Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

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    Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

    Anyone actually see this live?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417918

     

    Apparently Prospal got a 10 min misconduct for pointing at the scorebaord while engaged in a scrum. This is parallel to McGratton getting an extra 10 for slauting the crowd after a fight.

    What the hell is going on here?

     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

    In response to jmwalters' comment:

    Anyone actually see this live?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417918

     

    Apparently Prospal got a 10 min misconduct for pointing at the scorebaord while engaged in a scrum. This is parallel to McGratton getting an extra 10 for slauting the crowd after a fight.

    What the hell is going on here?




    You're right JM. That's ridiculous. The league has other things they should worry about instead of installing rules to punish players for saluting, etc. Prospal would've gotten off easier if he punched someone in the face. At least he would've stayed in the game.

     
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    You're right JM. That's ridiculous. The league has other things they should worry about instead of installing rules to punish players for saluting, etc. Prospal would've gotten off easier if he punched someone in the face. At least he would've stayed in the game.

     



    Exactly. With all the bullsh*t going on in the league right now this should not even be an issue. Man, the reffing this year is the worst that I can remember in some time.....

     
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    You're right JM. That's ridiculous. The league has other things they should worry about instead of installing rules to punish players for saluting, etc. Prospal would've gotten off easier if he punched someone in the face. At least he would've stayed in the game.

     

     



    Exactly. With all the bullsh*t going on in the league right now this should not even be an issue. Man, the reffing this year is the worst that I can remember in some time.....

     

     




    I still feel like the officiating was more consistent when there was only one ref. Two refs can lead to a competition of sorts, whether purposeful or not. It looks strange if one ref spotted 9 infractions but the other only sees one or two. It also must be infuriating for a ref who decides that a play 5 feet away from him didn't warrant a penalty only to have his "partner" at center ice call it for him.  It happens all the time and makes me wonder if they discuss it in the room between periods. How could you not feel shown up by the other ref?

     

     
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    I still feel like the officiating was more consistent when there was only one ref. Two refs can lead to a competition of sorts, whether purposeful or not. It looks strange if one ref spotted 9 infractions but the other only sees one or two. It also must be infuriating for a ref who decides that a play 5 feet away from him didn't warrant a penalty only to have his "partner" at center ice call it for him.  It happens all the time and makes me wonder if they discuss it in the room between periods. How could you not feel shown up by the other ref?

     



    Makes sense does it not, if there is only one ref calling the shots games would likely be called more consistently? I agree but I am sure the referee union would demure....

     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

    Read the book 'the tipping point', or actually save some time and just read the first chapter or maybe 2 and you can skip the rest of the book.  Or you can read my summary here and not bother with the book at all.

    The NYC didn't bother with spray paint vandals and toll jumpers in the subway and other minor crimes because they felt they had more important work to do.  Then they went to zero tolerance and found that a lot of these guys committing the minor crimes were also wanted for more serious crimes.  Other psychological testing reveals that most people are more likely to litter where there is already a lot of litter - and even commit crimes in a run down looking place because people figure 'anything goes.'

    Yes, there is a lot more serious nonsense going on in the league, but addressing these minor issues will help with the larger ones.

    And if you allow pointing and saluting then I can see someone trying to outdo it in some way.

    So yes, I would say he earned himself 10 minutes.

     
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    I have no problem with unsportsmanlike misconducts without a warning when warranted - like a player tossing up the finger at a ref for all the rink to see, or someone dropping the 'n' bomb at a black player.

    But this shouldn't have even been a minor - total overeaction.

     
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    Let me add preemptively that my last entry does not let the reffing this season off the hook.

    The call on Ovie last Bruins game, whistle called outside the zone when 2 defensive players deflected it into the stands...  1 deflection, but how did all of them miss 2?

     
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    I have no problem with unsportsmanlike misconducts without a warning when warranted - like a player tossing up the finger at a ref for all the rink to see, or someone dropping the 'n' bomb at a black player.

    But this shouldn't have even been a minor - total overeaction.




    Nail everything down.  The sport has a bad enough circus rep as it is.

     
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    Read the book 'the tipping point', or actually save some time and just read the first chapter or maybe 2 and you can skip the rest of the book.  Or you can read my summary here and not bother with the book at all.

    The NYC didn't bother with spray paint vandals and toll jumpers in the subway and other minor crimes because they felt they had more important work to do.  Then they went to zero tolerance and found that a lot of these guys committing the minor crimes were also wanted for more serious crimes.  Other psychological testing reveals that most people are more likely to litter where there is already a lot of litter - and even commit crimes in a run down looking place because people figure 'anything goes.'

    Yes, there is a lot more serious nonsense going on in the league, but addressing these minor issues will help with the larger ones.

    And if you allow pointing and saluting then I can see someone trying to outdo it in some way.

    So yes, I would say he earned himself 10 minutes.



    WOW! You're really old aren't you? 

     
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    Read the book 'the tipping point', or actually save some time and just read the first chapter or maybe 2 and you can skip the rest of the book.  Or you can read my summary here and not bother with the book at all.

