Should Geoff Ward have been fired?

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    Bad, My opinion is no more right than anybody else but you guys are kicking Ward around like we lost the cup and didn't win it. This summer's been great watching the NHL channel(tonight game 6, tomorrow game 7) and seeing all the games again. Your right the PP s#cked but this year's personal will be different so give it a shot. Does anyone remember coming down the stretch last year how we couldn't get a quality PK and we thought that was going to be our problem in the playoffs. How many PP goals did Vancouver score? One that's all I can remember. That's my point in a nut shell.
    Posted by lostinbaltimore


    And I'm saying you can't rest on your laurels.
    I think the biggest mistake teams made against the Bruins in the playoffs was not playing more aggressively and actually taking more penalties, intimidating and frustraing them.  No problem with that resulting in more penalties as it was unlikely that the Bruins pp could convert.

    Last years cup was won.  That's over and done with.  At this moment in the season the Oilers are equal in the standing with the Bruins.  You can't stay the same and win it again, not in this league.  You have to address your weaknesses.

    New players won't do it.  New coaching is what's necessary.

    Look at the Bruins PP.  What are they doing?  It looks disorganized.  It looks like 5 guys who have never played with each other - ever.

    It's broke so bad you have to start from scratch.
     
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    Re: Should Geoff Ward have been fired?

    They won the Cup, yes.  But they won it despite this guys putrid power play. So I don't think that his job should be saved because of it

    If you feel he should be fired or not, fine.  But don't let something he had nothing to do with affect which way you go
     
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    Julien is too loyal, Can PC order a one year removed Stanley Cup winning coach to fire his assistant ? Nope

    As poster KrazyJoe muttered quite a bit last season "same ingredients, same soup" however Corvo doesn't hold the puck, Seguin on the half wall, Lucic ups his totals. Different ingredients, Ward isn't sweating when Claude does a face palm.

    Geoff has a talking too about his metrics Chiarelli doesn't panic anyways cause he's a cool customer...
     
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    Most of the time the best person to fix the situation is the one who is there.

    One thing for sure - the power play will improve. It has to, it can't get any worse.

    We have the players and chemistry to further improve the PP. Let Ward do his job and the solution will come.

    If we can win a Stanley Cup without a PP, we must have players with big cahoonies. If the PP improves - we got a better chance of repeating.
     
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    Wheat, I'd worry more about the cascade effect of changing players than changing the PP coach.  Yes, they'd have to bring someone in who could work in CJ's overall approach, but that's not impossible. They could also keep Ward for his other functions and hire a PP consultant to work with him and the team.  Where's Oates these days?  Tampa, right?
    Posted by Bookboy007


    The best thought on this thread . Thanks prof./lawyer/psycholog.

    One thought about Ward . Everyone complained about his work on the PP and rightfully so. It stunk. But was that Ward's only duties ? I don't see anybody commenting on other aspects of the B's game that were superb . He obviously had a hand in that .

    My thoughts in the 2nd paragraph of my original post were brought to life in this thread.

    P.S. NAS's comments about what Kaberle does with the puck has been happening for the last 5 years with the Leafs. No surprise there. One of the reasons I didn't like him to begin with.

    Badhab you misinterpreted . TLDR meant tables leaving dining room.

    Wheat, I love your thinking on this.

    And finally to bogie. It was a pleasure to see the old guy get excited about something . That probably doesn't happen too often anymore. You're welcome.
     
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    I think winning the cup saved his job.  Playing the "what if" game, had the Bruins lost to Vancouver, despite the marginal improvement in, the pp he'd have been gone.  The scary thing is if The Habs score an an O.T. goal somewhere along the way Julien may have been gone.    So, it is what it is.  He's on life support.   
    Posted by scooter244

    If the Habs had swept there's a good chance PC would've joined him.
     
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       I would have bet my house, that Ward would be quietly replaced this summer.
    I am stunned that he is still going to be running the PP.
    I expect Recchi to be running it by November.
     
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    I dont see how winning the Cup changes anything. Philly went to the Finals the year before with mediocre goaltending, didnt change anything and they got bounced, in no small part due to mediocre goaltending.

    The B's have made us all crazy happy,  but to pretend a team that won 3 game 7s for the first time ever doesnt have things to fix is whistling past the graveyard.  Playoff teams with awful Power Plays usually fail for a reason.

