should have signed Horton

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    Re: should have signed Horton

    No the mistake is by Horton!

    Losing the chance to play with great  linemates and a chance to win.

     

     

     
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    Re: should have signed Horton

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    all right since u posters seem to be so brilliant- why do u not explain to me why it is we cannot afford him because of the cap- i will admit i do nt follow the cap like some of you but pls explain it to me- i also noticed that some of u really think u know ur stuff cuz u han around here and everyone agees with you much like a cult however that is another whole issue

     

    so go ahead fletch explain to me the cap - it might very well be something i missed - a si said  i am not a cap fanatic like some of u

    i am waiting

     

     


    Here you go:

     http://capgeek.com/bruins/

    Spent too much time with you already, but I'm sure you can read up on it all by yourself.  Consider that you still need to sign another forward, Rask ($7-ish?), and a backup goalie for this year.  Bought out players need to be replaced, and if you think PC should buy out all of the veterans forwards and throw Julien a bunch of rookies, you're out to lunch (more so).  Bergeron, Seidenberg, and Krug need to be resigned next year and all will want raises.  Another D-man (Bartkowski) and forward (Thronton) will also need to be signed or replaced.  The next year you have 8 UFAs.

    Ideally, you would have read up on this first, then started a thread and argued with everyone who was trying to explain it, but whatever.

    And what you won't find on Capgeek is the simple truth that you can't sign someone who wants to leave...which makes this whole thread pretty much moot... 

    Thanks for coming.

     



    first off cap geek says over 5m in cap space - add savard thats 9m in cap space

     

    second of all ur  damn right if my veterans cannot conribute then replace them with rookies cuz all they will be doing is waiting for their contracts to be over and get rid of them

    Fletch u serious- i mean really ur considering krug over horton- man i see u guys have not wisened up much . 

    Dennis seidenberg- will be 34 when he's a free agent mr fletch- u can probably bet they will not  re sign him- he's a great defensive dman but in all likelihood he will not be re-signed

     

    Thornton?  write this down - he's gone! bye!

    Btw- thye cap is increasing next year- Now Fletch mabe the bruins can slip u and ur confreres a few but i might be a little to wise- no offence really but i see no attempt in understanding . keep in mind that this cap stuff is really not my forte but i do believe i have shown where yhe $ can come from

    Lastly- Rask no more then 6.5 m- big max 

    horton - 6m max 

     

     

     

     
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    Hey Marco, are you the same guy who used to post here a couple of seasons back? Not important, I just wonder where you went.


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    Re: should have signed Horton

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    Pretty cut and dry Marco.

    1. Would you be hesitant to offer a long term contract to a player with two significant concussions in a short period of time with both of them happening recently?

     

    U mean the same hesitation they showed as when they signed bergy

    2. Would you at least want to see how he finishes the current season, you risk losing him, but you also know you have your best offensive player done due to concussions, your current best overall player with concussion issues???

    why take that chance- sign him- again who cares of jacobs's money- if he gets hurt again for a long period put him on LTIR 

    3. You cannot buyout an injured player.- LTIR

    4. The cap is going down this season, I have Rask an RFA and Bergeron contract coming up..Do you think any of these play a role in PC's mindset? Or do you want to just blame Jacobs?   the cap is going up again next yr 

    5. Every decision made on player personnel, is made with the cap in mind. That is a fact.

     And be careful how you answer. Sometimes it's just best to sit back and learn.

    ur right tell me tho when it's time for me to start learning cuz u have a long way to go. At least til this point

     




     




     

     
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    Re: should have signed Horton

    In response to asmaha's comment:

    a) Rask needs to be signed

    b) Concussion history

    c) Who says the Bs didn't try to extend him? Players want to go to UFA and get paid.

    d) You can't just throw money at players who sleepwalk through the regular season and have a good playoffs.

    I like Horton. I think he's an excellent player. So do a bunch of GMs, and he'll get a sizeable contract. But if salary has to be dumped, his isn't the worst contract to go. Let's chill and see where the chips fall. Another forward will be added. We just don't know how it's going to piece together yet.




    ^All of this!

     

    PS. I really didn't like Nathan's attitude allot of the time after Geoff Wards dry-eraser-whiteboard instructions anyway. Real attitude problem Tongue Out

     
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    when the bruins got Horton and i might add what I felt was a tremendous trade . I really thought we were back on track. it is obvious that the kessel trade had left its scars but horton was a strong addition along with the emergence of a player i  just love none other then brad marchand- Now we lost Horton and what is available as Fa's do not excite me the least bit so as i said we are in for a tough ride.  