    The NYC didn't bother with spray paint vandals and toll jumpers in the subway and other minor crimes because they felt they had more important work to do.  Then they went to zero tolerance and found that a lot of these guys committing the minor crimes were also wanted for more serious crimes.  Other psychological testing reveals that most people are more likely to litter where there is already a lot of litter - and even commit crimes in a run down looking place because people figure 'anything goes.'

    Yes, there is a lot more serious nonsense going on in the league, but addressing these minor issues will help with the larger ones.

    And if you allow pointing and saluting then I can see someone trying to outdo it in some way.

    So yes, I would say he earned himself 10 minutes.

     




    Tie Domi skated off like he had the heavyweight belt after a battle with Probert. These players did nothing remotely like that. BTW, I didn't read the book but can sum up your synopsis even further by saying criminals do crimes. Do the later chapters deal with pressing questions such as, are hungry people more likely to steal food than someone who just left a buffet? Hey BH, did you know most cars are stolen by people who are on foot? BTW, I reccomend Freakonomics if you're looking for a good read. I bet you'd find it interesting.

     

     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

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    In response to jmwalters' comment:

     

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    You're right JM. That's ridiculous. The league has other things they should worry about instead of installing rules to punish players for saluting, etc. Prospal would've gotten off easier if he punched someone in the face. At least he would've stayed in the game.

     

     



    Exactly. With all the bullsh*t going on in the league right now this should not even be an issue. Man, the reffing this year is the worst that I can remember in some time.....

     

     




    I still feel like the officiating was more consistent when there was only one ref. Two refs can lead to a competition of sorts, whether purposeful or not. It looks strange if one ref spotted 9 infractions but the other only sees one or two. It also must be infuriating for a ref who decides that a play 5 feet away from him didn't warrant a penalty only to have his "partner" at center ice call it for him.  It happens all the time and makes me wonder if they discuss it in the room between periods. How could you not feel shown up by the other ref?

     


    Great point dez, this is crazy and happens too often.  Good to know the guy 100 feet away sees something that his partner cannot from 5 feet away. 

    Either get rid of the guy that can't see the infraction right on top of him or get rid of his trigger happy partner.

    Would love to see some data on this.  Are there refs that do this more often than others?

     
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    Between this and the McGratton salute I get the feeling someone in the league offices has given the order to stop this stuff. I actually didnt realize it was a problem. Perhaps there was a snafu in the emails and somehow the note from Goodell or Stern got mixed up in the NHL...Those leagues have a huge problem, I dont see one in the NHL, and i guess we never will.

     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

    The refs are the stars of the NHL !

    Chowdah do you see what I was saying now ?  or you still think the officiating hasn't changed ?

    Pretty soon the players will not be able to celebrate a goal.

     

     
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    Nail everything down.  The sport has a bad enough circus rep as it is.

     




    So I just want a clarification what the zero tolerance should look like. Do you think Yakupov should have gotten a misconduct for his Fleury imitation? If a modern-day Selanne "shoot the glove" play happened, would it be a misconduct? If it's zero tolerance, should those emotional reactions be misconducts as well? They could both be classified as unsportsmanlike.

     

     
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    The NHL lets a skeeza like Matt Cooke skate around but you can't salute the crowd after a goal or point to the scoreboard during a scrum ?

    Yah the NHL is going NFL No Fun....

     
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    I saw it live. He was yapping and getting told to move along.  So he acts like an 8 year old mite player and points to the scoreboard... while playing for a team thats made the playoffs once... ever. Playing a team with 11 Cups.

    It was a childish, classless move and I loved that he got a 10... actually, the 2 min minor for unsportsmanlike was probably more appropriate, but the ref let him off the hook from costing his team a short-handed situation.

    The call was absolutely correct, and the next day his own coach reamed him publically for it. At least someone has some professionalism. Idiots.

    PS... making that call has ZERO to do with other officiating issues in the league. Comparing them is weak baseless argument.  The 2 are not related.

     

     
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    Nail everything down.  The sport has a bad enough circus rep as it is.

     




    So I just want a clarification what the zero tolerance should look like. Do you think Yakupov should have gotten a misconduct for his Fleury imitation?

    Yes.

    If a modern-day Selanne "shoot the glove" play happened, would it be a misconduct?

    Game misconduct, suspended one game and a slap to the head.

    If it's zero tolerance, should those emotional reactions be misconducts as well? They could both be classified as unsportsmanlike.

    No, because they are not "staged"

    What exactly is that?  Like porn I know it when I see it.




     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

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    The NHL lets a skeeza like Matt Cooke skate around but you can't salute the crowd after a goal or point to the scoreboard during a scrum ?

    Yah the NHL is going NFL No Fun....



    BadHab as league disciplinarian removes from Cooke same as what Kessel had removed from him.

     

     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

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    The refs are the stars of the NHL !

    Chowdah do you see what I was saying now ?  or you still think the officiating hasn't changed ?

    Pretty soon the players will not be able to celebrate a goal.

     



    Worst season ever !

     
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    Worst season ever !

     




    and ever and ever and ever.....

    You're the star !

     
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    Re: Prospal Fingerpointing Worth 10 Minutes?

    yeah reffing has become a two headed monster

     
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