Savard Contract

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    Savard Contract

    Im confused. What is the reason for keeping Savards contract toward the salary cap? I dont get it. He hasnt played and never will, so why should the B's still have to carry it on the cap? Makes no sense. And its been spoken that CJ can have it removed, but refuses to. Again, that doesnt make sense. Somebody fill me in on the details about how this is working.
     
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    Until they need Savards cap space (maybe the trade deadline), Savard will probably remain off the LTIR. They haven't made any moves and seem unlikely to make one any time soon, so there really isn't a need to.
     
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    I don't think CJ can put him on LTIR, but I've wondered about this as well. I would assume they have insurance on the contract, every contract for that matter. I wonder if there is a certain time you can do it to get cap relief. I also think, and it's just my opinion, that players that are injured and can no longer play or wont play for a significant time will be a topic in the CBA negotiations. Perhaps they are waiting for that.

    Would love some clarity on this issue.
     
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    Wouldn't you sh*t if he came back to play this year? Really why not, the latest hit was a glancing strike much like latest concussions to Bergeron and Horton. I would welcome him back if only as a powerplay specialist, the only weak point on the team.
     
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    Wouldn't you sh*t if he came back to play this year? Really why not, the latest hit was a glancing strike much like latest concussions to Bergeron and Horton. I would welcome him back if only as a powerplay specialist, the only weak point on the team.
    Posted by number08


    ya too bad he can't skate on the ice with his kids hockey team for more than 15 minutes without getting headaches 
     
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    (d) Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below"

    "(ii) The Player Salary and Bonuses of the Player that has been deemed unfit-to-play shall continue to be counted toward the Club's Averaged Club Salary as well as count against the Players' Share during the League Year in which the Player is deemed unfit-to-play (including during the period such unfit-to-play Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan to another league)"

    "In order to qualify for the LTIR, a player must be deemed to be unavailable for 24 days and 10 NHL games after the time of injury.A team is allowed to exceed the salary cap Upper Limit by x amount after applying this formula: The cap hit of the injured player on LTIR minus the amount of salary cap space equals the amount that team can exceed the upper limit by.

    And most importantly, a player on LTIR does not generate any extra cap room for the team. He does not come off the books, and will be factored into the calculations of the year-end salary cap of the team"


    PC cannot put Savard on LTIR (hence "Injured Reserve" in the definition) until the season starts so no one is preventing PC from adding more salary except the start of the season. In either year 2016 or 2017 Savard's contract goes down to about $1M and that is when #91 will retire, money is off the cap no matter what because he signed before he was +35.
     
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    Good work SanDog, that clears that up.
     
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    Wouldn't you sh*t if he came back to play this year? Really why not, the latest hit was a glancing strike much like latest concussions to Bergeron and Horton. I would welcome him back if only as a powerplay specialist, the only weak point on the team. Posted by number08
    What the he.l are you talking about , ? He cant even drive his car ....and you expect him to play again in the NHL ..',? HELLO . ! ! ! Milan
     
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    Ok Thanks. I still dont like that rule. Its a bit ridiculous. If savard had retired do to this injury, would he still have gotten his money? If not, then I can see why he stays on LTIR.
     
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    Savard wouldn't have gotten paid if he retired.

    To simplify what the above post SanDog thoughtfully posted, and to highlight how it would effect the B's:

    You can't put a player on LTIR unless your salary is OVER the cap already. We're at like $69M out of a possible $70M, so PC can't just say "Savard is on LTIR, so now it's like we're only at $65M, and we can either add $5M worth of salary, or be banking some serious cap space so we can add some studs at the deadline!" Instead, he can add salary up to $74M, however, if he's over $70M with Savard on LTIR, he banks NO cap space, and wouldn't be able to take on a significant contract at the deadline.
    By keeping Savard off LTIR, and just banking that margin of cap space, come the trade deadline he can add a player who's contract is worth more than the $1M worth of space he has and the value of the player traded out. So, say Chiarelli were to trade some prospects plus someone on the roster like Caron/Krug... the Bruins could add a contract that had a salary value of Caron/Krug ($1.1M/1.7M), + $1M, +the banked space. By putting Savard on LTIR, the Bruins could only add someone of the same or lesser value of the roster players they'd trade away. So instead of trading Caron/Krug and getting back someone who's very much like Caron/Krug, you can trade Caron/Krug and picks, and bring in someone making around $2.75M/3.35M instead of $1.1M/$1.7M. Or he could even put Savard on LTIR then, and add someone worth $6.75M/7.35M. (Assuming, of course, that you could get that sort of return for Caron/Krug + prospects/picks... not likely. This is just a demonstration.)

    Keeping Savard on LTIR gives PC the option to better the team at the deadline instead of adding someone now and hoping he doesn't need to tweak later... and since he's stated that he believes adding new blood at the deadline breathes needed fresh air into the team and that he things that's pretty much always needed to keep from going stale, he'd rather have that option open.
     
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    In Response to Re: Savard Contract : ya too bad he can't skate on the ice with his kids hockey team for more than 15 minutes without getting headaches 
    Posted by juniorfalcon19


    Link?

