Re: PC Presser
posted at 3/29/2013 6:36 PM EDT
In response to JWensink's comment:
In response to stevegm's comment:
In response to JWensink's comment:
You're going down a slippery road from a discussion perspective. If you're not open to changing your mind, what are you doing here? Just re-reading your own posts? I've offered up many reasons for my position, and the only thing you can do is post around them and sling mud.
Please explain what you think would have been different if Boston had included 2 more decent prospects, or whatever it is you're suggesting. Please explain why that would have made Feaster more secretive. Please explain how that would've motivated Iginla or how that would have kept the Crosby stuff in the dark.
As far as why the best offer wasn't made, I don't know where to start. It was the best offer. It was accepted by the Flames. Calgary didn't turn it down, Iginla did. Unless the Flames could provide some under the table incentive for Iginla to accept Boston(which is highly illegal) in the event PC was prepared to include Seguin, what difference would that make to Iginla. Do you really think he gives a shiitt about the Calgary Flames today?
And Bartowski has proven good enough to have a look at the NHL level. That's a far cry from an unsigned US college hockey player. A Boston first rounder is a better pick than a Penguin first rounder too.
Unlike you, I'm very open to changing my mind.
Not sure why you feel like I'm slinging mud ?
I'll ask you again, If you're not understanding my point
Do you feel that the offer had no impact on the decision, and that Iginla was going to Pitt regardless of what Boston put on the table ?
I'm virtually positive the offer had no impact.
There's just too much evidence to the contrary.
As far as what you're "not sure of", I've sincerely tried to interact reasonably with you. I've detailed why I have the opinions I do. You've come back with nothing. Nothing except accusations of being naive and ridiculous, along with the admission of being pig headed. I was pretty charitable in only calling that mud slinging.
Apologies if you took it that way.
I don't change my views, and that's pig headed, you don't and it's ???
Still not responding directly to my question though.
I'm asking if an upgraded offer would of had an impact, because I believe it would have. It seems that you are referring to the offer that was on the table.
I'm still not sure how anyone can be positive about something that never took place. Possible that it would have had an impact is reasonable to assume. Positive that it would of had no impact, isn't reasonable because there's no basis for that opinion.
Look - I just strongly disagree
No problem....but I didn't take it that way....you wrote it that way. There's no interpretation factor in play there.
The pig headed statemnt is fair because you've already proclaimed nothing is gonna change your mind. I've never said that,....and if I did, you'd be perfectly correct in calling me pig headed too.
Let me be clear. I don't think more players...better players would have made a difference, and I already stated why. I believe it to be very obvious there were other motivating scenarios in play, and they didn't come from the flames front office. The most glaring being Calgary's decision to accept an inferior one. You may disagree with that, but you're on an island all alone, with virtually the whole industry seeing it differently. Boston had the best deal. I also said that if the flames "hadn't agreed to the deal", your theory would make a lot of sense.
Since it was a done deal, it's illogical to see it any other way. Iginla didn't care who Boston was offerring....he, not the flames torpedoed the whole thing. It's totally illogical to assume Feaster told PC it was a done deal, then turn around and do one that was worse, and the whole world considers it worse. All that's left for debate is the degree of worse. If Feaster pulled out a rabbit and actually got something from Pittsburgh, yeah, your scenario may be true. But no one is going to allow themselves to look that stupid.
Unless they have no choice.
Sometimes reality just isn't titilating enough around here. Feaster thought he had the green light to deal with a specified number of teams. Obviously there was confusion somewhere in the flames camp. This deal did not go down because there was a perceived absence of quality parts. It didn't happen...... because Jerome Iginla wouldn't go to Boston.
No other reason. You can bet your bottom he was pressured to do so, but in the end Iginla refused to because either A, he changed his mind, or B he disputed the fact that he originally ok'ed any potential deal with Boston.
No smoking gun, no grassy knoll, and no beware the Ides of March.