Realignment - Feb 23

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    Realignment - Feb 23

    Reading some scuttlebutt that the realignment proposal that the NHL and NHLPA are working on will be out around Feb. 23. According to Lebrun it's based off last year's 4 conference proposal with a tweaked playoff sytem that would allow for crossovers to counterbalance the uneven conferences, and that a couple of teams would be moved around. I think it's pretty clear te four conference structure is making way for a two team expansion down the line.

     

    Here's last year's structure whch is being used as the new framework.

    Conference A
    Anaheim
    Calgary
    Colorado
    Edmonton
    Los Angeles
    Phoenix
    San Jose
    Vancouver

    Conference B
    Chicago
    Columbus
    Dallas
    Detroit
    Minnesota
    Nashville
    St. Louis
    Winnipeg

    Conference C
    Boston
    Buffalo
    Florida
    Montreal
    Ottawa
    Tampa Bay
    Toronto

    Conference D
    Carolina
    New Jersey
    New York Islanders
    New York Rangers
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Washington

     

    Based on that, and the possibilty of reloaction and expansion, I think within the next few years (5?) that realignment could end up looking like:

    Conference A
    Anaheim
    Calgary
    Colorado
    Edmonton
    Los Angeles 
    Seattle
    San Jose
    Vancouver

    Conference B
    Chicago
    Columbus
    Dallas 
    Milwaukee
    Minnesota
    Nashville
    St. Louis
    Winnipeg

    Conference C
    Boston
    Buffalo 
    Quebec
    Montreal
    Ottawa 
    Detroit
    Toronto

    Washington???

    Conference D
    Carolina
    New Jersey
    New York Islanders
    New York Rangers
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh 
    Florida
    Tampa Bay

    If they go to Markham instead of Milwaukee, then Detroit would stay out west.

    For the 8-8-7-7 structure for next season, wouldn't it make more sense to move Philly and Pitts to Boston's division instead of Tampa and Florida?

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    I vote to keep Toronto and yes lets go ahead n take Florida (Quebec) and Tampa, PC would love the Tampa move for his golf game.

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    In response to red75's comment:
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    Reading some scuttlebutt that the realignment proposal that the NHL and NHLPA are working on will be out around Feb. 23. According to Lebrun it's based off last year's 4 conference proposal with a tweaked playoff sytem that would allow for crossovers to counterbalance the uneven conferences, and that a couple of teams would be moved around. I think it's pretty clear te four conference structure is making way for a two team expansion down the line.

     

     


    I would rather see a team in Hamilton and Hartford, before Seattle and Milwaukee.  It will be interesting to see what they come up with.  Quebec is a no brainer the Nords need to come back.

     
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    I would rather see a team in Hamilton and Hartford, before Seattle and Milwaukee.  It will be interesting to see what they come up with.  Quebec is a no brainer the Nords need to come back.


    With the continued opposition from Buffalo and the new rink going in the GTA I think Hamilton's window for a new team has closed. And with Hartford, both Seattle and Milwaukee are hockey markets with larger populations than Hartford. Can't see it happening.

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    In your hypothetical realignment think Rangers rather than the Caps.  5 of the original 6 in one conference!  Not good for marketing but it would be great for hockey fans.  

     
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    In your hypothetical realignment think Rangers rather than the Caps.  5 of the original 6 in one conference!  Not good for marketing but it would be great for hockey fans.  

     




    Be great to watch, but they'd never pull the Manhattan team out of the same division as the teams in Brooklyn and Newark - Barclays is 9 km from MSG, and the Prudential is only 22 km away. If you hit the train right, you can get from Barclays to MSG in about 20 minutes.

     
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    In response to islamorada's comment:

    In your hypothetical realignment think Rangers rather than the Caps.  5 of the original 6 in one conference!  Not good for marketing but it would be great for hockey fans.  



    would be the most fun conference to watch by a long shot...

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    I was bored so I goofed around and came up with my "What if Ran the League"? dream conferences, including axing and moving a few clubs

    Mountain/Pacific

    Seattle Vancouver Edmonton Calgary Anaheim LA SJ Colorado

    Central

    Winnipeg Minnesota Chicago Milwaukee Dallas Houston (or Saskatchewan in the distant future once Saskatoon grows more) Nashville St Louis

    Northeast

    Boston Quebec Montreal Halifax (or Hartford) Leafs GTA Ottawa Detroit

    Atlantic

    New York Brooklyn NJ Buffalo Pittsburgh Philly Carolina Washington

    Put in Houston because right now they're the only other, aside from Milwaukee, viable market in the Central time zone - Sask isn't big enough yet. Like I said, I was bored.

     

     
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    In response to red75's comment:

    I was bored so I goofed around and came up with my "What if Ran the League"? dream conferences, including axing and moving a few clubs

    Mountain/Pacific

    Seattle Vancouver Edmonton Calgary Anaheim LA SJ Colorado

    Central

    Winnipeg Minnesota Chicago Milwaukee Dallas Houston (or Saskatchewan in the distant future once Saskatoon grows more) Nashville St Louis

    Northeast

    Boston Quebec Montreal Halifax (or Hartford) Leafs GTA Ottawa Detroit

    Atlantic

    New York Brooklyn NJ Buffalo Pittsburgh Philly Carolina Washington

    Put in Houston because right now they're the only other, aside from Milwaukee, viable market in the Central time zone - Sask isn't big enough yet. Like I said, I was bored.

