Players have too much power

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    Players have too much power

    I am upset with Both PC and Jerome.  Upset at PC for not making it clear to the Flames that he be notified immediately if Jerome changed his mind about the Bruins.  I am pissed even more at Jerome for picking 4 teams he would go to.  Then saying no to one of them.  My issue here is that if Pitt was where he wanted to go all along then that is the only team he should have listed.  I feel that once you provide the list of teams you would go to you have no more say in the matter.  PERIOD.  END OF STORY.  Thanks for letting me vent.

     
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    I think you're blaming the wrong people.  PC really had nothing to do with the fallout as explained in numerous threads here already (feel free to post in the half dozen threads on this topic instead of starting a new one...).

    Iginla isn't really to blame either.  If he was given a choice, he made a choice, weak though it may be.  This is all Feasters fault.  Feaster agreed to a deal with PC before he was ready to make it.  Feaster went back to the player and gave him an option when he didn't need to, by all accounts.  I think Feaster is a bumbling fool, and everyone else acted pretty rationally.

     
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    In response to Fletcher1's comment:

     

    Iginla isn't really to blame either.  If he was given a choice, he made a choice, weak though it may be.  This is all Feasters fault.  Feaster agreed to a deal with PC before he was ready to make it.  Feaster went back to the player and gave him an option when he didn't need to, by all accounts.  I think Feaster is a bumbling fool, and everyone else acted pretty rationally.




    Bingo......why blame the player for exercising his contractual right?

     
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    I agree. with that it is Feaster.  Just like when Heatly demaded a trade from Ottowa.  I feel that once he demanded that trade his power of who to be traded to should have been taken away.  You want out,  Find We will take the best deal for this team.  I just feel these GM's are not writing these contracts out the way they should.  Fine no trade clause, OK.  But when asked to give X number of teams you would go to you no longer have a say.  I as a GM will make the best deal for the franchise.  OK.  Thanks for letting me vent again.  I tell you what though.  If I wasn't a Bruins fan and let's say a Tampa fan I would root for the Bruins to go to the cup and win just so Jerome gets screwed!

     
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    Feaster is an idiot.

     

    He should have had a signed agreement with Igilna on the teams that he would go to before he started negotiating with them. Even if said agreement was not made public.

     
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    The truth is iggy submitted 4 teams to feaster, Feaster wanted the deal with the Bs. Feaster should of got that paper signed 1st before having any talk 1st with any team. The blame falls on feaster and iggy. I hope this crap and talks soon end. lets move on.

     
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  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from jmwalters. Show jmwalters's posts

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    In response to chris3366's comment:

    I agree. with that it is Feaster.  Just like when Heatly demaded a trade from Ottowa.  I feel that once he demanded that trade his power of who to be traded to should have been taken away.  You want out,  Find We will take the best deal for this team.  I just feel these GM's are not writing these contracts out the way they should.  Fine no trade clause, OK.  But when asked to give X number of teams you would go to you no longer have a say.  I as a GM will make the best deal for the franchise.  OK.  Thanks for letting me vent again.  I tell you what though.  If I wasn't a Bruins fan and let's say a Tampa fan I would root for the Bruins to go to the cup and win just so Jerome gets screwed!



    You are describing a limited nmc clause:

    "Limited NMCs simply mean the player's contract includes specific terms for the clauses, usually allowing the player to specify a no-trade list of undesireable teams or a trade list of desireable teams"


    Iginla has a full nmc as does Bergeron and Chara by the way:

    "no-move clause means a player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent. This does not protect the player from a buyout"

     
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    In response to jmwalters' comment:

    In response to chris3366's comment:

     

    I agree. with that it is Feaster.  Just like when Heatly demaded a trade from Ottowa.  I feel that once he demanded that trade his power of who to be traded to should have been taken away.  You want out,  Find We will take the best deal for this team.  I just feel these GM's are not writing these contracts out the way they should.  Fine no trade clause, OK.  But when asked to give X number of teams you would go to you no longer have a say.  I as a GM will make the best deal for the franchise.  OK.  Thanks for letting me vent again.  I tell you what though.  If I wasn't a Bruins fan and let's say a Tampa fan I would root for the Bruins to go to the cup and win just so Jerome gets screwed!

     



    You are describing a limited nmc clause:

     

    "Limited NMCs simply mean the player's contract includes specific terms for the clauses, usually allowing the player to specify a no-trade list of undesireable teams or a trade list of desireable teams"


    Iginla has a full nmc as does Bergeron and Chara by the way:

    "no-move clause means a player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent. This does not protect the player from a buyout"




    Well you can bet that this issue will become one of the highlights on a GM meeting soon. Loopholes again.

     
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    I think the biggest losers in this entire saga are the Flames. By going back to Iginla again, they were forced to take a lesser deal with the Penguins. 

     
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    In response to Ronstar8's comment:

    I think the biggest losers in this entire saga are the Flames. By going back to Iginla again, they were forced to take a lesser deal with the Penguins. 




    Good to see you Ron. Hope all's well in Panama.