     
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    first off cap geek says over 5m in cap space - add savard thats 9m in cap space

     

    second of all u damn right if my veterans cannot conribute then replace them with rookies cuz allthey will be doing is waiting for their contracts to be over and get rid of them

    Fletch u serious- i mean really ur considering krug over horton- man i see u guys have not wisened up much . 

    Dennis seidenberg- will be 34 when he's a free agent mr fletch- iu can probably bet they will not  re sign him- he's a great defensive dman but in all likelihood he will not be re-signed

     

    Thornton?  write this down - he's gone! bye!

    Btw- thye cap is increasing next year- Now Fletch mabe the bruins can slip u and ur confreres a few but i might be a little to wise- no offence really but i see no attempt in understanding . keep in mind that this cap stuff is really not my forte but i do believe i have shown where yhe $ can come from

    Laso- Rask no more then 6.5 m- big max 

    horton - 6m max 

     

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    You say Rask at $6.5 and Horton at $6.0... 

    Any idea what those two numbers add up to?  You said $9m in space right.  Just using your words here...

    I can only give you the info marco, I can't make you understand it any better than I can teach a monkey algebra.

    We've done what we can here.  Ciao.

     
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       The reports had Boston trying to trade Seguin and/or Peverley, in order to free up cap space to re-sign Horton.

    As soon as Horton's agent announced that his client was not interested in coming back, they quit trying to trade either player.

    BOSTON WANTED HORTON...HORTON DIDN'T WANT BOSTON.

     
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    first off cap geek says over 5m in cap space - add savard thats 9m in cap space

     

     

    second of all u damn right if my veterans cannot conribute then replace them with rookies cuz allthey will be doing is waiting for their contracts to be over and get rid of them

    Fletch u serious- i mean really ur considering krug over horton- man i see u guys have not wisened up much . 

    Dennis seidenberg- will be 34 when he's a free agent mr fletch- iu can probably bet they will not  re sign him- he's a great defensive dman but in all likelihood he will not be re-signed

     

    Thornton?  write this down - he's gone! bye!

    Btw- thye cap is increasing next year- Now Fletch mabe the bruins can slip u and ur confreres a few but i might be a little to wise- no offence really but i see no attempt in understanding . keep in mind that this cap stuff is really not my forte but i do believe i have shown where yhe $ can come from

    Laso- Rask no more then 6.5 m- big max 

    horton - 6m max 

     



    You say Rask at $6.5 and Horton at $6.0... 

    Any idea what those two numbers add up to?  You said $9m in space right.  Just using your words here...

    I can only give you the info marco, I can't make you understand it any better than I can teach a monkey algebra.

    We've done what we can here.  Ciao.




    the monkey is u - read the whole thing silly- man are u a regular on this - tell me it ain't so thats 9m genious and how about the buyouts which i have told u repeatedly- only with Pev buyout that is now  over 12m with kelly buyout over 15m 

    andone more thing genius- Those are maximums - u may get horton at between 5 and 5.5 (especially if it is long term)and Rask too-  

    if u think i am going to calculate evrything for u - u might as wll be dealing with monkeys

    one more thing since it is so glorious to play for the bruins why not ask both Rask and Horton to take a paycut

    Oh also Fletch  (i am really trying to keep nice but u make it hard ) - that line about giving rookies to Julien - well poor quenneville getting these rookies and sophmores from Bowman the nerve of him - all they did was win a cup with them

     

 
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     i do have to compliment u on the image- pretty cool

     



    first off cap geek says over 5m in cap space - add savard thats 9m in cap space

     

     

    second of all u damn right if my veterans cannot conribute then replace them with rookies cuz allthey will be doing is waiting for their contracts to be over and get rid of them

    Fletch u serious- i mean really ur considering krug over horton- man i see u guys have not wisened up much . 

    Dennis seidenberg- will be 34 when he's a free agent mr fletch- iu can probably bet they will not  re sign him- he's a great defensive dman but in all likelihood he will not be re-signed

     

    Thornton?  write this down - he's gone! bye!

    Btw- thye cap is increasing next year- Now Fletch mabe the bruins can slip u and ur confreres a few but i might be a little to wise- no offence really but i see no attempt in understanding . keep in mind that this cap stuff is really not my forte but i do believe i have shown where yhe $ can come from

    Laso- Rask no more then 6.5 m- big max 

    horton - 6m max 

     



    You say Rask at $6.5 and Horton at $6.0... 

    Any idea what those two numbers add up to?  You said $9m in space right.  Just using your words here...

    I can only give you the info marco, I can't make you understand it any better than I can teach a monkey algebra.

