Re: Souray vs Wiz
posted at 11/7/2011 3:34 PM EST
In Response to Re: Souray vs Wiz
BsL, Coming into the year was Souray supposed to be on the better team. suspension means nothing. Stay with the argument. 1. Souray with out pt Wiz if healthy 2. Souray if healthy is come back player of the year. You guys keep twisting it. I'm having fun with this. No different than the Torres debate. Who thought Souray would return to his former self? Dez gets credit b/c I believe he said it was a good pickup. ADK- I lose a lot of arguments on here and take my medicine and usually admit it(do you?).Love talking hockey 1st. This is in fun. I am competitive by nature. Anything wrong with that? To be honest I didnt think Souray would be a 20 minute dman and be 3rd in dmen scoring. He is making me look good for starting a thread about him.
Posted by shuperman
Am entering this discussion late and haven't taken the time to read every comment, so please forgive if I'm repeating points that have already been made. A couple of things:
1) - When I saw Souray skate for Hershey last year, he was stunningly bad. A shadow of his former self - I thought he was done, fini, career over. He showed literally none of the skills, attributes or attitude that he'd used throughout his NHL career. True, it was only one AHL game, on the road (at Manchester), and any player can look bad on a given night in any league, but Souray appeared totally disengaged, playing to not get hurt, etc.
2) - Obviously Souray worked hard this summer, getting his mind and body in NHL condition one more time. Neither Souray nor Wiz have the kind of talent where they're going to carry a team by themselves, but give either of 'em a complement of talented forwards on a power play, you can pretty much wind them up, turn 'em loose and watch the points add up. Who will get more points? My guess is Wiz, but only because inevitably Souray will get himself nicked up and miss some games.
3) - Regardless of offensive prowess, Wiz is truly atrocious defensively (I haven't checked his career plus/minus, but I'm pretty sure he's a confirmed minus man). Though this may be off the main point here, I know I wouldn't want Wiz, especially at the overpaid amount Columbus invested in him. Would much prefer Souray for less money and a shorter term than risking all that long-term cap space on the much traveled Wiz. There are reasons Wiz has played for so many organizations, and while Souray has also, Dallas' risk factor is much lower than Columbus'.
EDIT add-on - Just checked their career stats:
Wiz: GP 335 Pts. 152 +/- 0
Souray: GP 663 Pts. 274 +/- -42
Which I guess makes Souray's defense "atrocious" too (and doesn't change my opinion of Wiz' defensive proclivities), but I'd still prefer Souray for less money and shorter contract.