     
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    In response to dezaruchi's comment:

    In response to Ronstar8's comment:

     

    I think the biggest losers in this entire saga are the Flames. By going back to Iginla again, they were forced to take a lesser deal with the Penguins. 

     




    Good to see you Ron. Hope all's well in Panama.

     



    Good to be back Dez. Been traveling quite a bit lately but very nice to catch up with all you guys. All is still pretty cool here. 

     
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    Too much power, really. If Calgary's owner wanted to they could've said no, your going nowhere no matter how much he wanted to leave. 

     
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    In response to winthecup's comment:

    In response to wallydouglas' comment:

     

    The truth is iggy submitted 4 teams to feaster, Feaster wanted the deal with the Bs. Feaster should of got that paper signed 1st before having any talk 1st with any team. The blame falls on feaster and iggy. I hope this crap and talks soon end. lets move on.

     



    Exactly i think all GM's will be getting it in writing when a player is willing to give up no trade clause,or even better don't sighn players to no trade clause,that;s why they get the big bucks

     



    I bet 29 GM's in the league are smart enough to do that.

     
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    In response to jmwalters' comment:



    You are describing a limited nmc clause:

     

    "Limited NMCs simply mean the player's contract includes specific terms for the clauses, usually allowing the player to specify a no-trade list of undesireable teams or a trade list of desireable teams"


    Iginla has a full nmc as does Bergeron and Chara by the way:

    "no-move clause means a player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent. This does not protect the player from a buyout"



    Yes, JM, but when it comes time to start making deals, or when a player is on the block, the GMs will often receive a list from a player with a full NMC.  The list will contain some of the teams he's willing to accept.  This allows the GM to work with those teams and make the best deal.

    It was often said that Iginla had listed four teams:  Boston, Pitt, LA and Chicago.  When Feaster got the lesser offer from Pitt, he should have buried it.

     
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    Would this be causing so much fuss on this forum, if instead of what really happened, Iginla had said 'no' to a deal with the Senators, and then 'yes' to a deal with the Bruins?

     
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    In response to 49-North's comment:

    Would this be causing so much fuss on this forum, if instead of what really happened, Iginla had said 'no' to a deal with the Senators, and then 'yes' to a deal with the Bruins?




    Wow, you haven't been around for most of the year while the B's rode high.  Now that a couple of things have gone wrong, here you are, front and center.

    Honestly, if the Sens got spurned and Iginla ended up in Boston, it would be party central here.  Have you ever been to party central?  It's like a Vancouver riot, but the exact opposite.

     
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    In response to 49-North's comment:

     

    Would this be causing so much fuss on this forum, if instead of what really happened, Iginla had said 'no' to a deal with the Senators, and then 'yes' to a deal with the Bruins?

     




    Wow, you haven't been around for most of the year while the B's rode high.  Now that a couple of things have gone wrong, here you are, front and center.

     

    Honestly, if the Sens got spurned and Iginla ended up in Boston, it would be party central here.  Have you ever been to party central?  It's like a Vancouver riot, but the exact opposite.



    Ha! Missed you NAS. 

    49... not so much.

     
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    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    In response to 49-North's comment:

     

    Would this be causing so much fuss on this forum, if instead of what really happened, Iginla had said 'no' to a deal with the Senators, and then 'yes' to a deal with the Bruins?

     




    Wow, you haven't been around for most of the year while the B's rode high.  Now that a couple of things have gone wrong, here you are, front and center.

     

    Honestly, if the Sens got spurned and Iginla ended up in Boston, it would be party central here.  Have you ever been to party central?  It's like a Vancouver riot, but the exact opposite.




    That's some gooooood stuff right there.

     
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    Re: Players have too much power

    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

     

    Yes, JM, but when it comes time to start making deals, or when a player is on the block, the GMs will often receive a list from a player with a full NMC.  The list will contain some of the teams he's willing to accept.  

     

     




     

    I have no way of verifying if this is, in fact, true or not.

    By the way, be nice to 49, its not his fault he is a d**sh, it is a biological imperative for all Nuck fans.....ensconced in the DNA.

    Anyone else posting here to escape the in-laws?

     

     
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    The problem is that the league allowed Ignila to make a decision by naming 4 teams he would accept a trade to and then in the 11th hour  they allowed him to make a "new" decision naming only one team he wanted to be traded to.   What the ...........?

    The league is a "dumb" league for allowing this to happen and Ignlia's character rating is -1!

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ronstar8. Show Ronstar8's posts

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    In response to OrrandShore's comment:

    The problem is that the league allowed Ignila to make a decision by naming 4 teams he would accept a trade to and then in the 11th hour  they allowed him to make a "new" decision naming only one team he wanted to be traded to.   What the ...........?

    The league is a "dumb" league for allowing this to happen and Ignlia's character rating is -1!



    The league? What's the league got to do with it?

     
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    Re: Players have too much power

    I wouldnt be suprised if Iginla went the Pittsburgh route, thinking it was his best chance to win a Cup right now, and back to Calgary he comes. Never having any intention of signing with any team he is traded to. Knowing this, Feaster makes the deal with Pitsburgh since the draft choice coming from Boston is conditional on the Bruins signing him.

     
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