    We've done what we can here.  Ciao.




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    I'm done with Marco as well. Appearently it's as easy as putting people on LTIR (like Savard right?) or buying contracts out. PC was willinmg to gamble on Bergeron due to him being a far superior player and more time in between head shots. Ok, now i'm done.

     
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    Horton:  I love me jobs with the Bs but me hockey years a numbered.  So I look to the five year fix then say I want to play another SCF, sound familar?  I am a huge Horton supporter, he scores in the playoffs.  I am also a capitalist.  So is Horton.  PC is a capitalist with a budget.  End of the subject.  Too bad Horton could have made money in endorsements in the years to come, something agents do not engage in when talking contracts.  Shades of Johnny Damon!  

    Don't judge me monkey!

     
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    I'm done with Marco as well. Appearently it's as easy as putting people on LTIR (like Savard right?) or buying contracts out. PC was willinmg to gamble on Bergeron due to him being a far superior player and more time in between head shots. Ok, now i'm done.



    Kelvan we will talk in the playoffs- u nor I are done but the bruins might jst be for a long while now just watch and observe-

    buddy u missed the point - if the bruins wanted to sign Horton they would have

     
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    One thread was enough for me to put cactus Marco on ignore. What a moron.


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    winthecup and marco are the same poster.  One is already banned, the other is about to be.

     
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    Hey Marco, are you the same guy who used to post here a couple of seasons back? Not important, I just wonder where you went.


    "wow,check out all of the losers in here......"

    -Gerry Dee
     



    Proven it was the same Marco by the thread he started to call me out.

     
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    Re: should have signed Horton

    Anyone else suspect that the "no buyouts" policy for Chiarelli is because he'd gotten enough interest in trying to trade Peverley that he won't lose him for nothing?

    As for Horton, yes it would be possible for the Bruins to sign him for something like $5M; and maybe it could still happen.  However, it would mean drastically altering either the defense or the lower half of the forwards.  Remember how frustrating it was when the Bruins weren't getting any production out of those lines?  This is a team that thrives on depth, and it becomes a huge gamble to maintain it with Horton getting a big contract.

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    Anyone else suspect that the "no buyouts" policy for Chiarelli is because he'd gotten enough interest in trying to trade Peverley that he won't lose him for nothing?

    As for Horton, yes it would be possible for the Bruins to sign him for something like $5M; and maybe it could still happen.  However, it would mean drastically altering either the defense or the lower half of the forwards.  Remember how frustrating it was when the Bruins weren't getting any production out of those lines?  This is a team that thrives on depth, and it becomes a huge gamble to maintain it with Horton getting a big contract.

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    i do agree that he can sign for about 5m - not sure that it would change drastically the team- might mean onlly losing a Pev

     
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    Re: should have signed Horton

    PC undoubtedly went through layers of thinking.  Consequently so did Horton and his agent.  Something on the order of:

    1.  PC: I need to rid cap space. Lesser of players first.

    2.  NHL Teams: to early to take on Peverly, Kelly, or McQuaid salaries.

    3.  Horton et al:  Why should we take a hometown discount with Seguin getting a huge raise for being a party boy non excellance. 

    4.  PC: The Bs cannot offer you 6 million as we need to rid cap $ with Rask asking for 7 million.

    5.  PC:  Bergeron needs to be offered an extention now as the cap goes up significantly next year. Sends a message to other players especially Seguin.

    6.  Horton et al: Free agency is the only option.

    7.  PC: wtfarckle Seguin is killing me.

    8.  NHL teams: King's ransom for Seguin??

    9. PC:  Public admonishment of Seguin out of frustration

    10.  PC: right winger and a Seguin trade gets Lacavalier and a draft pick.  

    11.  Horton et al: If Seguin is traded, Horton is in the mix.

    12.  PC: You can never go home again Nathan.

    It has to be a big trade or dump the lessers for nothing.   

    There is no best case scenario really.   

    Don't judge me monkey!

     
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    In response to DrCC's comment:

    Anyone else suspect that the "no buyouts" policy for Chiarelli is because he'd gotten enough interest in trying to trade Peverley that he won't lose him for nothing?

     

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    Absolutely it's a technique and good point. With any player, why wouldn't you say that you're keeping him, then try to shop their contract around so you don't lose them for nothing? I bet Vinny would have been picked up under his current contract if Yzerman had his wits about him. Same with Peverly or Kelly for that matter considering their average-sized contracts. SOMEONE will always over-pay, and might as well get a bag of pucks in return, not cost your GM cash and save the buyout for the extreme cases.

     
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