Skating Clowns At A New Level

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    Thats my argument Bs. Especially with whats happened to some of the enforcers (Boogard,Belak etc..) they had to do something. I'm not sure the NHL wants fighting eliminated from the game, their is still a strong contigent of fans who beleive it's a big part of the game, especially up north.
    As for the visors, I understand why the NHL is doing it, I just think it should be up to the individual.

     

     

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    Not wearing a visor is stupid.  The players are too stupid to recognize this so they had to mandate it.

     

     

     

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    Grown men can decide for themselves what's good for them. I never wore a shield because the loss of peripheral vision seemed much more dangerous. I also know there were very few concussions or eye injuries in the helmetless NHL that I grew up watching. Now high sticks and head shots occur on an almost nightly basis. 

     

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    Dez, well said. Grown men should make their own decisions, but we live in a Nanny State. We just love to tell everyone else how to behave, just don't tell me! :-)

     

    I tend to agree with you about the helmet-less era. I don't know if we can prove what you said, but I think that it is true. The reason I do is the 'escalation principle' as I like to call it. No matter what you do to protect yourself, someone will find a way to break it. Get bullet proof vests, and someone makes armour piercing bullets. Put a helmet on, and someone will wack you over the head with a stick. Guys start to think because they have a helmet on they are indestructible, hence more catastrophic injuries than 40 or 50 years ago. Can I prove it, no. But one thing we do know for sure, helmets have not stopped head injuries. It might have prevented a few, but the overall +- is not good. Ban the freaking things.  

     

     

     

     
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    Dez, shields weren't used in those days - look at the list I posted. Since shields came into more common use it does not appear that shields restrict high end players from still being high end players. The fact a player could win the Art Ross both with and without a shield (St. Louis) seems to put a bit of a lie to how much some people claim it inhibits vision and ability. It's not about pictures. It's about the reality of how it impacts ability. At least on the high end, it seems to be a non-factor.

     



    Of course they were. Bourque and Gretzky came into the league in 1979. One chose to wear a visor. The other didn't. Was there ever a player with better vision than Gretzky? How about Lemieux? If visors didn't affect vision then players wouldn't spend half of the games wiping them off and pushing them up above their eyes. Watch any junior game and you see players with visors that look like they're on the tops of their heads. Wearing visors should remain a preference, not a rule. The fact that players have had success wearing them shouldn't change that. I've played under both circumstances so no amount of pics or opinions will trump my own.

     

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    Like so many things on here, a "valid point"  gets argued simply by someones upside down  belief that they're still entitled to a different opinion.

    Nas's picture collage makes a great point, but is irrelevant to the real issue.  It doesn't end the discussion, it merely derails it.  The point is, visors, to some people are more uncomfortable than others, and that perception of discomfort,  they believe will impact their game.  When an athlete(or anyone else for that matter)considers anything a "distraction", they're virtually always right.

    That should be a very understandable thing.  Some players take months to get used to any new piece of equipment, while others don't, and while it's crazy, the culture considers face and eye protection at the bottom of the list.  Not 1 NHL player would consider playing an entire season without any piece of his regular equipment.

    I'm a big believer in personal choice, as long as it only has ramifications for the person making that choice.

    On the flip side though...there's something really strange going on here.  Like seatbelts, or assorted other potentially uncomfortable devices, it would seem to me, the only people that should be complaing, or balking....are those that at one time, didn't have to comply.  We went through this with helmets...all the same excuses.  I can understand that.  But how long has it been since kids grew up playing with cages, and they have them from the cradle till they turn pro.  Seems to me a mandatory visor is a huge improvement to all those perceived problems, they dealt successfully with for years.

     

     
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    I wish they'd just eliminate all of the total BS that drags the sport down.  Example:  Post whistle scrums are so annoying.  Bunch of guys get together, face wash here, face wash there, angry looks and words are exchanged, no penalties, back to the dot.

    Imagine if they just started calling everyone for 2 minutes for delay of game or roughing every time that happened.  It would end quickly...and the game would remain the same. 

    Review the heck out of the divers, starting with these pathetic goalies.  Guy gets bumped and he thinks he's JFK.  What's worse, he stays down.  Dude, you wear the most protective gear on the ice.  You could get pushed out of a sixth storey window and you'd be unscratched.

    They are already addressing the goalie gear.  I heard on the radio that Kay Whitmore is going to be stopping into random arenas with less than 10 minutes left in the third period and meeting the random goalies as they come off the ice.  He's going to take their gear and measure it, not allowing the trainer time to make the switch and burn the bad pads.  Big step in the right direction here, but more is needed.

    Get rid of all goons.  Your fight total has to at least equal your point total or you get suspended for 10 games for conduct unrelated to hockey.  Problem solved.

    Stop making fans crazy with pointless stats.  How many people here go bananas about the powerplay, despite it's basic irrelevance to the success of the team?  Most!

    Six outdoor games is so gross.  One a year was getting to be too much.  Talk about too much of a good thing.  When they announced that, I felt like the kid in the candy store that just wolfed an entire jar of gummy worms which was following an entire jar of Whoppers which was following an entire jar of lik-m-aid.  Sick.

    (lik-m-aid rules)

    Release the old games!  You know there is a vault somewhere that has all of the NHL games ever recorded.  Put them online.  I don't care what the cost would be.  I'm sick of pretending like I know what I'm talking about because Dit Clapper rules on What If Sports.  I'm also sick of Red referencing Frank Brimsek as if she used to watch him play nightly.  Let us see the tapes!

