career playoff goals.  

     



    Make no mistake brad plays smart physically when he has too. Marchand is definitely better then oshie No contest . 

     
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    In response to marco0863's comment:

    Marc Savard continued with Boston where he had left off with Atlanta So did horton. CHARA has his best offensive year in Boston and won norris. I think we are putting to  much in julien system.  



    Everyone wants to point to Savard as proof that there's nothing about Julien's system that keeps the players in Boston from racking up gaudy point totals.  And it's true to a degree: players who are strong on the PP can rack up top 10 or 15 points totals.  Savard had two seasons of point/game or better production under Julien.  His best year in Boston was under Dave Lewis, and even then the majority of his production was on the PP.  He had 49 PPP vs. 46 ESP.  The last full season, 5 Bruins had that many ESP or more: Marchand, Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci and Seguin.  In those two good years under Julien before the concussions, Savard had 45 and 56 ESP.  That 56 is the only number that trumps full seasons by any Bruins since.  So yes, Savard put up great numbers as a PP guru, but last full season, the top PP performer had 38 PPP. 

     
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    Meant to add that Chara had about an 18% boost in points that came with a different role on the PP vs. his days in Ottawa, and his best years have been split with years consistent with his previous Ottawa totals.  Horton's production declined slightly, and the expectation was that playing with better players in Boston would actually help elevate his totals.  In the final analysis, it probably did.  Under Julien, with Florida's talent, he might not have outscored Chris Bourque.

     
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    In response to gord11's comment:

    "This thread went off the rails in a hurry..." - 'seobrien'

    Some might suggest that it was never on (the rails)

     



    For the win

     
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    Marchand and Hamilton for Oshie?

    Absolutely.

    I don't want to wait. There are short windows for teams to win multiple times.  I'd be thrilled if the B's won one or two more immediately.  Yeah, it may mean some years of bottom feeding, but whatever.  We spent 30 years being good enough to compete.  Blow it out, win it all.



    So Oshie puts them over the top ?

    Based on what ? 

    He's American ? His 2 career playoff goals ? St. Louis' playoff record of winning 1 playoff series since he's been with them ? Or just because you think so ?

    Marchand and Hamilton for Oshie ? 

    Absolutely not. 

     
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    Chowdah, i'm pretty certain that NAS's post was meant in sarcasm.

     
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