    Thank you.
     
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    Posted by Davinator


    do your own research, type in marc savard into google, maybe add concusion symptoms, maybe add feature. it's all over the place
     
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    Savard wouldn't have gotten paid if he retired. To simplify what the above post SanDog thoughtfully posted, and to highlight how it would effect the B's: You can't put a player on LTIR unless your salary is OVER the cap already. We're at like $69M out of a possible $70M, so PC can't just say "Savard is on LTIR, so now it's like we're only at $65M, and we can either add $5M worth of salary, or be banking some serious cap space so we can add some studs at the deadline!" Instead, he can add salary up to $74M, however, if he's over $70M with Savard on LTIR, he banks NO cap space, and wouldn't be able to take on a significant contract at the deadline. By keeping Savard off LTIR, and just banking that margin of cap space, come the trade deadline he can add a player who's contract is worth more than the $1M worth of space he has and the value of the player traded out. So, say Chiarelli were to trade some prospects plus someone on the roster like Caron/Krug... the Bruins could add a contract that had a salary value of Caron/Krug ($1.1M/1.7M), + $1M, +the banked space. By putting Savard on LTIR, the Bruins could only add someone of the same or lesser value of the roster players they'd trade away. So instead of trading Caron/Krug and getting back someone who's very much like Caron/Krug, you can trade Caron/Krug and picks, and bring in someone making around $2.75M/3.35M instead of $1.1M/$1.7M. Or he could even put Savard on LTIR then, and add someone worth $6.75M/7.35M. (Assuming, of course, that you could get that sort of return for Caron/Krug + prospects/picks... not likely. This is just a demonstration.) Keeping Savard on LTIR gives PC the option to better the team at the deadline instead of adding someone now and hoping he doesn't need to tweak later... and since he's stated that he believes adding new blood at the deadline breathes needed fresh air into the team and that he things that's pretty much always needed to keep from going stale, he'd rather have that option open.
    Posted by TommyD603


    THANKYOU VERY MUCH......This folks is working the system to our advantage....I get it now. Makes complete sense to do this, with the chance to carry over the salary cap and not get dinged for it. If it comes to that. But yes currently with him on there we are still under the cap.
     
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    In Response to Re: Savard Contract : do your own research, type in marc savard into google, maybe add concusion symptoms, maybe add feature. it's all over the place
    Posted by juniorfalcon19


    I read this too, forget where, but for some reason I'm not 100% sure we have seen the last of him.
     
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    Savard wouldn't have gotten paid if he retired. To simplify what the above post SanDog thoughtfully posted, and to highlight how it would effect the B's: You can't put a player on LTIR unless your salary is OVER the cap already. We're at like $69M out of a possible $70M, so PC can't just say "Savard is on LTIR, so now it's like we're only at $65M, and we can either add $5M worth of salary, or be banking some serious cap space so we can add some studs at the deadline!" Instead, he can add salary up to $74M, however, if he's over $70M with Savard on LTIR, he banks NO cap space, and wouldn't be able to take on a significant contract at the deadline. By keeping Savard off LTIR, and just banking that margin of cap space, come the trade deadline he can add a player who's contract is worth more than the $1M worth of space he has and the value of the player traded out. So, say Chiarelli were to trade some prospects plus someone on the roster like Caron/Krug... the Bruins could add a contract that had a salary value of Caron/Krug ($1.1M/1.7M), + $1M, +the banked space. By putting Savard on LTIR, the Bruins could only add someone of the same or lesser value of the roster players they'd trade away. So instead of trading Caron/Krug and getting back someone who's very much like Caron/Krug, you can trade Caron/Krug and picks, and bring in someone making around $2.75M/3.35M instead of $1.1M/$1.7M. Or he could even put Savard on LTIR then, and add someone worth $6.75M/7.35M. (Assuming, of course, that you could get that sort of return for Caron/Krug + prospects/picks... not likely. This is just a demonstration.) Keeping Savard on LTIR gives PC the option to better the team at the deadline instead of adding someone now and hoping he doesn't need to tweak later... and since he's stated that he believes adding new blood at the deadline breathes needed fresh air into the team and that he things that's pretty much always needed to keep from going stale, he'd rather have that option open.
    Posted by TommyD603


    Great explanation. Thanks for posting.
     
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    I've read that Savard has been playing quite a bit of golf. I would say that's a pretty big step forward. Granted, golf is not one the most physical sports out there but I see this as a positive for his health.
     
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    Great posts Sandog and TommyD. Just goes to show that PC isn't trying to be cheap by not having Savard on LTIR at the moment.
     
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    I've read that Savard has been playing quite a bit of golf. I would say that's a pretty big step forward. Granted, golf is not one the most physical sports out there but I see this as a positive for his health.
    Posted by Ronstar8


    i'm not sure it is. There's nothing aerobic in that. You aren't raising your heart rate one bit in golf (which is the major step in coming back from a concussion, raising your heart rate without any headaches or dizziness). If he's walking the course, that's a different story
     
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