     



    Interesting Red. As someone currently residing in Saskatchewan I can say that it will be more than ready in the next 5-10 years. Huge population and corporate growth going on here at the moment as I am sure you know.

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    Yeah, the trick is hockey isn't like the Riders. Sask. is growing financially and demographically, but it's not centralized, it's spread out over much of the province. I think they'll have a large enough population centre eventually, but hockey is 41 home games in the dead of winter, whereas the Riders are 9 home games in the summer and fall. It's easier for y'all in Saskatchewan to support the Riders logistically than it would be to support an NHL squad. I do think it will happen eventually, it just in my mind depends on the concentration of the growth you're experiencing and how quickly that occurs.

     
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    Yeah, the trick is hockey isn't like the Riders. Sask. is growing financially and demographically, but it's not centralized, it's spread out over much of the province. I think they'll have a large enough population centre eventually, but hockey is 41 home games in the dead of winter, whereas the Riders are 9 home games in the summer and fall. It's easier for y'all in Saskatchewan to support the Riders logistically than it would be to support an NHL squad. I do think it will happen eventually, it just in my mind depends on the concentration of the growth you're experiencing and how quickly that occurs.




    The growth concentration (pop and corporate) is in the two major cities connected by a double laned highway. I don't think commuting is an issue. This province is not ready yet to be sure but will be soon.

     
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    I'm a Prairie Girl, jm. I get your point, but I do think commuting could be more of an issue than you let on. It may be a good highway, but those January drives are not easy. Once Saskatoon breaks 500,000 ( and  the projections are for that to happen just outside of a decade) then I think they'll be viable.

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    So for giggles, I'd hope for Phoenix to move to Seattle and Florida to GTA, then add Quebec and Houston. Leaves 4 divisions of 8:

    Division I

    Boston, Brooklyn, Buffalo, GTA, Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec, Toronto

    Division II

    Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington

    Division III

    Carolina, Colorado, Columbus, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, St. Louis, Tampa

    Division IV

    Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, San Jose, Seattle, Vancouver, Winnipeg

     

    Now if I really had my way, we'd contract Phoenix & Florida, then move the Islanders to Quebec instead of Brooklyn and place the Rangers in Division I.

    Division I

    Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, New York, Ottawa, Quebec, Toronto

    Division II

    Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington

    Division III

    Carolina, Colorado, Columbus, Dallas, Nashville, St. Louis, Tampa

    Division IV

    Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vancouver, Winnipeg

     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    In response to red75's comment:

    Reading some scuttlebutt that the realignment proposal that the NHL and NHLPA are working on will be out around Feb. 23. According to Lebrun it's based off last year's 4 conference proposal with a tweaked playoff sytem that would allow for crossovers to counterbalance the uneven conferences, and that a couple of teams would be moved around. I think it's pretty clear te four conference structure is making way for a two team expansion down the line.

     

    Here's last year's structure whch is being used as the new framework.

    Conference A
    Anaheim
    Calgary
    Colorado
    Edmonton
    Los Angeles
    Phoenix
    San Jose
    Vancouver

    Conference B
    Chicago
    Columbus
    Dallas
    Detroit
    Minnesota
    Nashville
    St. Louis
    Winnipeg

    Conference C
    Boston
    Buffalo
    Florida
    Montreal
    Ottawa
    Tampa Bay
    Toronto

    Conference D
    Carolina
    New Jersey
    New York Islanders
    New York Rangers
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Washington

     

    Based on that, and the possibilty of reloaction and expansion, I think within the next few years (5?) that realignment could end up looking like:

    Conference A
    Anaheim
    Calgary
    Colorado
    Edmonton
    Los Angeles 
    Seattle
    San Jose
    Vancouver

    Conference B
    Chicago
    Columbus
    Dallas 
    Milwaukee
    Minnesota
    Nashville
    St. Louis
    Winnipeg

    Conference C
    Boston
    Buffalo 
    Quebec
    Montreal
    Ottawa 
    Detroit
    Toronto

    Washington???

    Conference D
    Carolina
    New Jersey
    New York Islanders
    New York Rangers
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh 
    Florida
    Tampa Bay

    If they go to Markham instead of Milwaukee, then Detroit would stay out west.

    For the 8-8-7-7 structure for next season, wouldn't it make more sense to move Philly and Pitts to Boston's division instead of Tampa and Florida?

       This was rejected by the players last season. Word from the rumour mill is that it could be rejected again. Also, both Bettman and Daily have stated that expansion and relocation are not on the radar for the forseeable future.


     
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    Re: Realignment - Feb 23

    This would be my league: total of 28 teams

    (1) Boston,Buffalo, Washington, Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec , Hartford

    (2) NJD, NYR, NYI, Philly, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Carolina

    (3) Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, LA, Anaheim, Colorado

    (4) Chicago, Detroit, Columbus, ST. Louis, Toronto, Nashville, Minny

    PHX, DAL, or Fld  2 out of 3 becomes Hartford and Quebec, the other team folds

    28 teams in the league 2 conferences 4 divisions:

    Division (1) the adams, div. (2) the calder div. (3) the  smythe div. (4) norris div.

    (1) no back to back games

    (2) inter conference games, home and home game series one day rest to travel back to other teams city

    (3) games out the conference will be home and home series with 2 days rest for traveling

    (4) each team will get two weekends off per season 1st half and 2nd half, once a month a 3 day rest during the week

     6 gms. agst div teams, 4 gms. agst inter con. teams, 2 gms. agst outer conference teams

    Total of 88 gms. with 2 less teams then the present league

     

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