    Ward was in charge, the PP was terrible, just embarrassing most nights.  Replace him.
     
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    After Game 1 against TB the power play was awful. Ward goes to work on the power play units and says to CJ I need Tyler's speed to break their 3-1 blue line trap up. CJ says no the kids not playing on the PP. We gave him 9 minutes the night before and he scored but I'm not changing. We all know what happened in the second period, Tyler has the period of a life and the PP had a good game. Bergy comes back and Tyler sits and we all know what happened. So for that one period are you genius or is it your personal. Again if you want to fire Ward then you better fire whoever was in charge of the PK because down the stretch we were 14th in the league and that should not be acceptable by your terms.
     
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    After Game 1 against TB the power play was awful. Ward goes to work on the power play units and says to CJ I need Tyler's speed to break their 3-1 blue line trap up. CJ says no the kids not playing on the PP. We gave him 9 minutes the night before and he scored but I'm not changing. We all know what happened in the second period, Tyler has the period of a life and the PP had a good game. Bergy comes back and Tyler sits and we all know what happened. So for that one period are you genius or is it your personal. Again if you want to fire Ward then you better fire whoever was in charge of the PK because down the stretch we were 14th in the league and that should not be acceptable by your terms.
    Posted by lostinbaltimore

    I won't comment on ficticious conversations. For all any of us know, it could have been Ward refusing to play Seguin, on the PP.                                   IMO however, there is no comparison between the PK & the PP.
    The PK finished 6th out of 16, in the playoffs. That is respectable. The PP was 14th. That, is just plain bad.
    Montreal & Tampa Bay finished 1 / 2 in PK for the playoffs. Coincidence, they both played Boston?
    Montreal HAS to be the only team to lose a 7 game series, and have their PK be 100 % and, a +1.
    IMO, Ward should no longer be in control of the PP, and if he is, it better be with a very short time-frame, for him to prove himself.
     
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    You think Ward tells CJ who's playing when???? Talk about ficticious.....

    I'm talking regular season when I talk about last years PK which is what is in front of us right now. If you fire Ward then fire his boss CJ, it's 100% his team, Not Ward's
     
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    Why stop at Julien? By you're reasoning, they would then need to fire Chiarelli as well, then Neely.
    All because, they want to change a PP coach.
    I'm beginning to think, you're Geoff Ward.
    If what you say is correct, and Julien is 100 % responsible for every aspect of the team, then it shouldn't matter who any of the assistants are. Heck, they should hire me to run the PP.
    I'm willing to do whatever Julien tells me to do, for less money.

     
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    Why stop at Julien? By you're reasoning, they would then need to fire Chiarelli as well, then Neely. All because, they want to change a PP coach. I'm beginning to think, you're Geoff Ward. If what you say is correct, and Julien is 100 % responsible for every aspect of the team, then it shouldn't matter who any of the assistants are. Heck, they should hire me to run the PP. I'm willing to do whatever Julien tells me to do, for less money.
    Posted by biggskye



    Great ! The Bruins have Stanley waiting in line for the Asst. GM job now biggskye will work for nothing to run the PP.

    Hey Jacobs,  I'm willing to take your job . Let me know when you want to start spending your money.
     
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    In Response to Re: Should Geoff Ward have been fired? : Great ! The Bruins have Stanley waiting in line for the Asst. GM job now biggskye will work for nothing to run the PP. Hey Jacobs,  I'm willing to take your job . Let me know when you want to start spending your money.
    Posted by Chowdahkid-


    HEY, I said for LESS money, not, NOTHING. Glad you're not my agent :)
     
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    Actually you just made my point. Your trying to fire Ward because the PP s$cked. But who gave him Kaberle? That's why personal was the problem not the coaching staff. By the way I just watched the replay of game 6. Did you know after Ference's PP goal to make the score 3-0 the from game 2 to that point the Bruins PP was 4 for 16 for a 25% conversion rate. So if you ask me it showed up when it counted.
     
