Re: Skating Clowns for Sale!
posted at 7/1/2011 10:29 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Skating Clowns for Sale!
In Response to Re: Skating Clowns for Sale! : It's really funny you would say this. I won't give you my opinion on whether Thornton intimidated the Canucks or whether his honorable nature has value to the Bruins, but I will give you a snippet from Kerry Fraser's article on TSN, which I think is extremely telling. For those of you who don't know who Kerry Fraser is, he is a ref who called nearly 2000 regular season and 300 playoff games, and retired in 09-10 after 37 years as a member of the NHL refs association. Here's what he thinks of Shawn Thornton, whether he intimidates (even in the Cup Final), and whether Thornton has a role to play: "With about 12 minutes in Game 3 remaining, Shawn Thornton was sent to the showers in a game management decision by the referee. At the time, I didn't think it wise to send this Boston policeman to the showers . Hostilities actually increased once Thornton was gone and the fear of the 500-pound gorilla being let out of his cage no longer existed. Shawn knows his role but is also an honourable guy that will work with the officials. Once again it's about feeling the pulse of the game and keeping the temperature around 98.7. Shawn Thornton would have been an asset that I would have utilized to the advantage of the game and solicited his cooperation if possible. In the end he might have gotten to the shower first but not with 12 minutes remaining." Just from this passage, I would believe that after "soliciting his cooperation" a ref might be more leniant towards aggressive actions by that player's team in the future -- a benefit to the team. I'd also think that the player could use that same ability to protect his teammates and prevent the other team from taking runs at our stars.
Posted by dc-bruins-fan
Good stuff DC. What most here are saying about "skating clowns" is true. 2 things though, ST isn't one of them, and 2. anyone thinking the clowns could be done forever hasn't learned much about how pro sport operates. "Forever", is about 20 games. Paying anything much for goalies, "forever" went out the door last year about this time. We see how long that lasted.
Skating clowns are the result of manic team executives trying to one up each other, and I agree they have no real value. They've been in and out of vogue several times since the 60's. Currently, they seem to posses less overall hockey skill than ever, and the architects of the game appear to be tiring of them.
Again. But for how long?
Back to Thorton. The two camps here, either credit ST's cup final contribution as being huge, or minimal. Both are entitled to their opinion, but neither is the result of much substance.
Here are the facts. A team of just highly skilled players is not enough to guarantee success. In fact, in todays cap era, no team can even afford a full lineup of highly skilled players.
"Skill", is generally interpreted as a gift, more of the offensive variety, than the defensive.
After a teams core is signed, so are the available parts a team can afford to complete the process. To objectively debate a players worth, one must compare at pay scale.
Now my opinion. Sean Thorton is a valuable cog in the Spoked B wheel.
Why? Several reasons. I know how important "chemistry" is. I know it means many different things, and if management and teamates, say he's an important piece...I believe them. I have no substancial information from which to argue.
Two. He accounts for about 1/80th of the team payroll. Don't most here realize how small 1/80th really is, and how little one needs to contribute to easily over deliver? He just completed a year in which his contributions can easily be calculated to show his pay is a bargain(812 cap hit) compared to most comparitively paid NHLers(less those with entry deals)........and finally, I truly believe there are 29 other GM's out there, who today....in a moments notice,.... would sign Sean Thorton for 800 grand next year....
If they only could.
Finally, for those that would argue "he's taking away ice time from younger players with more potential upside".
He doesn't decide that. Management does, and when they decide to play him, they're indirectly telling the younger guys, that in some way he's earned it, and if they want in, they're gonna have to claw their way in.
Competition. That's what you teach young pro's. No entitlement.