Seguin lights the lamp in game 1 win!!!

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    To Billy and Dez--GOALS WIN GAMES NOT INTANGIBLES

    A Billy Dez typical conversation: of "Hey, we won more faceoffs, hell, who cares we were outscored 5 to 2." 

    BTW--I've never heard a tiebreaker decided by who won more intangibles.

    That's why you two don't get it-- If Tyler comes on and scores 3 or 4, and picks up the games of his linemates, he's more than made up for Bergeron's loss. Heck, Axxelson had all kinds of intangibles. Are they winning without him? GOALS WIN GAMES, NOT INTANGIBLES. OK you two, class dismissed
     
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    orrespo.....watch a few games, then come back and chat. winning faceoffs leads to puck possession and shots. puck possession and shots lead to goals
     
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    If a player has no scoring ability he can shoot till his arms fall off and he won't score. Goalscoring skill cannot be taught. If you've learned that secret to teaching goalscoring ability, then Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Hamel, and Mr. Kaberle would love to take some lessons from you.

    Bergeron is NOT and never will be a pure goalscorer. Tyler may become one he was at Junior A level, and he may, in a short series, do something special. That's all I said before the dimwits of the site took it out of context. Glad I'm smarter than Dez and Billy. they'll take intangibles over talent. Glad he's not the GM! We'd end up with nothing but defensive specialists with "intangibles".
     
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    BTW, while I'm on my little rant, do you (certain) folks think Bergy's the only one on the team that can win faceoffs? The only one with compete level? If that were the case we wouldn't have come this far LOL. In fact, we won the last Flyers game AFTER Bergy was cheapshotted. Gee, I wonder if we lost every faceoff and still won?  DOUBT IT     ; - )
     
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    So if Seguin plays poorly...is it Seguin's fault ?  or CJ's ?
     
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    If a player has no scoring ability he can shoot till his arms fall off and he won't score. Goalscoring skill cannot be taught. If you've learned that secret to teaching goalscoring ability, then Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Hamel, and Mr. Kaberle would love to take some lessons from you. Bergeron is NOT and never will be a pure goalscorer. Tyler may become one he was at Junior A level, and he may, in a short series, do something special. That's all I said before the dimwits of the site took it out of context. Glad I'm smarter than Dez and Billy. they'll take intangibles over talent. Glad he's not the GM! We'd end up with nothing but defensive specialists with "intangibles".
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    Didn't you say something along the lines ''this could be a rare occasion when the replacement player is better than the guy he replaced''..How did you expect people to react to that statement ? If Seguin scores 4 goals but is a minus 4 for example how does that make him better than the guy who kills penalties ,takes every important draw is rock solid in his own zone and still leads the team in points?
     
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    Notice the words "could be"...  Ah, you've even repeated them...Now, since you are talking in theoretics, let me break this down for you, Dez, and Billy in theoretics--if he scores 4 goals, is a plus 4, and dishes 3 or 4 assists, wins half his draws (if given center time) and stimulates the power play to score 3 or 4 goals(something you'll have to agree Bergeron did NOT do), can it not be argued that that is better, or, minimally, as good? After all, what's more important, helping the power play score, or helping the penalty kill defend? I would argue that they are equal. 


    Other than that I have no strong feelings on the subject ; - ) 
     
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    As the ever incorrect Dezarucci misunderstood one again, I said 2 goals would be easy to replace, and the offensive upside of a second overall draft choice MAY be an upgrade over Bergeron's historical numbers. If Dezarucci (and a few others) can't understand, 3 or 4 goals is an upgrade over 2 goals. Dezzi must be Dizzy lol
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    Whatever you say you meant-it's just plain silly. I'll be impressed if Tyler doesn't look completely lost and out muscled. I want him to succeed but any mention of his name and Bergeron in the same sentence(other than their both B's) is ludicrous
     
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    To Billy and Dez--GOALS WIN GAMES NOT INTANGIBLES A Billy Dez typical conversation: of "Hey, we won more faceoffs, hell, who cares we were outscored 5 to 2."  BTW--I've never heard a tiebreaker decided by who won more intangibles. That's why you two don't get it-- If Tyler comes on and scores 3 or 4, and picks up the games of his linemates, he's more than made up for Bergeron's loss. Heck, Axxelson had all kinds of intangibles. Are they winning without him? GOALS WIN GAMES, NOT INTANGIBLES. OK you two, class dismissed
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    You do know that Bergeron leads the playoffs in even strength scoring right? That doesn't seem like an intangible to me but please do carry on professor.
     