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    Actually you just made my point. Your trying to fire Ward because the PP s$cked. But who gave him Kaberle? That's why personal was the problem not the coaching staff. By the way I just watched the replay of game 6. Did you know after Ference's PP goal to make the score 3-0 the from game 2 to that point the Bruins PP was 4 for 16 for a 25% conversion rate. So if you ask me it showed up when it counted.
    Posted by lostinbaltimore


    Was Kaberle that bad, or was the PP so bad, Bobby Orr in his prime, couldn't have fixed it?
    I don't know the answer to that, and neither do you.
    Also, cherry-picking approx. 240 minutes of PP time over a 5 month period, does not really prove anything.
    The players appeared lost on most powerplays. It seems reasonable to hold the coach in charge of the PP, responsible.
     
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    Well, it is now Sunday daytime, and this has certainly been an expressive thread, thanks Chowda et all. Until I see a change and more flexibility, my arrow will still point at Claude. His mantra is stubborn and it takes someone with guts , like Rammer has, to challenge the leader successfully. Of course, Claude would need to select that individual at this point, but wait until the angst of mid-year and the resulting standings on Jan.1 By the way, does anyone have any idea as to the input from the "eye in the sky" ? I thought he was a skilled Montreal forward ?? No input to the PP ?? or the PK ? Why rest Kreji and Bergeron on the PK  ?? IMO Savard became more of a threat when he added PK to his skill set.
     
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    Well, it is now Sunday daytime, and this has certainly been an expressive thread, thanks Chowda et all. Until I see a change and more flexibility, my arrow will still point at Claude. His mantra is stubborn and it takes someone with guts , like Rammer has, to challenge the leader successfully. Of course, Claude would need to select that individual at this point, but wait until the angst of mid-year and the resulting standings on Jan.1 By the way, does anyone have any idea as to the input from the "eye in the sky" ? I thought he was a skilled Montreal forward ?? No input to the PP ?? or the PK ? Why rest Kreji and Bergeron on the PK  ?? IMO Savard became more of a threat when he added PK to his skill set.
    Posted by bogie6


    Good morning bogie . Glad you liked this thread . I posted it thinking of you and your passion for this topic.

    I believe you are thinking of Doug Jarvis as in Gainey and Jarvis the best defensive forward tandem in the NHL during their play together.

    No he wasn't a skilled Montreal forward. Steve Kaspar's style of play ( hee hee ) was a carbon copy of Jarvis' IMO.
     
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    Hey bogie I know that you have big doubts in your mind about the way Julien coaches. But someone with a little better hockey mind then you and I sought out Julien for coaching advice. 

    Why Julien if his methods are questionable ?


    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/bruins/post/_/id/7453/roy-seeks-advice-from-julien
     
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    You mean looking at the playoff PP% without Savard vs. looking at the whole year.
    Better yet compare 2009-2010 vs. 2010 vs.. 2011. One year with Savard before injury and one year after. I'm sure the numbers are striking.

    By the way, yes Kaberle was that bad. Couldn't handle the puck clearly behind the net or in the defensive corners and was always retreating from the offensive blueline.
     
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    Come on Chowda, since when has Patrick Roy been known for his smarts and insight. Remember how he handled his son's tirade?? I would imagine that Julien's advice on start-up defensive strategy would be welcomed by anyone, bu that's all it is, a primer on defensive strategy. If Claude and Houda were alert, Boychuck would have covered his zone better. So, to me, it's more the level of alertness, flexibility, and responsibility that needs attention and innovation. Did Claude really encourage using "YOUNG" players ??? Hello Tyler.
     
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    In Response to Re: Should Geoff Ward have been fired? : Good morning bogie . Glad you liked this thread . I posted it thinking of you and your passion for this topic. I believe you are thinking of Doug Jarvis as in Gainey and Jarvis the best defensive forward tandem in the NHL during their play together. No he wasn't a skilled Montreal forward. Steve Kaspar's style of play ( hee hee ) was a carbon copy of Jarvis' IMO.
    Posted by Chowdahkid-


    That's why I brought his name up earlier in this thread. He wasn't a skilled PP specialist in his playing days although he might have been the faceoff man in his era .  He did help man the Habs PP while part of the coaching staff and it was tops in the league.
    It would be foolish to think the coaches didn't get together with Jarvis to discuss PP.  This is why I would not fire one guy, sure Ward has the biggest responsibility to find a solution and all season he did not.  The players also have a big part of the responsibility. 
    The PP starts in the other teams end, possession is the priority and the Bruins don't win most of those faceoffs and the puck gets cleared.  I don't get this though as the Bruins have a pretty good core of faceoff winning centers. 
    Then when the puck is cleared comes the no2 problem and that's carrying the puck with some speed to back off defenders from the blueline or getting into the o-zone first to pickup the dump in or at least generate a PP forecheck. Without this first entry most of the times the puck is back in your end. 
     
