Re: PC Presser
posted at 3/29/2013 12:54 PM EDT
In response to JWensink's comment:
In response to stevegm's comment:
In response to JWensink's comment:
Wow ..open minded indeed
Look, everything you guys are saying IS TURE - Based on two sucka$$ offers, it's obvious Iginla was going to Pitt and it was the players decision. Thats only true when you view the circumstances inside that vacuum of everything being equal - it shouldn't have been equal when the real possibility of that was in play, cause you were going to lose that battle everytime. Didn't anyone consider that a possibility? That's the real issue imo.
I believe if PC offered for example a 1st, krug and Caron - then Iginla never gets the Pitt offer, and he's dressing tomorrow in black and gold. PC went in on the cheap and tried to protect as many assests as he could, which is admirable in most deals - NOT THIS ONE. The fact is that Iginla is going to Pitt fro two college prospects and we offered to dump Matt Bartkowski into their laps to get the deal done. Wow, the Bruins offer was significantly better ? Give me a break - Who would want that ? Now the Pitt offer is on the table - and bang. What a shocker ! Jarome went to Pitt and we held onto Caron, Krug Bartkowski. That's a good job? OK- Different opinions are fine, and that's mine.
So you're saying the "KEY" is the fact that a better offer "wouldn't" have been discussed with Iginla, and that would have made all the difference? Do you really feel Feaster talked this over with Iginla as a mere courtesy? Isn't it more reasonable to assume he only figured that out after he gave the Bruins his word their deal was approved ?
You're hanging your hat on that one small piece of conjecture when there are several more that should point you in a different direction? Sure you're entitled to your opinion, but you should be open to changing it too.
If it wasn't common knowledge that Pittsburgh already decided the Bruins offer was good enough, and told them they had a deal, your theory would make a lot of sense. Knowing those 2 facts though, makes it incredibly far fetched. You present as fact, the pieces being offerred by Boston to be a joke, yet you refuse to understand the Penguins didn't see them that way at all. They saw them as ample return, and agreed on the deal. No one in pro hockey is arguing that, so it should be considered factual.
There's much more.
Do you realize just how demeaning it is to be Jay Feaster these days? These guys will go to pretty much any extreme to avoid looking as dumb as this guy does right now. You really think he figures he could have avoided that by merely "not discussing the deal with Jerome". If so, why did he do it in the first place. That would make him even dumber than he is now.
And there's the whole "sweepstakes" process. If the Bruins woulda/coulda offerred up more, so would have the Penguins. So would have anyone else. Even a terrible GM would be hard pressed to screw up that option. The only reason that option wasn't excercised, was because it wasn't available. That's pretty clear.
Iginla didn't have to be dealt in the middle of the night Thursday for a group of players you consider junk(me too). The reason that happened is obvious. Feaster had no other options. It was Pittsburgh or nowhere, otherwise he'd of got back on the phone and said something like, "sorry Pete, I know I said we have a deal, but I got a better one, and ownership trumped me,,if you want him ya got to do better". After that call, Feaster would dial any other interested party to keep things going. Sure, that's greasy, but less greasy than what he ultimately did.
Listen we disagree on the deciding factors, and I'm not changing my mind. I appreciate the discussion, but we're at a dead end with this. I think the offer had an impact on the decision, and you're basically saying it didn't matter what so ever, which I feel is a naive viewpoint.
Do you believe that no matter what Boston offered that He was going to Pitt regardless ?
If the answer is no, as I believe - then the question becomes why wasn't the best offer made ?
And please don't tell me that any offer including Matt Bartkowski was significantly better than a bag of pucks-
You're going down a slippery road from a discussion perspective. If you're not open to changing your mind, what are you doing here? Just re-reading your own posts? I've offered up many reasons for my position, and the only thing you can do is post around them and sling mud.
Please explain what you think would have been different if Boston had included 2 more decent prospects, or whatever it is you're suggesting. Please explain why that would have made Feaster more secretive. Please explain how that would've motivated Iginla or how that would have kept the Crosby stuff in the dark.
As far as why the best offer wasn't made, I don't know where to start. It was the best offer. It was accepted by the Flames. Calgary didn't turn it down, Iginla did. Unless the Flames could provide some under the table incentive for Iginla to accept Boston(which is highly illegal) in the event PC was prepared to include Seguin, what difference would that make to Iginla. Do you really think he gives a shiitt about the Calgary Flames today?
And Bartowski has proven good enough to have a look at the NHL level. That's a far cry from an unsigned US college hockey player. A Boston first rounder is a better pick than a Penguin first rounder too.
Unlike you, I'm very open to changing my mind.