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    Chef, please recite the NHL allstar stats for Mr. Bergeron for 2010 and 2011 games. Oh, you're at a loss? HE DIDN'T GET SELECTED! You 3 have that typical narrow homer view that overrates players because you "love" them. He's a very good all around player, but not the god you and Dez make him to be. But have your love fest. The B's can win without him, though you 3 (Dez, Billy and Chef) will be crying in your Gerber babyfood till Bergy comes back.   <: O
     
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    Chef, please recite the NHL allstar stats for Mr. Bergeron for 2010 and 2011 games. Oh, you're at a loss? HE DIDN'T GET SELECTED! You 3 have that typical narrow homer view that overrates players because you "love" them. He's a very good all around player, but not the god you and Dez make him to be. But have your love fest. The B's can win without him, though you 3 (Dez, Billy and Chef) will be crying in your Gerber babyfood till Bergy comes back.   <: O
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    You equate an all star game selection as the mark of a successful season? Listen professsor, why don't you come back with something solid to add to the debate.All you've come up with is some drivel that would seem more likely to come from a scorned lover. Here's a thought.....how about you wait to find someone else that shares your ridiculous views  before you try to come on here and get all condescending with us. I bet your husband finds the way you argue to be a real hoot but I,for one, have already grown bored of it.
     
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    Dez is still miffed because his views have been rendered irrelevant because of his proclamation that bringing Kaberle to Boston would be a huge lift to our power play. Don't mind him.   Tee-hee

     
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    Dez is still miffed because his views have been rendered irrelevant because of his proclamation that bringing Kaberle to Boston would be a huge lift to our power play. Don't mind him.   Tee-hee
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    Let me get this straight professor.......you are seriously trying to question my credibility with my fellow posters? Seriously, you of all people.......go back through this thread to read the drivel that YOU WROTE..........do you even remember what the debate is about? It doesn't seem as if you do because you haven't come back with anything solid for the MANY here questioning your hockey knowledge.
     
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    dez, just admit you lost this arguement and let it go.  everyone knows seguin will have a better series against tb than bergeron would've had.  bergeron has done absolutely nothing so far.  bergeron has 2 goals and thornton has none, so he's not much better than thornton.
     
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    One goal tonight and the kid's a star!  Let's hope this is one chapter of the Stanley Cup DVD! 

    C'mon Tyler!  Go baby!
     
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    Chef, please recite the NHL allstar stats for Mr. Bergeron for 2010 and 2011 games. Oh, you're at a loss? HE DIDN'T GET SELECTED! You 3 have that typical narrow homer view that overrates players because you "love" them. He's a very good all around player, but not the god you and Dez make him to be. But have your love fest. The B's can win without him, though you 3 (Dez, Billy and Chef) will be crying in your Gerber babyfood till Bergy comes back.   <: O
    Posted by OrrEspoCash


    OEC, I don't think Dez et al are over-rating Bergy or his contributions (tangible or intangible), at all.  Rather, I think you are UNDER-valuing what he brings to the table.  

    The Canadian Olympic team added Patrice to their roster for a reason beyond simple stats, dude.  Besides winning gold in Vancouver, he's also a WJC gold medal winner (he frustrated the hell outta Ovie that tournament) and Sidney Crosby attributes a lot of his first year success as an 18 y/o NHL rookie to Bergy's mentorship during the WJC tournament.  Bergy is the Bruins version of Ryan Kesler and Bergy and his contributions are absolutely irreplaceable to the Bruins.

    The suggestion that a still realtively raw, unproven 19 y/o rookie can fill Bergy's shoes is, well...kinda laughable.

    If you don't believe me, go ask a 'nucks fan where they'd be right now without Kesler - they'd be playing golf and still waiting for the Sedins to score.  


     
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    You're giving Bergeron too much credit. It was a team effort. Marchand had just as big a role, as did Horton and Krecji.

    Your immortal Bergy had 4 chances to knock off the Flyers last year. Did he? answer please Dez??????????????????????????????????????????

    He's not the superstar you proclaim. Tyler will be a better player if Clode gives him the right education, far better. Take that to the bank, and try not to cry.

     
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    dez, just admit you lost this arguement and let it go.  everyone knows seguin will have a better series against tb than bergeron would've had.  bergeron has done absolutely nothing so far.  bergeron has 2 goals and thornton has none, so he's not much better than thornton.
    Posted by goodnewsbears

    You're right goodnews, I don't know what I was thinking. Apparently my love of Bergeron has clouded my vision to the point that I no longer know what it takes for a team to win hockey games. All I can do is soak up the wisdom that is contained within the professor's postings.........
     