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    Come on Chowda, since when has Patrick Roy been known for his smarts and insight. Remember how he handled his son's tirade?? I would imagine that Julien's advice on start-up defensive strategy would be welcomed by anyone, bu that's all it is, a primer on defensive strategy. If Claude and Houda were alert, Boychuck would have covered his zone better. So, to me, it's more the level of alertness, flexibility, and responsibility that needs attention and innovation. Did Claude really encourage using "YOUNG" players ??? Hello Tyler.
    Posted by bogie6


    A few things I learned from this post .

    1) you are smarter then Roy when it comes to handling sons. Hockey I don't think so.
    2) Roy wanted to know about the forechecking part of the Bruins game. FYI unless you missed the memo forechecking is part of the offensive game.
    Your defensive primer insinuation is only half right.
    3)Young players ? Julien led his junior team to the QMJHL finals with 17 rookies . If you would have read it properly you'd know that is what they discussed. 
    4) Young players in the NHL last year ? Hello ! Boychuk.....rookie . Hello ! Marchand......rookie. Hello ! McQuaid .......rookie.
    Not to mention the zillions ( well not quite ) of callups during the season of players playing their first NHL games.
    5) The underlined part. Did you have an out of body experience with that comment ? It doesn't seem to fit with the topic of Roy and Julien conversing. 
    6) Hello ! Tyler. Seguin's play was more down then up last year. Players earn their minutes on teams that are looking to win the cup. Not have them spoon fed to them. At times Seguin looked like a junior player not an NHLer. 
      
     
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    In Response to Re: Should Geoff Ward have been fired? : That's why I brought his name up earlier in this thread. He wasn't a skilled PP specialist in his playing days although he might have been the faceoff man in his era .  He did help man the Habs PP while part of the coaching staff and it was tops in the league.It would be foolish to think the coaches didn't get together with Jarvis to discuss PP.  This is why I would not fire one guy, sure Ward has the biggest responsibility to find a solution and all season he did not.  The players also have a big part of the responsibility.  The PP starts in the other teams end, possession is the priority and the Bruins don't win most of those faceoffs and the puck gets cleared.  I don't get this though as the Bruins have a pretty good core of faceoff winning centers.  Then when the puck is cleared comes the no2 problem and that's carrying the puck with some speed to back off defenders from the blueline or getting into the o-zone first to pickup the dump in or at least generate a PP forecheck. Without this first entry most of the times the puck is back in your end. 
    Posted by BsLegion


    Really good post BL. And for the reason above why wouldn't the Bruins be getting input from Jarvis and anyone else on the staff who could help in this area ? This post should be saved for everyone when talking about firing Ward because of the lack of productivity of the PP.

    I also noticed the PP had more troubles with the entry into the offensive zone year . I hate to admit it ( gulp ) but Kessel was good at this.

     
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    Come on Chowda, since when has Patrick Roy been known for his smarts and insight. Remember how he handled his son's tirade?? I would imagine that Julien's advice on start-up defensive strategy would be welcomed by anyone, bu that's all it is, a primer on defensive strategy. If Claude and Houda were alert, Boychuck would have covered his zone better. So, to me, it's more the level of alertness, flexibility, and responsibility that needs attention and innovation. Did Claude really encourage using "YOUNG" players ??? Hello Tyler.
    Posted by bogie6


    Boychuck had some bad games against Tampa but was excellent against the Flyers .  Maybe the coaching staff thought he would settle back and he did regain some form in the final.
    When I saw Boychuck and Julien hugging once the cup was won I could swear I saw tears on Johnny's face.  The first thing that crossed my mind was Johnny telling Claude " Thanks for sticking with me ".
    Like to mention also how the coaching staff saw that Seidenberg and Chara had to play together and changed it up midway into the Habs series.  
    Julien's biggest attribute from the last 3 years is his willingness to change up things in a game or as we saw in a series.
     

     
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