Re: Perfect timing to make an offer for Yakupov
posted at 11/13/2013 1:52 PM EST
In response to Fletcher1's comment:
In response to Chappy28's comment:
I think we may get a little carried away with descibing guys as "Bruins" types of players. Yes we are a defensive team based on a structured system and all of our guys need to be able to play/buy into that system, but that doesn't mean that we can't have any skilled players.
Lou Erickson is not exactly running around hitting people, and Krecji, who we all love, was a complete defensive liability a couple years ago, along with the rest of his line.
We already ran both Seguin and Kessel out of town for now being "tough" enough. But, is that really true? Are the Bruins too tough for skill players? I personally think that the team needs a good mix, but not necessarily all "tough" players and defense first guys. I think Seguin really was just a victim of our strength down the center and we chose Krecji over playing Seguin at his naural position --- which is fine with me.
Yakupov is a world class talent sniper. He is a winger, so wouldn't mess with our depth in the center and would be a significant upgrade over our current third line wingers, or even probably our second line guys. We would have to send somebody the other way however to make room, or break up the merlot line and put some skill down there.
I don't really think we need to mess with the chemistry of this team, but people of that caliber do not become available often so at least worth consideration.
I think you've got a lot wrong there. But here are a few corrections, as I see them:
Eriksson and Krejci are both good two-way players, in that they play the system in the defensive zone too. Running around hitting people has nothing to do with it.
Questioning Krejci's playoff performance is like questioning my dog's ability to sleep. Krejci has been outstanding in the playoffs. Outstanding.
Seguin and Kessel were not 'run out of town' because they weren't 'tough enough' That's perposterous. All of the complaints about them were regarding production and consistency. For example, one goal in 22 playoffs games is a problem for an up and coming star. The worst +/- on the team is too. (and accepting a very good trade offer isn't 'running them out of town either')
Mr. 'world class sniper' Yakupov has 2 goals in 17 games this year. And his opportunities are probably far greater in Edmonton than they would be in Boston.
Look, I know he's a great raw talent, but he's been a mess in Edmonton and has shown terrible attitude Meanwhile, the Bruins are scoring and winning. I don't see the need, short-term, and how can you possible make long term committments to him with all of the current uncertainty -- production, attitude, contract, agent, KHL, etc?
A couple corrections to your corrections:
Krecji, and the rest of his line had terrible +/- two years ago relative to the rest of the team. Look it up. The point I was making is that neither of those two players who are highly regarded are "tough". I never questioned his playoff performance and I actually said I was fine with them dealing Seguin and keeping Krecji as our #1 -- mostly due to the fact that Krecji is such a great, proven playoff performer.
Apparently you don't read the news because both Kessel and Seguin were skewered in the press. To me that is being "run out of town". If you don't think it had to do with toughness, again, I'm not sure of what news sources you were looking at.
Great job pointing out Seguin's playoff points given that he was demoted in favor of Jagr who did nothing and it effectively broke up the line that was the Bruins most effective thoughout the regular season last year. If you look at Seguins advanced stats (good articles about this at StanleyCupof Chowder) he drove possession, shots and offence and was generally snake-bitten in terms of being able to convert his chances. It is unfair to compare Seguin playing on the third line to what we would have expected from him playing on the line he played on all season. Bad puck luck happens to all players at one time or another, but they don't all get demoted to play with an otherwise non existent thrid line that struggled all season. I would argue that if he was left with Bergie and Marchand, that line would have been more effective than it was with Jagr hogging the puck.
The fact is that both were/are great talents that will have very successful careers, so to bash them as if they suck is just plain stupid. Actually, I agree that Kessel is defensively challenged (and still is), but Seguin I think bought in and was playing a responsible game. I seem to remember a number of times where he broke up scoring chances hustling back into the zone, and his +/- was never bad.
I like the Bruins, I get our formula, and I have no problem with the trade(s). I just don't think we should dismiss our ability to integrate talented offensive players into the team. Coaching, teamates, and good locker room culture can change a lot of things in the development of a young player. Edmonton is filled with young offensive guys with limited commitment to defense and that is why they suck now and will continue to suck for a while. For a kid like Yakupov coming in as a #1 draft pick, I'm sure it is tough to accept limited ice time and tough love from the coaching staff when all he sees is a bunch of other young offensive guys like himself getting time.