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    You're giving Bergeron too much credit. It was a team effort. Marchand had just as big a role, as did Horton and Krecji. Your immortal Bergy had 4 chances to knock off the Flyers last year. Did he? answer please Dez?????????????????????????????????????????? He's not the superstar you proclaim. Tyler will be a better player if Clode gives him the right education, far better. Take that to the bank, and try not to cry.
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    So nobody agrees with you but it's everyone else that's crying? Horton and Krejci played "just as big a role"? I had no idea those guys had as many as points as Bergeron.That explains a lot because I thought Bergeron was the team's leading scorer.Not only that but CJ stated on 2 different occasions that Bergeron was Boston's top performer.Like I said ,if you've got nothing but tears to add to this debate, you might as well save them.
     
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    How many ot goals does Bergy have (crickets)?
    How many does Horton have?
    Compare the goal stats of Bergy, Horton, and Marchand.
    Compare the durability of Bergy, Horton, and Marchand.
    Compare the offensive upside of Bergy and Seguin.
    I like Bergy, but he's no god, but then again you believe Kaberle is a god as well. Just goes to your ability to judge talent, Dez.
     
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    How many ot goals does Bergy have (crickets)? How many does Horton have? Compare the goal stats of Bergy, Horton, and Marchand. Compare the durability of Bergy, Horton, and Marchand. Compare the offensive upside of Bergy and Seguin. I like Bergy, but he's no god, but then again you believe Kaberle is a god as well. Just goes to your ability to judge talent, Dez.
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    You claim Colborne to be the "next Esposito" and I'm a poor judge of talent? Feel free to try again professor but you aren't going to win a debate in which you're trying to devalue Patrice Bergeron.Please do continue as your lack of hockey knowledge is laughable and a good joke helps break the monotony of a week long layoff. Thanks for that.
     
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    Looking forward to what you say when Colborne is dishing passes to Kessel and combining for some highlight reel goals. But you'll be too busy prasing Kaberle LOL

     
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    Looking forward to what you say when Colborne is dishing passes to Kessel and combining for some highlight reel goals. But you'll be too busy prasing Kaberle LOL
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    Is this another prediction like the one you said Montreal would beat Boston in the Chara vs Habs rematch? If I remember correctly, you slinked off for a month with your tail between your legs so forgive me for not taking any of your predictions to the bank. I've got a little tip for you. Say something intelligent and someone may listen.Just try it.You might like it.
    P.S.,this crush you have for Colborne and Kessel makes me wonder if you might be Bruins8.
     
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    And your prediction that Kaberle would be a great addition is any better? My prediction was only about 1 game. Yours has long standing repercussions going on for months and therefore is a much larger mark against your hockey knowledge. Your god Kabs can't even play a regular shift any more.

    And answer me this, if the Bruins had to part with 1 player, Bergy or Seguin right now, who would they let go? Don't kid yourself. Seguin is the future of this team. Bergy, a tried and true plugger, is a very good support member. As was said on Felger and Mazz's show, Lunchboxes don't win cups. Talent wins cups. Seguin has more talent than Bergy.

    Other than that I have no strong feelings on the subject ; - )

     
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    And your prediction that Kaberle would be a great addition is any better? My prediction was only about 1 game. Yours has long standing repercussions going on for months and therefore is a much larger mark against your hockey knowledge. Your god Kabs can't even play a regular shift any more. And answer me this, if the Bruins had to part with 1 player, Bergy or Seguin right now, who would they let go? Don't kid yourself. Seguin is the future of this team. Bergy, a tried and true plugger, is a very good support member. As was said on Felger and Mazz's show, Lunchboxes don't win cups. Talent wins cups. Seguin has more talent than Bergy. Other than that I have no strong feelings on the subject ; - )
    Posted by OrrEspoCash

    How many games has Boston lost with Kaberle on the team? I know you won't want to let something as trivial as wins  have any bearing on your argument.At this level,Bergeron has already scored over 30 goals and had over 70 points while winning a gold medal in a tournament featuring the world's best players.But you keep telling us how a team wins hockey games professor.It's sooooo enlightening.
    BTW- Ryder has as many playoff goals as Bergeron. Does that mean he's every bit as valuable to the team? I'm interested in seeing how you try to spin this crock into something....
     
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