     



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    Dez, shields weren't used in those days - look at the list I posted. Since shields came into more common use it does not appear that shields restrict high end players from still being high end players. The fact a player could win the Art Ross both with and without a shield (St. Louis) seems to put a bit of a lie to how much some people claim it inhibits vision and ability. It's not about pictures. It's about the reality of how it impacts ability. At least on the high end, it seems to be a non-factor.

     



    Of course they were. Bourque and Gretzky came into the league in 1979. One chose to wear a visor. The other didn't. Was there ever a player with better vision than Gretzky? How about Lemieux? If visors didn't affect vision then players wouldn't spend half of the games wiping them off and pushing them up above their eyes. Watch any junior game and you see players with visors that look like they're on the tops of their heads. Wearing visors should remain a preference, not a rule. The fact that players have had success wearing them shouldn't change that. I've played under both circumstances so no amount of pics or opinions will trump my own.

     

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    I agree with you Dez.   I understand they want this but i think its a totally different then when they made helmets mandatory.   the more visors the less respect there will be with high sticking.  Once helmets went on every player concusions went up with it.  I think you let a player decide on visors or not.  Most tend to switch if they have a close encounter.  

     
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    Has some sort of official reason for the visor mandate been given?  If not, I suspect it may be insurance driven as much as anything else.

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    Has some sort of official reason for the visor mandate been given?  If not, I suspect it may be insurance driven as much as anything else.

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    Insurance is a valid point.  

     
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    Has some sort of official reason for the visor mandate been given?  If not, I suspect it may be insurance driven as much as anything else.

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    It's for protection against stick swinging thugs like Kessel.

     
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    Has some sort of official reason for the visor mandate been given?  If not, I suspect it may be insurance driven as much as anything else.

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    It's for protection against stick swinging thugs like Kessel.

     

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    They didnt take away shin pads did they?  is scott injured?  Kessel is an allstar.  Scott is a bumb.  If scott went after any star player on any team i would hope they do the same thing to this idiot.  

     
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    That Gretzky didn't wear a shield is irrelevant.  The discussion became whether or not one could be successful with a shield. 

    The answer is:  Yes.

    Therefore, there is no reason for Player A not to wear one.

     
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    That Gretzky didn't wear a shield is irrelevant.  The discussion became whether or not one could be successful with a shield. 

    The answer is:  Yes.

    Therefore, there is no reason for Player A not to wear one.



    why are you against choice.  Most of the elite talents wear them.  I think the player should decide.   

     
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    why are you against choice.  Most of the elite talents wear them.  I think the player should decide. 



    I really don't care one way or the other.  If guys want to continue to have broken faces, my life remains the exact same. 

    It is, however, stupid for them not to wear one.

     
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    why are you against choice.  Most of the elite talents wear them.  I think the player should decide. 

     



    I really don't care one way or the other.  If guys want to continue to have broken faces, my life remains the exact same. 

     

    It is, however, stupid for them not to wear one.

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    Ok this i agree with.  Most figure that out the hard way.  I had a hard time playing without one when i could take my visor off.  So it went back on.   I think clowns should be forced to wear no helmet.  Just those big wigs.  That way we know when the circus music comes on. Doo doo dooda doo. 

     
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    why are you against choice.  Most of the elite talents wear them.  I think the player should decide. 

     



    I really don't care one way or the other.  If guys want to continue to have broken faces, my life remains the exact same. 

     

    It is, however, stupid for them not to wear one.

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    Are you in favour of full face shields for all then? Why stop at forcing half shields on them? Broken faces happen because hockey is a tough sport. If the main concern is everybody playing safe then they should force them to all play in those inflatable sumo suits and pad the boards. I know there'd be less injuries if they switch to an orange hockey ball instead of that stupidly hard puck.

     
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    why are you against choice.  Most of the elite talents wear them.  I think the player should decide. 

     

     



    I really don't care one way or the other.  If guys want to continue to have broken faces, my life remains the exact same. 

     

     

    It is, however, stupid for them not to wear one.

     

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    Are you in favour of full face shields for all then? Why stop at forcing half shields on them? Broken faces happen because hockey is a tough sport. If the main concern is everybody playing safe then they should force them to all play in those inflatable sumo suits and pad the boards. I know there'd be less injuries if they switch to an orange hockey ball instead of that stupidly hard puck.

     

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    Say what you want Dez, but that orange ball hitting you on a cold day kind of hurts.

     
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    why are you against choice.  Most of the elite talents wear them.  I think the player should decide. 

     

     

     



    I really don't care one way or the other.  If guys want to continue to have broken faces, my life remains the exact same. 

     

     

     

    It is, however, stupid for them not to wear one.

     

     

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    Are you in favour of full face shields for all then? Why stop at forcing half shields on them? Broken faces happen because hockey is a tough sport. If the main concern is everybody playing safe then they should force them to all play in those inflatable sumo suits and pad the boards. I know there'd be less injuries if they switch to an orange hockey ball instead of that stupidly hard puck.

     

     

     

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    Say what you want Dez, but that orange ball hitting you on a cold day kind of hurts.

     

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    If I didn't know better Kel I'd think you were egging me on. Wink

     

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